[Poobah]

Like everyone else I'm very interested in everyones feed back on the effectiveness of Melting Point.. However syphoning though all the posts tends to get a bit confusing at times... and it's hard to keep track of Positive vs. Negative feed back.

So I thought, why not have simple poll?

And please vote 6 if you haven't actually tried it. Also If you can post basic information about your diet, or any other supps you were taking it would certainly be useful. I.e. I ate at maintenance level with no real change to my diet.

Peace.

[Madhops]

Originally Posted by Poobah

Like everyone else I'm very interested in everyones feed back on the effectiveness of Melting Point.. However syphoning though all the posts tends to get a bit confusing at times... and it's hard to keep track of Positive vs. Negative feed back.

So I thought, why not have simple poll?

And please vote 6 if you haven't actually tried it. Also If you can post basic information about your diet, or any other supps you were taking it would certainly be useful. I.e. I ate at maintenance level with no real change to my diet.

Peace.

I have been on MP for 15 days now, it has worked pretty well for me as I have dropped 3.5lbs in that time frame. My waist is down about.75in, and I look leaner around the middle in the mirror. My diet has been just under maintence, which for me is about 2900-3000 cals. I have kept my usual lifting rountine, and one day of cardio a week.

[Robboe]

Originally Posted by Poobah

And please vote 6 if you haven't actually tried it. Also If you can post basic information about your diet, or any other supps you were taking it would certainly be useful. I.e. I ate at maintenance level with no real change to my diet.

Why not just click the "view poll results" link on the right-hand side? If they vote 6 to view the results, they won't be able to come back later when they have tried MP to re-cast their votes.

[Robboe]

P.S. I voted for "Solid product, Metabolism is definately kicked up a notch."

While i will likely use this product for every future cut here on in, i can't say whether the impact was "huge" because i didn't really use it for a "cut". For mild recomping over short periods of time i thought it was awesome though.

[ironfiend54]

posted originally at Avant:
Feedback on Melting point at the 2 week point
Age-23
Ht-5'9
Weight-171lbs between 13.9-15.8(Tanita)
Diet: Poor for the first week of use(4th of july which was also my birthday...umerous parties...some drinking) . Diet during second week has been better, but nowhere near optimal.I am currently working 2-3 jobs 1 being 40+ hrs of landscaping/week. This has hidered opportunities to eat since we rarely have a lunchbreak. Calories have been from 1000-sometimes approaching 2000.
Training- Conjugated periodization usually. Since work has started its been 1-2 days a week, mostly upper body stuff . With work I get in at least 3miles of walking a day while mowing lawns. I also end up wheeling topsoil , mulch and rock quite often as well as planting an moving trees and flowers.
Supplements - 2 weeks ago was supposed to start the 2nd phase of my cutting cycle. I am currently on HEAT 2x/day, sesathin-2-3 servings day sesalean occassionally, Lean Xtreme 3 caps/day, Melting Point 4 x day

Anectdotal-
1. I also experience fish oil burps after usage
2. I have been getting constant cramps recently. Not sure if this is 2nd to dehydration and the heat i've been working in but I doubt it since this is my 3rd month on the job. I've been experiencing extreme fatigue and soreness as well. I know this is a side effect of fibrates so it has me pointing to melting point.
3. appetite is way up
4. I have noticed no changes in leanness whatsoever
5. seems like no body temp increase ether
6.Libido is down
7. I must preface this by saying I have great faith in DS , and support them wholly as a company, but I am widely dissapointed thus far in this product.I had great hopes for this to stack helping me breeze in to low bodyfat but so far not close ..in fact I looked better in my first 4 weeks of dieting. I guess I'll hold out, but if the muscle pain continues...I doubt it. The side effect part rather boggles me that if this is a dosage where I can experience side effects..then why no benefits.

[BodyWizard]

1 - fish-oil burps from MP? I'm not even getting fish-oil burps from fish oil!
2 - no cramps
3 - no increase in appetite
4 - eye of the beholder
5 - are you *sure* you're taking MP?
6 - libido?

- please be more clear about your supplementation.
- I wouldn't trust a Tanita scale to provide accurate or consistent BF readings.
- is the weight you posted you initial weight? your current weight? please be more clear about the data you're posting.

Honestly, I find your story difficult to credit; for one thing, your calories are extremely low for someone doing the kind of work you're describing in summer heat; even so, I can't imagine that you have any bodyfat on you at all given the supps you take, the work you do & how little you eat. Hell, I'm surprised you're not in hospital.

