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    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught
    They dropped 3.5 and 4lbs of what? This weight has to be mostly glycogen, I would think.
    In the other thread, Steve hasn't contested that. He says if he does it again next week without dietary amendment he'll be happy that it is working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught
    Actives ingredients, references and assumptions drawn from them.
    No and no to the first two. We have a company to operate and don't want copycat companies stealng the ideas that Matt has researched so much. Nor do we want online companies selling the actives in bulk, harming our sales.

    We're not the only company employing this technique - Ergo aren't releasing the active(s) of AMP either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    No and no to the first two. We have a company to operate and don't want copycat companies stealng the ideas that Matt has researched so much. Nor do we want online companies selling the actives in bulk, harming our sales.

    We're not the only company employing this technique - Ergo aren't releasing the active(s) of AMP either.
    But you still need to list the ingredients at some point, even if it's a constituent hidden in an ingredient that does the magic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught
    But you still need to list the ingredients at some point, even if it's a constituent hidden in an ingredient that does the magic.
    We have listed the ingredient - It's called LipidAce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught
    IMHO, it wasn't much of a product write-up, it was more like biology lesson.
    By the way, the reason why the write-up is not so indepth is also partly because DS has plans for general world domination, and not everyone knows the basics of biochemistry, let alone more detailed information. The write-up has to be enough to let you know how the product works, but also easy enough for the majority of readers to at least comprehend.

    Apologies for those with chemistry and physiology majors that wanted textbook-like material.
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    When is the expected ship date of the pre sale?
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    175 bottles tonight at 12:00est


    ohhh noo... hope your servers are better than the SD presales
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    MP sounds yummy. Another fine write-up Robboe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    Midnight Eastern, tonight. If you can't figure this out, no soup for you!
    Dude, c'mon... I was just trying to confuse everyone else

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanChampion
    175 bottles tonight at 12:00est


    ohhh noo... hope your servers are better than the SD presales
    So true... DS is in desperate-need of some coding-talent and hosting. That site, omg
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    So is the ship date the 15th like TP said or will it be shipped out tomorrow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    By the way, the reason why the write-up is not so indepth is also partly because DS has plans for general world domination, and not everyone knows the basics of biochemistry, let alone more detailed information. The write-up has to be enough to let you know how the product works, but also easy enough for the majority of readers to at least comprehend.

    Apologies for those with chemistry and physiology majors that wanted textbook-like material.
    Fair enough I guess, I just prefer to actually know what I'm putting in my body and prefer to see a few of the studies with my own eyes before putting my life in your hands.

    Also, I understand you don't want companies stealing Matt's hard work, but you can only hide an ingredient behind a trademark for so long (if you're listing it as LipidAce, it's going to have to be trademarked I believe).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manu20
    When is the expected ship date of the pre sale?
    Steve said 15th.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwantam
    Dude, c'mon... I was just trying to confuse everyone else

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    I know. I was just being awkward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSwede
    So true... DS is in desperate-need of some coding-talent and hosting. That site, omg
    We're a step ahead of you. The site is undergoing a major refurbishment as we speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught
    Fair enough I guess, I just prefer to actually know what I'm putting in my body and prefer to see a few of the studies with my own eyes before putting my life in your hands.

    Also, I understand you don't want companies stealing Matt's hard work, but you can only hide an ingredient behind a trademark for so long (if you're listing it as LipidAce, it's going to have to be trademarked I believe).
    More than likely, but we want a damn good head-start. You can't really argue with that.
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    Why is it not shipping until the 15th?
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    Would a PPAR-alpha agonist cause more peroxisoms to be produced?
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    Waiting for it to get back from the cappers. Hence, why it is a "pre-sale for the beta-release" lol.
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    This almost sounds like fenofibrate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrunk
    Would a PPAR-alpha agonist cause more peroxisoms to be produced?
    That is what the wrte-up told you, yes.
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    Gotcha Rob, thanks!
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    so the dose is 4 caps a day? How many caps do you get?
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    What do you think about the MEDICA-16 posts over in the Uncoupler thread, last page?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrunk
    This almost sounds like fenofibrate.
    Fibrates are basically cholesterol-corrective drugs that work by activating the PPAR-alpha. PPAR-alpha (as well as delta/beta) has control over cholesterol synthesis, so activating it results in healthy cholesterol production. It also happens to boost fat burning.

    Sesamin, found in sesathin, is a natural fibrate that also does this.

    EPA found in fish oil is also a strong activator of PPAR-alpha.

