LOL, that's exactly why I'm not off the MP at this point myself...!
Try some magnesium too, per Dr. D.

Luck!

I see a lot of comments about gatorade use to offset sides here.

Seems like a very odd choice to me -- why use gatorade rather than a lot of "half and half" salt (sodium/potassium) plus taurine along with a calcium/magnesium supplement?

Increasing your intake of fructose via the gatorade content when trying to lean out seems highly contraindicated?

Originally Posted by Malek256

I see a lot of comments about gatorade use to offset sides here.

Seems like a very odd choice to me -- why use gatorade rather than a lot of "half and half" salt (sodium/potassium) plus taurine along with a calcium/magnesium supplement?

Increasing your intake of fructose via the gatorade content when trying to lean out seems highly contraindicated?

I concur. The Taurine, Mg++, and K+ supplementation should be adequate.

i don't remember this being addressed but would there be a need to cycle (i.e. one month on, one month off, etc.) MP?

the effects are cumulative, so cycling would be a waste.
JMO

Originally Posted by uhockey

I concur. The Taurine, Mg++, and K+ supplementation should be adequate.

I wish. I'm pumping myself full of all of those supplements daily and I have cramps now in my back legs, biceps, and oddly enough, my neck. Maybe I should taper down? I'm taking them 4 and 4. I might just do 3 and 3 daily.

For most persons, 6 caps daily should be plenty to achieve efficacy and keep sides modest.

Originally Posted by uhockey

For most persons, 6 caps daily should be plenty to achieve efficacy and keep sides modest.

I had to taper down to just that. I was cramping up everywhere. At six, I'm only cramping for some reason on my left forearm. Much better.

Very effective stuff as its been significant weight loss that I haven't seen since I was obese.

Originally Posted by BodyWizard

the effects are cumulative, so cycling would be a waste.
JMO

Agreed, but staggered dosing throughout does appear to have merit.

Roberto,

What do you mean staggering the dose?

Lowering and increasing the dose over weekly periods. An example would be:

Week 1: 6 caps/day
Week 2: 6 caps/day
Week 3: 3 caps/day
Week 4: 8 caps/day
Week 5: 5 caps/day
Week 6: 4 caps/day
Week 7: 4 caps/day
Week 8: 6 caps/day

However, this is purely generic and is subject to change given the oncoming of the soreness/cramps.

Originally Posted by Robboe

Lowering and increasing the dose over weekly periods. An example would be:

Week 1: 6 caps/day
Week 2: 6 caps/day
Week 3: 3 caps/day
Week 4: 8 caps/day
Week 5: 5 caps/day
Week 6: 4 caps/day
Week 7: 4 caps/day
Week 8: 6 caps/day

However, this is purely generic and is subject to change given the oncoming of the soreness/cramps.

I was going to ask on this, as I just read a study showing that TTA is retained by the body for up to 6 weeks post-dosing. So a frontload and then maintanence dose should be fine, no?

I'm not sure i've read that one. ANy chance of a link-me-up?

The compound does become encorporated into your cells though, so i would fully imagine a reasonably long residual effect. I actually guessed 3-4 weeks based on my own experience but something more solid would be great for the referenced write-up.

Anyhoo, for best effects, i'd still say dose daily for the duration of the cycle. The 6 weeks residual duration may be barely any in your system.

Originally Posted by Robboe

I'm not sure i've read that one. ANy chance of a link-me-up?

The compound does become encorporated into your cells though, so i would fully imagine a reasonably long residual effect. I actually guessed 3-4 weeks based on my own experience but something more solid would be great for the referenced write-up.

Anyhoo, for best effects, i'd still say dose daily for the duration of the cycle. The 6 weeks residual duration may be barely any in your system.

I feel alittle embarrased, I think I definately jumped the gun with this study. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...484&query_hl=1 Its very specific, however it does show trace amounts up to 6 weeks post-dosing. Looking back on it I dunno if its evidence enough to include in a writeup. But its something.

Still cool though.

I'd still take daily dosing BTW.

Originally Posted by Robboe

I'm not sure i've read that one. ANy chance of a link-me-up?

The compound does become encorporated into your cells though, so i would fully imagine a reasonably long residual effect. I actually guessed 3-4 weeks based on my own experience but something more solid would be great for the referenced write-up.

