I am at six a day and I am not sold.

Originally Posted by Mr.50

I am at six a day and I am not sold.

Same here. But it MAY have contributed.
I think i should up to 8 a day.

I agree there may be some underdosing, but at that cost, it is going to get very expensive to see any outstanding results when constantly upping the dose.

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

Are you at average dosing? 4 caps?

no - sorry should of clarified that a little more - 6 caps a day.

I have been up to 8 a day for 6 days now.

Noticable increase in sweating. Fat loss is still about the same, maybe slightly higher.
I am eating more calories, and my metabolism has definitely increased.

I am still not sold. For someone like me i think that the dose would need to be even higher, maybe 12 caps.

At 4 i noticed almsot nothing

at 6 i noticed a little bit more, still not much.

at 8 caps i am noticing even more, not enough though.

does anyone else think that the dose needs to be even high than 8 caps?

you're eating more...but fat loss has stayed the same. So if you ate less, fat loss would be higher? Also, I don't remember, are you giving us scale loss or caliper loss?
Someone here was dosing 10 or a dozen.
Someone like you...what's that mean? A bigger guy? A non responder?
(I ask as a 260+ pounder with about 15%bf who's scared I might have to use a dozen a day).

Originally Posted by joe weider

you're eating more...but fat loss has stayed the same. So if you ate less, fat loss would be higher? Also, I don't remember, are you giving us scale loss or caliper loss?
Someone here was dosing 10 or a dozen.
Someone like you...what's that mean? A bigger guy? A non responder?
(I ask as a 260+ pounder with about 15%bf who's scared I might have to use a dozen a day).

A non responder

Weight lost is ~11 lbs inless than 5 weeks

some of that weight was muscle from low test levels, combiend with a ton of cardio and bad luck during pct

i weigh much less than (under 190) you at ~13% bf

I am a non responder to other proucts as well at the reccomended dosage. At 6 caps lean xtreme ED i noticed a very minute effect.

Like i said, i think that at 12 caps ED i woudl probably notice a significant increase in fat loss.

Originally Posted by jacked1

A non responder

Weight lost is ~11 lbs inless than 5 weeks

Thats not a bad weight loss at all for a non responder!

you know, I was thinking the same thing, Syr. I have to wonder why you'd use a supp like this during PCT or shortly after, when the body is already stressed? I don't pretend to know any answers, I just have questions.

I'd be very reluctant to take more than 6 per day for very long.

I suspect that my dosage messed w/ my mental clarity (or maybe it was the heat prostration)...in any event, I'd (now) go above 6 only for brief periods, and I'm inclining toward dosing as little as 3 ed (1 every 8).

a "non-responder? could just be your expectations are out of line....

Originally Posted by Syr

Thats not a bad weight loss at all for a non responder!

Anywhere from 4-7 lbs was muscle. Its tough to tell, but measurements and lifts all went down as the number on the scale got lower.

Originally Posted by jacked1

A non responder

Weight lost is ~11 lbs inless than 5 weeks

some of that weight was muscle from low test levels, combiend with a ton of cardio and bad luck during pct

i weigh much less than (under 190) you at ~13% bf

I am a non responder to other proucts as well at the reccomended dosage. At 6 caps lean xtreme ED i noticed a very minute effect.

Like i said, i think that at 12 caps ED i woudl probably notice a significant increase in fat loss.

Why were you dieting during PCT?

Also, if you were on-cycle, some of that weight loss would be water from coming off the androgen, not necessary "muscle" loss per se. Yes, it is LBM, but it is also temporary retention from using the drug.

Originally Posted by Robboe

Why were you dieting during PCT?

Also, if you were on-cycle, some of that weight loss would be water from coming off the androgen, not necessary "muscle" loss per se. Yes, it is LBM, but it is also temporary retention from using the drug.

I was trying to use MP so that i could eat more calories during pct. I was suprised that i only lost that much muscle, my test was shut down and the RXT was bunk.

After 3 weeks i started dieting.

I dont think any of the weight lost was water, i was ripped to shreds while on SD, and when coming off SD i started retaining more water.

I really am not bashing on MP at all, but for me personally, i would probably see much better resutls at 12 caps ED.

Originally Posted by BodyWizard

I'd be very reluctant to take more than 6 per day for very long.

I suspect that my dosage messed w/ my mental clarity (or maybe it was the heat prostration)...in any event, I'd (now) go above 6 only for brief periods, and I'm inclining toward dosing as little as 3 ed (1 every 8).

a "non-responder? could just be your expectations are out of line....

