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    Robboe,


    Can you comment on MP's ability to increase exercise performance in power/endurance type sports such as boxing? Meaning will it improve the lactate threshold, level of performance that can be maintained?

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    Quote Originally Posted by houseman
    Who knows what to believe in the Supplement world these days.

    I got faith in DS but it just seems things are being rushed here. I understand people are bitching, whining and moaning for this product and if it pans out like it should... then I see the urgency to bring it out.

    But without full alpha and beta testing WITH before and after pictures along with a detailed nutritional and training log is bound to throw up some road blocks for some people as I;m sure you can imagine.

    $65 isn't a ton of money but at the same time, without some real world results, yet, it is a lot of money to some people especially when two of the reported results thus far have been 3.5 and 4lbs loss with NO change in diets, training, cardio, etc.

    We all want to see this product be everything that it's being touted as but you can't blame some for being concerned, can you?
    No, i don't blame anyone for being cynical, especially considering the hype and relative secrecy surrounding the product, but like it is noted in the foreword of the write-up, the DS decree is "True Innovation". We haven't let you down in the past, nor do we plan to start now.

    Keep the faith in DS. We're gonna be around for a damn long time to come, so don't think this is the cherry on the top.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    No, i don't blame anyone for being cynical, especially considering the hype and relative secrecy surrounding the product, but like it is noted in the foreword of the write-up, the DS decree is "True Innovation". We haven't let you down in the past, nor do we plan to start now.

    Keep the faith in DS. We're gonna be around for a damn long time to come, so don't think this is the cherry on the top.
    Oh, I got faith and that's why Steve has some PM's from me
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaynardMeek
    Please forgive me in this, if it has been said before.. should one cut back on fish oil usage while using MP.... if so.. by how much
    EPA in fish oil strongly binds to the PPAR-alpha, much like LipidAce, and much like SesaThin, so using low-dose MP during bulks you may wanna cut back on fish oil and sesathin intake.

    Otherwise gaining will be an absolute bastard - especially for ectomorphs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv8er
    I don't believe it has been mentioned, but with some of MP's positives- it sounds like it would be good to run Post SD cycle. How bout on?
    Like i said above, if you're bulking it may make weight gain difficult so you'll have to eat even more. I'm sure you'll find a way though.

    But the health benefits that MP confers definately makes this so, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50
    Robboe,


    Can you comment on MP's ability to increase exercise performance in power/endurance type sports such as boxing? Meaning will it improve the lactate threshold, level of performance that can be maintained?
    I am not aware of research regarding LipidAce and performance. Matt may have seen something though, so maybe he'll chime in and give some valued input.
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    Anyone remember what dosages Matt & Steve are (supposed to be) using?
    And, while I'm at it: any results reported by the women?

    Tonight is NOT the night to fall asleep in front of the computer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard
    Anyone remember what dosages Matt & Steve are (supposed to be) using?
    And, while I'm at it: any results reported by the women?

    Tonight is NOT the night to fall asleep in front of the computer....
    Steve is double-dose, Matt is triple-dose and Steve's wife is 2/3's dose.

    Not sure what Matt's wife is dosing. Might be 1.5 dosing i think.

    I'm doing the recommended dosing, but i'm also lowering my calories. Well, i've taken the bagels i chew on during the day out of my intake lol.
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    Has anyone reported any sides? I didn't see much in the "other" monstrosity of a thread. Forgive me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
    Has anyone reported any sides? I didn't see much in the "other" monstrosity of a thread. Forgive me...
    Nothing in the research indicates anything other than near-perfection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    Nothing in the research indicates anything other than near-perfection.
    Are you married?
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    Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
    Are you married?
    That depends.

    How much is your estate valued at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    That depends.

    How much is your estate valued at?
    I'll let you know AFTER my melting point bottles arrive.... BAHAHAHHAA!!!!

    Actually, when my parents kick... I'll be doing "well"... and I like big rocks wait a second.. i'm playing the bitch here!
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    Would you say MP isn't really the best thing for one to take if they are already lean... is this more geared for those whom have say.. over 20% body fat or so...
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    I still have some hugs lying about around here if you want one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaynardMeek
    Would you say MP isn't really the best thing for one to take if they are already lean... is this more geared for those whom have say.. over 20% body fat or so...
    It's brilliant for anyone.

    Last two weeks pre-contest prep and want to get your glutes in without removing even more calories or doing even more power walking? Add Melting Point.

    Got a 220lb relative who refuses to move or exercise? Give them Melting Point.

    You want a little help getting leaner for the beach this summer? Add in melting Point.

    Wanna bulk but maintain your level of leaness without having to worry too much about adding body fat? Bulk on a low dose of Melting Point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkAngel
    HUG FOR ME!!!
    Ok, that makes 2 along with Topolo's.

    I'm gonna run out of hugs at this rate. I only catered for three and i wasn't expecting such a rush.
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    Robboe, since you're the guinea pig for the "recommended" dose, do *YOU* have any results to share yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by not_big_enuf
    I'll let you know AFTER my melting point bottles arrive.... BAHAHAHHAA!!!!