Anyhoo, for best effects, i'd still say dose daily for the duration of the cycle. The 6 weeks residual duration may be barely any in your system.

Would this mean if you came off MP and say a week later starter a cycle you may not grow because cals are bein ate up? Honestly this happened to me. Came of MP which was badass . Bout a week later went on for about 5 weeks and didnt gain a damn thing, Diet and training were perfect. now i mean i do look better but damn wtf! LOL

Really?

During my first MP cycle, i dieted on it for 4 weeks, got lean, then stepped right back into bulking calories. Went up like 6lbs or so but didn't gain any fat.

I thought it was tremendous!

If you were running a cycle, you shoulda nailed the calories more.

Originally Posted by 3clipseGT

Would this mean if you came off MP and say a week later starter a cycle you may not grow because cals are bein ate up? Honestly this happened to me. Came of MP which was badass . Bout a week later went on for about 5 weeks and didnt gain a damn thing, Diet and training were perfect. now i mean i do look better but damn wtf! LOL

You didn't eat enough. Your diet may have been decent, but if you're not gaining anything at all, the simple explanation is you need to eat more food.

Originally Posted by shaorinor

You didn't eat enough. Your diet may have been decent, but if you're not gaining anything at all, the simple explanation is you need to eat more food.

Yea i was thinking the same thing, but i look back and i was eating a ton of food, lean ground beef and rice , oatmeal and eggs.. It was weird. Im not complaining tho i love MP.

Originally Posted by 3clipseGT

Would this mean if you came off MP and say a week later starter a cycle you may not grow because cals are bein ate up? Honestly this happened to me. Came of MP which was badass . Bout a week later went on for about 5 weeks and didnt gain a damn thing, Diet and training were perfect. now i mean i do look better but damn wtf! LOL

I would point out that MP takes at least 4 weeks to clear the body in any measurable fashion. Up to 6 weeks later there can be trace amounts...its quite possible that TTA was still in your body at an appreciable amount and was eating up cals.

six caps, one week now.

no cramps or lethargy.

Originally Posted by Enigma76

I would point out that MP takes at least 4 weeks to clear the body in any measurable fashion. Up to 6 weeks later there can be trace amounts...its quite possible that TTA was still in your body at an appreciable amount and was eating up cals.

Thats what i figured, but i mean if i was bulking i should have put on atleast a couple of lbs! lol

Oh well we shall see what happens next as im on MP with m-tren and prostan. Then on to a bulker.

6'3''
220lbs
8 caps a day

just started this week..no loss yet..we'll see....

6'2"
219lbs
6 caps/ day

I am running a log at M&F.com. Would any of the admins/mods mind if I linked it here Or would that be a problem.

jecko

Originally Posted by 3clipseGT

Thats what i figured, but i mean if i was bulking i should have put on atleast a couple of lbs! lol

Oh well we shall see what happens next as im on MP with m-tren and prostan. Then on to a bulker.

What is "m-tren"?

Originally Posted by jecko29

6'2"
219lbs
6 caps/ day

I am running a log at M&F.com. Would any of the admins/mods mind if I linked it here Or would that be a problem.

jecko

That wouldn't really be fair.

Why not start a new thread and mirror the updates you make there, here.

5' 11"

185 lbs

6 caps week 1
8 caps week 2
8 caps week 3

Halfway through 3rd week I was hit with vicious doms in lower body, calves, hams, glutes + lower back

It's still here 4 days later, been down to 4 caps since it started. Taking hydration salts and taurine but it ain't getting any better. Think I'll skip it for a couple of days, use sesathin as a bridge and then start back at 6 caps.

I've realised the hydration salts have no Mg, just sodium chloride, potassium chloride, sodium citrate. I'll get myself some ca-mg supp later.

Caffeine intake has been very high with basic cuts and C2 included as well as 5-6 cups coffee daily. I've cut this out incase it was increasing dehydration.

Fat loss is excellent though.

Fair enough, I'll do that

jecko

Originally Posted by Robboe

That wouldn't really be fair.

Why not start a new thread and mirror the updates you make there, here.

I've been taking 5 caps in the morning and 5 caps at night
no cramps whatsoever

but maybe because I'm not working out at all ?

I'm just lounging around because of a broken leg.
cheers

Possibly. They'll hit you eventually i'll bet.

Are you eating in calorie deficit?