No i really am a non responder, i had to double the dose of LX to notice anything.

My expectations were too high, but regardless at 4 caps ED i really didn't notice much. At 8 caps it is much more noticable.

Originally Posted by jacked1

I was trying to use MP so that i could eat more calories during pct. I was suprised that i only lost that much muscle, my test was shut down and the RXT was bunk.

How long was your SD cycle?

Originally Posted by Robboe

How long was your SD cycle?

3 weeks, same as most people.


I really like the idea of using MP with Sesathing to be able to consume a lot amount of calories during pct without putting on fat.

I am on my 3rd day of MP x 8 caps/day... I'm getting cramps like mad...
These are all over my body, on my previous MP cycle I had gotten them only in my legs really. No increase in sweating. I have noticed an increase in appetite. I have noticed nothing in the way of fat loss or prevention. My last cycle was 4 weeks of Mp 4x a day(but it also included sesathin)

this is day 3 or 4 for me, I can't remember now, lol, but I'm taking 8/day too and have gotten no cramps. Mad pump though, but no cramping. I'm trying to drink a little more water, and put a little more salt on my food (not hard for me!) and drink a little gator each day.

Adding Salt and Sugar to your diet is not the answer guys.

what is?

Let's see....drinking water?


And lots of it, sugary syrup water like Gatorade is counter-productive.
Eat clean, supplement with vitamins and minerals.

And as for salt....there's a reason you're not supposed to drink ocean water when you're thirsty guys...it's the salt.
If salt was the answer, everyone who was ever stranded at sea would have been just fine.

okay. I personally am drinking about 2 gallons a day of water. I'm drinking 16 ounces or less of gator, just to get some extra potassium, and I'm also adding a little extra salt--just because I'm sweating it out plus the extra water.

day 4 of my second trial. Still waiting for results...

if you want potassium drink v8 they even sell low sodium version.
taste nothing like gatoraide but its not bad

Originally Posted by Syr

day 4 of my second trial. Still waiting for results...

day 5 and something happened. First I had more runs in the toilet (3 yesterday and 2 today), then partially due to that, waist measurements (all 3 spots) are down.
But the bad news is that i got a terrible muscle fatigue, like happened 3 weeks ago. Either Prostan or MP is the culprit. I definitely cant stand this and i'm leaving for vacations this weekend.

mmmmmhhh

I really feel for all of you that are getting the sides.

That, and the lack of results from some users thus far is very surprising to me.
I was getting great results at 6 caps a day, decided to up things to 8 to see if I would get any cramping or muscle loss.... so far my strength has actually gone up during PCT & I have yet to see any cramping.

It's unfortunate that some of you are getting the bad sides with this.

After my first full day (I've been on for a week) I stepped on the scales and was amazed to see...I'd gained 6-7 pounds!
In the next couple of days I lost half of that, and now I'm just 2 pounds over where I was when I started. Obviously, it's all water.
On the other hand, having all that extra fluid is making for great pumps!
I haven't noticed that my strength is down, but I do notice a lack of endurance. It's okay, I get nice and sore on less effort...an odd combination.
The mirror tells me I'm leaner, and it also tells me I look like ****, which is another odd combination.
I'm on 8 a day, taken over 4 doses.
Lots of heat. Worse with carbs. Like...I took my dose this morning, and nothing really for the next hour or so. Then I eat my eggs and oatmeal...and now I'm so friggin hot I can barely stand it.
But protein meals alone don't seem to do it.

Originally Posted by mmorpheuss

I really feel for all of you that are getting the sides.

I cant be 100% sure that the sides are from MP alone, but I have to stop taking it because I cant stand this. I need to train tomorrow...

Mine arrived today (i'm in the UK) gonna take 2 tommorow with breakfast as i have the day off. If i dont have any weird reaction then i'll take another two in the afternoon and then another 2 when i goto bed.

Will keep u informed, i only weigh 147lbs so i may be able to actually make it work at 4per day but we'll see how day one goes first.

I've been taking 8 a day, So far no noticable changes in recomp or fat loss...However, I have been getting very bad cramping still . Today was the worst and right now my calves are on fire and I'm having trouble standing up straight without pain. As of right now I am sorely dissapointed, it may still be too early to tell though. i know if the sides continue I will have to stop this second MP trial, it is interfering with my work and training....