Status of "Superbol"?
- 09-18-2004, 06:41 PM
- 09-18-2004, 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Designer Supps
You could have GET-U-HUGE-X (m4ohn) or something. Personally, I've always, even as bbing newb, hated looking at MuscleTech like products in which no matter how hard you look you cant find out what their active ingredients are. Grrr. I hate that.
09-18-2004, 08:44 PM
09-20-2004, 03:36 PM
So is Superbol not coming to market? As for the other methyl compound and its name it should be a bastardization of whatever steroid(s) it mimics. I assume it's a bulking compound so you could call it Superbol if we won't be seeing the original compound.
09-20-2004, 06:22 PM
09-20-2004, 07:47 PM
With the new info on the ban, i dooubt ill get superbol done, although superbol is not on any banned list, i may be able to squeak it in for a little while.
i supposse the new one could be superbol, ill think of something. it is suppossed to ship to me today, as soon as i know it is shipped ill give you guys a littel info.
09-20-2004, 07:55 PM
That's what I was thinking. The bill isn't broad enough to scratch out PH/PS for good.although superbol is not on any banned list
Plus, when it comes to the Senate getting something done on time, believe it when you see it. It sounds like the ban will happen in a matter of days or weeks... or not.
09-20-2004, 07:58 PM
you are 100% correct in my eyes. i will believe it when i see it but i still need to prepare for it slightly. i dont want to give them a heads up either, so the more i do before hand the easier it is to add them first. my guess is once it goes through it hopefully will take a little while longer to add new ones.
09-20-2004, 08:09 PM
Even though Superbol isn't on the ban list isn't there a provision that would allow them to add any chemicals at will? Balco got in trouble for designer steroids and I'm sure they were on any ban list so I think same thing would apply to phs and anyone who brings them to market. Of course I could and probably am completely wrong. I agree with the sentiments about the Senate so I guess it's just wait and see.Originally Posted by rrgg
As for the new methyl I personally like buying raw powder or even a beta solution as opposed to tabs. I'm sure others feel the same and this would allow you to bring the product to market sooner as I'm guessing the tabbing would take at least 1 week.
09-20-2004, 09:04 PM
Maybe I'm not reading the bill correctly, but I think the answer is "no."Even though Superbol isn't on the ban list isn't there a provision that would allow them to add any chemicals at will?
09-20-2004, 09:18 PM
Balco got into trouble for supplying designer steriods to professional athletes not for making it.Originally Posted by ersatz
09-20-2004, 09:36 PM
09-21-2004, 12:17 PM
Originally Posted by lancelot
yeah that is how i read it as well, although I am far from a lawyer. it is really going to come down to how the final bill is written and passed.
remember Balco was selling a designer "compound" for the purpose of performance enhancement to drug tested athletes, as well as providing a drug to cover or clean them out when being tested. i dont know how far they will be able to go with it, but i am sure when in doubt they can always go for income tax problems. i dount he was claiming unapproved drugs sales in his income tax report.
09-21-2004, 02:18 PM
"Balco got into trouble for supplying designer steriods to professional athletes not for making it."
"i dount he was claiming unapproved drugs sales in his income tax report."
True, the classic Fed approach.
It's just a twist on:
"So Mr. Capone, you're saying this $5,000,000 amount in your bank is proceeds from your laundrymat?"
"So Mr. Conte, you're saying that you sold Barry Bonds $400,000 worth of ZINC supplements in 2002?"
09-21-2004, 03:24 PM
That's what the ZMA sales are for. Money laundering! It should be very easy for Balco to pad their billing to professional athletes.
09-21-2004, 04:07 PM
Is there a law somewhere that says you can't sell things to professional athletes? As if you could make it, possess it, and sell it to "normal" people but as soon as you supply a professional athlete you've committed a crime?
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you guys.
09-21-2004, 04:14 PM
You can research whatever you want, if you're a chemist. I think when you start selling substances that clearly aren't naturally occuring, and cross the line into drug jurisdiction, and you aren't selling them as research chems, then you have a different game going on...especially once the $ is involved.
Re: Balco, The crime was committed in the supplying of performance enhancing/cloaking substances to athletes who compete in ostensibly drug-free sports with the intention of undermining the testing procedures.
09-21-2004, 04:20 PM
The crime was selling an unapproved drug for human use. If he sold them to the athletes as research chemicals and had a big "DO NOT INJECT" sign on them, and said they are strictly for injecting in lab animals, then they'd have a bitch of a time prosecuting him. But he's stupid.
09-21-2004, 04:25 PM
09-21-2004, 04:30 PM
What I don't get is why it matters if the buyers were athletes, their sport was "drug-free," or whether the intention of the drug was to get around testing.Originally Posted by Brodus
Either what he was selling was against the law or not (I would think.) Shouldn't make any difference if the buyer is an athlete (breaking the rules of a sports organization shouldn't be a crime...and even if it were, that's on the player that uses them.)
09-21-2004, 05:19 PM
Hey Sledge If you dont ever get around to selling superbol
I would surely like to know the details of this compound anyway just for fun it sounded like such an awsome compound from everything ive taken from it im guessing its related to m1,4andro somehow but you say its already an active compound plus what really gets me is how anabolic it is while still keeping the estro conversion down.
So if you never get around to selling it how about some details brotha?
09-21-2004, 05:47 PM
Yeah If I dont ever get around to it, ill be happy to fill you guys in. I just want to be sure of all final wording on the part of the govt.
Of course the zma was to help launder the money, but you still need to account for a certain amount of sales and there really is only so much a person can use. I am sure Barry has said to the public how much zma he was using, he then cant turn around and say "well really it was 100 times that amount, i just didnt want to help out anyone else".
Personally i say let them all use drugs, let them use any drug they can think of or make, then the playing field is level, because they can all use (this is their whole reason for testing). if they dont want to that is there own choice. its much easier to just let them go buck wild and save all the money from testing and spend it on something useful like fighting cancer.
Ben Johnson still ran, its not like someone else or a robot was in there running for him, pretending to be him, he still ran it. you can take away all the medals you want, no one has beat him yet, with or without drugs. i would be willing to bet any time any sprinter gets in those blocks, they are thinking about his record.
09-21-2004, 05:55 PM
I agree or they could even create natty and enhanced categories. Just be open about..big whoop. Once people see there isn't all that much difference in performance they'll relax about the whole issue.
'Roids didn't make Barry Bonds a great player, Barry Bonds made Barry Bonds a great player!
09-21-2004, 06:06 PM
of course, steroids just allow him to play a full 162 games without his old body falling apart. that is what most people fail to see, the difference between a home run and a out is less then 1/4 of an inch. the ball is being thrown 90 miles an hour, my little sister could hit a home run if she conected. he needs it because his body aches after 50 games and needs something to just get him through the rest of the season, then he takes the off season easy, recovers and starts back up again in May.
he could take 5000mgs of any steroid he could find, as well as could the rest of MLB, only 3 people since roger maris has hit more then 60 homers in a season, and steroids have been around since then. so obviously its not the drugs.
people see the homeruns and say he must be using, well of course he is, but its not for the homers, its so he can run to first base.
09-21-2004, 06:22 PM
While I can see where you "let them use as much steroids as they want" guys are coming from, consider the effects that stance would have on:
a) high school and college players trying to make it big like their idols (they use it, why can't I)
b) the players themselves. There will be lots who will stretch the limits in order to gain just a slight edge and end up killing themselves slowly (or maybe not so slowly).