    Actually, when my parents kick... I'll be doing "well"... and I like big rocks wait a second.. i'm playing the bitch here!
    That's right. Robboe is the pitcher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard
    Robboe, since you're the guinea pig for the "recommended" dose, do *YOU* have any results to share yet?
    Today marks my second day of use, and as much as i'd like to say i'm ripped, i am unfortunately not.

    P.s. Your eye-vatar (nice one robboe) is creepy as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    P.s. Your eye-vatar (nice one robboe) is creepy as hell.
    Thank you!
    Just doing my part to keep the thread-length down....
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    Curious... Can MP deplete glycogen levels the same way sesathin does during the first week of use? I seem to recall some discussion at Avant about going a little flat during the first week.
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    Any issues with cross-border shipping to Canada?

    I don't know why there would be but hell even SesaThin got bounced by the border enforcers now??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lean One
    Curious... Can MP deplete glycogen levels the same way sesathin does during the first week of use? I seem to recall some discussion at Avant about going a little flat during the first week.
    It's not so much that sesathin depletes glycogen, more it seems to dampen glycogen synthesis. This is typically why it is recommended to avoid sesathin during refeeds, but knock yourself out with it if you splurge or cheat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malek256
    Any issues with cross-border shipping to Canada?

    I don't know why there would be but hell even SesaThin got bounced by the border enforcers now??
    No idea, sorry. There shouldn't be, but i really dunno.
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    Since SesaThin dampens glycogen synthesis, coud you reasonably infer to avoid if in conjunction with SD? Especially for a bulk SD run, but would this impact be significant on a SD cut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malek256
    Any issues with cross-border shipping to Canada?

    I don't know why there would be but hell even SesaThin got bounced by the border enforcers now??
    I'll be letting fellow canucks know about this soon enough
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    Count me among the skeptical. It contains all of the same info that the SesaThin write-up does, so old info for a lot of us. In addition, the product write-up was done by someone who doesn't even know all of the ingredients, that just doesn't make any sense to me. IMHO, it wasn't much of a product write-up, it was more like biology lesson.

    Sorry, but I was hoping for more.
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    those numbers were really impressive, but then again, they should be costing 130 dollars and 195 dollars
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    Quote Originally Posted by italionstallion
    those numbers were really impressive, but then again, they should be costing 130 dollars and 195 dollars
    Good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magickk
    Since SesaThin dampens glycogen synthesis, coud you reasonably infer to avoid if in conjunction with SD? Especially for a bulk SD run, but would this impact be significant on a SD cut?
    The health benefits that Melting Point can offer, particularly on blood profiles, makes low dose ideal during methylated PH cycles. Just eat more for bulking.

    On a cut you should be fine. Just keep dose low when you refeed, and refeed reasonably frequently, which you should really be doing anyway.
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    And we don't know yet if that would actuall give us two and three bottles respectivly..... we assume but have not received confirmation.



    Quote Originally Posted by italionstallion
    those numbers were really impressive, but then again, they should be costing 130 dollars and 195 dollars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onslaught
    Count me among the skeptical. It contains all of the same info that the SesaThin write-up does, so old info for a lot of us. In addition, the product write-up was done by someone who doesn't even know all of the ingredients, that just doesn't make any sense to me. IMHO, it wasn't much of a product write-up, it was more like biology lesson.

    Sorry, but I was hoping for more.
    Then tell me, what would you like to know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by italionstallion
    those numbers were really impressive, but then again, they should be costing 130 dollars and 195 dollars
    I don't follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50
    And we don't know yet if that would actuall give us two and three bottles respectivly..... we assume but have not received confirmation.
    Not if doing 3 and 4 times recommended dosing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by italionstallion
    those numbers were really impressive, but then again, they should be costing 130 dollars and 195 dollars
    Right, Matt is DOUBLE dose and Steve is TRIPLE dose.

    Not that the weight loss wasn't impressive - it really truly was - but at that price you could hire Bobo and make LIFESTYLE changes rather than taking an additional 4 pills a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    I don't follow.
    If Steve is doing triple the dosing, it's costing him $65 x 3 (he'll go through it 3 times as fast).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    Actually, if i leave it to them you'll be waiting an age.

    Without changes in diet, Steve has dropped 3.5lbs this week (yes, mr non-responder himself), whereas matt has dropped 4lbs this week, also without dietary amendment.
    They dropped 3.5 and 4lbs of what? This weight has to be mostly glycogen, I would think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robboe
    Then tell me, what would you like to know?
    Actives ingredients, references and assumptions drawn from them.
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    Steve is double-dose, Matt is triple-dose.

    Most people using Melting Point will (i expect) be dieting and therefore using sub-maintenance calories. Steve and Matt are heffers, they're not trying to lose weight. They're just going about their usual eating routines, but adding MP to the fray to see what happens.

    Maintaining weight despite the calories would be nice. Actually dropping weight is awesome. To me at least.
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