    As is LipidAce - a VERY strong activator of it. It also has all the other benefits mentioned in the write-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrownedOne
    What do you think about the MEDICA-16 posts over in the Uncoupler thread, last page?
    I can't comment.
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    ut oh, someone found it
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    Oooo...I gotcha
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    Make of that what you will, but i dunno anything about medica16 to pass comment is what i meant.
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    Does this mean that there is a mind numbing hypnotic drug in MP that will all DS to control us all and take over the world?



    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    By the way, the reason why the write-up is not so indepth is also partly because DS has plans for general world domination, and not everyone knows the basics of biochemistry, let alone more detailed information. The write-up has to be enough to let you know how the product works, but also easy enough for the majority of readers to at least comprehend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    DS has plans for general world domination
    We're Pinky, we're Pinky and the Brain..Brain..Brain..Brain..

    Can't wait to follow logs of MP users on this board! Im short on cash right now so I'll just have to wait, but on the other hand by the time I'm buying it I'll have some more real-world results and a price-drop

    Nice write-up, Robboe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by houseman
    We all want to see this product be everything that it's being touted as but you can't blame some for being concerned, can you?
    I share some of your concerns. But there's an answer: wait. Wait a bit if we want a more solid foundation of evidence to base our purchases on. I waited on my Superdrol purchase, even though I knew it was in danger of being banned.

    As for the weightloss numbers reported so far, for an initial, unofficial report without testing to back it up, it's pretty ****ing impressive. And I don't recall Matt or anyone else at DS ever saying this was a traditional uncoupler. Even though it's been called that for convenience, it's been made clear this is not something that acts in the same way DNP does.

    When all's said and done, I haven't been disappointed with a single DS product purchase, ever. And I've gotten great service from them, fast shipping, the works. There'd have to be a severe change in the way they're doing things for them to turn into another Biotest. Severe in the extreme.
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    Robboe, I have a couple of the same questions here as I did with Activate:

    1) Is there anything this SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be taken with?
    2) Should it be taken with food or on an empty stomach?
    3) Are doses spread throughout the day or is it a 1-shot deal?

    You can take your time with the answer, I'm not staying up tonight to play the MP lottery. Maybe 2nd batch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrownedOne
    What do you think about the MEDICA-16 posts over in the Uncoupler thread, last page?
    I dunno about this one. A couple studies show true uncoupling action for medica-16, and sledge has stated that there is no direct uncoupling by MP, just an increase in UCP-2.

    Twas a good find btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigma76
    I dunno about this one. A couple studies show true uncoupling action for medica-16, and sledge has stated that there is no direct uncoupling by MP, just an increase in UCP-2.

    Twas a good find btw.
    So it would be incorrect to characterize MP as an uncoupler, regardless of efficacy. I am a big fan of DS, but I was under the impression that this was a non-toxic uncoupler. I find it very hard to believe that an EFA supplement can raise metabolism by 20-30%, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigP0ppa3
    Robboe, I have a couple of the same questions here as I did with Activate:

    1) Is there anything this SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be taken with?
    2) Should it be taken with food or on an empty stomach?
    3) Are doses spread throughout the day or is it a 1-shot deal?
    I also have a question. With GXR it's pointless to use a lot, if not other similar products because the GXR is already working along the same metabolic pathway they would and far better than they can. Cinnamon for example is useless with GXR as I understand it. Are there similar situations with MP? Sethathin works in a similar way I believe. Would stacking the two be pointless or is this product a dose dependent, the more the merrier type of deal where we could expect to see some synergy with products already out there?
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    Robboe-

    let me just say that I would very much like this to work as you say...i mean I love uncouplers. I;ve taken 2 grams of UA a day for over three months at a time, so I am defiantly in the market for something "safer".

    That being said, I would be hesitant with how you guys are marketing this. True uncouplers are nothing to play with, and as we all know things can look like gold on paper, but pan out differently in real life effects or side effect wise.

    I guess I am just saying please be careful with calling it 'perfect" and "harmless" until people can post feedback on it. If for some reason some respond badly to it, it could be a real PR mess. Just like UA was supposed to kill cancer in vivro, but it killed your liver in some cases.

    As I said, I honestly would love for his to hit huge so I can go off UA, but i just want you guys to cover all your bases with the marketing and claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSwede
    Because I see a disturbing trend developing. These pseudo-abstracts attempting to mask what is nothing more than an EFA. To use the term, "uncoupler" in the traditional sense is absurd. That being said; I've got 6 bottles of LX here. I don't want to see DS turn into another Biotest.
    You clearly haven't been following the threads (on ALL the boards) about what MP is. It's out there, if you look, and dear god it looks promising.
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    Will this have any effect on thyroid or thyroid meds such as T4?
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    Good question Jodi, but I doubt it. Would like to hear an official answer also.
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