Not trying to bust your chops - just sayin'...maybe you could expand on it for me.

[ironfiend54]

Your skepticism is justified so I won't take it the wrong way.

I will say though that I am not a newbie, I've been around the block a bit
so I do have a pretty good grasp of what I'm doing. Also, I know this is not the typical controlled feedback everyone is seeking. It not a double blind placebo experiment in a lab setting, nor is there even a daily log of calories . This is just feedback on how its been working in my particular setting.

1.Yes fish oil burps...I noticed one morning after i took it. I was quite surprised, considering I haven't been taking F.O.

2.yes cramps...I've been cramping horribly in my calves, I also notice abnormal pain in my hips..lik a strong fatigue

3. since startng MP i've been ravenous..so if you haven't experienced this effect..more power to ya...I however have been ery hungry. I also believe Rob mentioned this as a side effect. Sesathinhas this effect for man as well..since they both work on PPAR Alpha ...maybe theres a coincedence..who knows?

4. Correct...waist measurement is the same...girlfriend notices no real noticable changes in leanness either.

5. I don't really get why the attitude here BW? I am not a moron.Uness there's similar issues with MP as there was with my RXT...the yes I AM CERTAIN IT'S MP

6. libido...sex drive...its down...not castrated by any means..but the drive isn't there like usual.

7. I don't find this story hard to credit. I've been workin like this since I graduated in mid May. I started at 187lbs and am down to 171(hi that weight 2 weeks ago before starting MP). The initial loss was about 6-7lbs of water as I restricted carbs, and began the strenuous job. I refeed every Sunday for 6 hours. My calorie level is true. no I am not in the hospital, due to my last semester of school I stated eating less and less frequently. I believe my metabolism has slowed down and my body is used to the lower intake(unfortunately). This may play a bit of part in my fat loss goals considering Leptin etc.I just know am not seeing results from at this point in time.

I mean I'm not looking to bash DS in any way...I hope this product pans out, I like those guys alot , and hell I'm in the hole 65 bucks so lets hope things look up.

Oh and you wanted me to clarify my supplemenation so here you are :

Lean Xtreme- 2 caps first thing in he morn, 1 at night before bed
Heat- 3 cap fist thing in the AM , 3 more in the late Afternoon
Sesathin-1 serving in the am, 1 with dinner, sometmes 1 with pre bed pro shake.
MP- 2 caps in th AM...2 caps before bed
I also used lipo ultra for week one- Felt it was best to hold off til MP kicked in and I got leaner.

As far as diet goes- I am almost alwas at 50-10 carbs for the day, Protein varies usually round 150. Fat comes from Sesalean, 95%lean beef, chicken, Enova oil ,Natty PB and lt. cream from my coffee(not that i take these every day, these are just the source it would come from).

hope that helped.

[LuckyBoy]

I've been having the horrible cramps in my calves and hamstrings while working in the heat on MP so youre not alone. And no amount of water, potassium or gatorade does much to help them and I've been working the same job for 2 1/2 years now.

[Kerruptt]

Originally Posted by ironfiend54

Your skepticism is justified so I won't take it the wrong way.

I will say though that I am not a newbie, I've been around the block a bit
so I do have a pretty good grasp of what I'm doing. Also, I know this is not the typical controlled feedback everyone is seeking. It not a double blind placebo experiment in a lab setting, nor is there even a daily log of calories . This is just feedback on how its been working in my particular setting.

1.Yes fish oil burps...I noticed one morning after i took it. I was quite surprised, considering I haven't been taking F.O.

2.yes cramps...I've been cramping horribly in my calves, I also notice abnormal pain in my hips..lik a strong fatigue

3. since startng MP i've been ravenous..so if you haven't experienced this effect..more power to ya...I however have been ery hungry. I also believe Rob mentioned this as a side effect. Sesathinhas this effect for man as well..since they both work on PPAR Alpha ...maybe theres a coincedence..who knows?

4. Correct...waist measurement is the same...girlfriend notices no real noticable changes in leanness either.

5. I don't really get why the attitude here BW? I am not a moron.Uness there's similar issues with MP as there was with my RXT...the yes I AM CERTAIN IT'S MP

6. libido...sex drive...its down...not castrated by any means..but the drive isn't there like usual.

7. I don't find this story hard to credit. I've been workin like this since I graduated in mid May. I started at 187lbs and am down to 171(hi that weight 2 weeks ago before starting MP). The initial loss was about 6-7lbs of water as I restricted carbs, and began the strenuous job. I refeed every Sunday for 6 hours. My calorie level is true. no I am not in the hospital, due to my last semester of school I stated eating less and less frequently. I believe my metabolism has slowed down and my body is used to the lower intake(unfortunately). This may play a bit of part in my fat loss goals considering Leptin etc.I just know am not seeing results from at this point in time.

I mean I'm not looking to bash DS in any way...I hope this product pans out, I like those guys alot , and hell I'm in the hole 65 bucks so lets hope things look up.

Oh and you wanted me to clarify my supplemenation so here you are :

Lean Xtreme- 2 caps first thing in he morn, 1 at night before bed
Heat- 3 cap fist thing in the AM , 3 more in the late Afternoon
Sesathin-1 serving in the am, 1 with dinner, sometmes 1 with pre bed pro shake.
MP- 2 caps in th AM...2 caps before bed
I also used lipo ultra for week one- Felt it was best to hold off til MP kicked in and I got leaner.

As far as diet goes- I am almost alwas at 50-10 carbs for the day, Protein varies usually round 150. Fat comes from Sesalean, 95%lean beef, chicken, Enova oil ,Natty PB and lt. cream from my coffee(not that i take these every day, these are just the source it would come from).

hope that helped.

I hardly know enough about fibrates to say for certain but using Sesathin + Sesalean + MP seems like PPAR-A overkill doesn't it?

Reading your issues with MP made me remember somthing:

From "Fibrates for Bodybuilders" by Spook:

Other side effects of fibrate use include muscle tissue wasting or weakness, cardiac cell death, increased appetite, and decreased testosterone synthesis. All of these are directly dose-dependent. Again, with fibrates, we have another example of how too much of a good thing can be bad. When muscle tissue is induced to burn fatty acids at excessive rates, it generally causes muscle weakness, and on the extreme end can cause cell death. However this only seems to occur if the dose is far beyond the realm of therapeutic doses.

Just a thought since that's alot of things targeting PPAR-Alpha, could be wrong.

[Grant]

Originally Posted by Kerruptt

I
From "Fibrates for Bodybuilders" by Spook:

Other side effects of fibrate use include muscle tissue wasting or weakness, cardiac cell death, increased appetite, and decreased testosterone synthesis. All of these are directly dose-dependent. Again, with fibrates, we have another example of how too much of a good thing can be bad. When muscle tissue is induced to burn fatty acids at excessive rates, it generally causes muscle weakness, and on the extreme end can cause cell death. However this only seems to occur if the dose is far beyond the realm of therapeutic doses.

Just a thought since that's alot of things targeting PPAR-Alpha, could be wrong.

DAMN, someone from DS please reply if these things could be side effects and at what dosage?

[ironfiend54]

Originally Posted by Grant

DAMN, someone from DS please reply if these things could be side effects and at what dosage?

I know that these are side effects of Fibrates...seen more often with bezafibrat which is much stronger tha lopid (comparable to seasthin).

I dunno whats in Lipidace though...and it was also adivised to take with phenogen or sesathin or a productive stack.

Really hoping things turn around...

[Robboe]

The reduced-libido aspect has been brought up on Avant already from longer-term sesathin use.

Combining full dose sesa with full dose MP may not be the best stack. I suggest some people lower their sesa down to 1 serving on training days and 2 servings on non-training days.

[Syr]

Originally Posted by ironfiend54

1.Yes fish oil burps...I noticed one morning after i took it. I was quite surprised, considering I haven't been taking F.O.

It has clearly a smell and taste of fish, so that makes sense.

[BodyWizard]

wasan't calling you out, ironfiend -
like I said, more info might help: was just trying to be clear, since I was asking you to be clear. Speaking of which - I don't really know what you're trying to say about your diet here: is that 5-10 grams of carbs each day, and 150 grams of protein?

Welcome to the conversation!

[Poobah]

Originally Posted by Robboe

Why not just click the "view poll results" link on the right-hand side? If they vote 6 to view the results, they won't be able to come back later when they have tried MP to re-cast their votes.

doh didn't know that was an option. lol

So far though, the votes look very promising... and I'm glad I caught the bit about sesathin.. I was planning on trying them both some time in the future.. I'll have to adjust my plans.. muahahhahahh MUAHAHH HAHHAHAHHAHH.