stronger than jw but needs no serm??

[trainer]

hey guys im looking to run a 4 week cycle of something that is stronger than jw but does not need a serm for pct, i have 1 bottle of drive and 1 bottle of rpm, which i could use with or after. im looking at something to give my clean bulk a last kick in this last month before i start a cut for august time. so what im looking for


-stronger than jungle warfare
-no need for pharma meds/serms for pct
-good lean dry gains
-looking for maybee 7-10 lbs

any one meet te task with options lol??

i was tinking of hyperdrolx2?? opinions?

 

[RenegadeRows]

You could try a low dose Epistane run, say 3 weeks @ 20mg, and run post cycle support + drive for PCT.

 

[pmiller383]

Have you considered running a pulse cycle of epi?

Also check out Primordial Performance and possibly look into dermacrine and sustain.

 

[zbtboy]

You could try a low dose Epistane run, say 3 weeks @ 20mg, and run post cycle support + drive for PCT.

This would be a solid plan. I just finished up an Epi cycle using much higher dosages than this with only PCS and DHEA as my PCT and had great results.

 

[dawaro]

This would be a solid plan. I just finished up an Epi cycle using much higher dosages than this with only PCS and DHEA as my PCT and had great results.

How much DHEA did you run? I am about to finish an Epi run and I am running 3 weeks of Torem along with PCS and Retain2 (starting day 15). I have been thinking about adding some DHEA in also.

 

[nosnmiveins]

This would be a solid plan. I just finished up an Epi cycle using much higher dosages than this with only PCS and DHEA as my PCT and had great results.

what dose DHEA?

 

[brugalou]

bump

 

[thesinner]

Hyperdrol is my favorite AX product. I love the gains I make with it. Usually take during PCT, and end up not only keeping my gains, but continuing to make them.

An Epi pulse is another option. A lot of folks have done with PCS on off days.

One protocol I've put a few people on was to take Hyperdrol while pulsing Epistane or Superdrol. I've helped a few people from another forum do this, and they had such great results (usually 5-10lbs gross) that they came back and had me help them out again.

 

[trainer]

hey guys thanks for all the replies, first off i cant seem to find anywhere in uk to buy the epi/pcs. also i have een reading a bit about epi ad cant seem to get what id be doing with it when saying pulse it with the drive and pcs/

also i possably have a slight bit of gyno left over from puberty, would this be affected?

if i took it for 3 weeks what sort of gains are reasonable in that time period? thanks T

 

[RenegadeRows]

I always end a PCT with a nice 4 week run of hyperdrol @ 3-4 caps per day. keeps any gyno away and builds muscle

 

[trainer]

i have been reading about and seems alot of people ave got gyno from a epi cycle and this worries me as i seem to already have some from puberty.

what type of gains do people look at from just a 4 week cycle of hyperdrol and then i could end it with the bottle of drive and rpm i have?

sorry if i seem a worrier im just a total panic over the gyno thing lol

 

[rhodesman]

i have been reading about and seems alot of people ave got gyno from a epi cycle and this worries me as i seem to already have some from puberty.

what type of gains do people look at from just a 4 week cycle of hyperdrol and then i could end it with the bottle of drive and rpm i have?

sorry if i seem a worrier im just a total panic over the gyno thing lol

I was under the impression that Epi/Havoc could actually be used to help get rid of gyno. Dr. D had a lot to say about it in his " How to pulse orals" log. Check that out if u get a chance. I believe he wrote a protocal for a full-on gyno assault using Epistane. Just a thought.

 

[trainer]

if i took epi , would i take the 20mg ed or eod or just training days?

 

[thesinner]

if i took epi , would i take the 20mg ed or eod or just training days?

Should be taken EOD, if taken as a pulse.

 

[trainer]

cheers rhodsman, i have also been searching about and found this

http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/product.php/587/epistane

seems to say the same thing.

im still bit confused at what ad when the 20mg would be taken. i have read just on the lifting days so that would be mon, wed, fri = 60mg per week for 3 weeks

or is it 20mg per day for 3 weeks and then when my last dose is done start the drive and pcs

 

[rhodesman]

cheers rhodsman, i have also been searching about and found this

http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/product.php/587/epistane

seems to say the same thing.

im still bit confused at what ad when the 20mg would be taken. i have read just on the lifting days so that would be mon, wed, fri = 60mg per week for 3 weeks

or is it 20mg per day for 3 weeks and then when my last dose is done start the drive and pcs

It depends on what your goals are. I went back and looked so I wouldn't give you bad advice. Dr.D says for gyno reduction "30mg daily for not less than a month is the optimal protocol it seems for fastest reduction." If u just want to pulse it you will need someone else to chime in, as Im not a fan of pulsing. Hope this helps somewhat!

 

[AM07]

If Havoc is run for 20-30mg/day for 30-45 days (30 days if ran at 30mg, 45 days if ran at 20mg), does it need any PCT? Would the old JW be enough to use as PCT?

 

[trainer]

ey people well i ave been having a look into epi and it looks good now before i purcase the epi and pcs (i already have the drive) i need to sort my cycle out. how is this

20mg epi ed

for 21 days

then on day 22 start 4 drive per day + (unsure on pcs)

untill finished

 

[trainer]

any one help on how to take these???

cheers T

 

[dawaro]

any one help on how to take these???

cheers T

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/77359-neoborn-s-epistane.html

 

[trainer]

ok after reading that i have decided to do 3 weeks as such,

day 1 - 10mg epi
day2-21 -20mg epi

im stil confused on the post cycle support, when and how much.

the drive i was going to run 4 per day from day 22 for 2 weeks along side rpm at 4 perday for 2 weeks

so just te pcs i need help on

hanks guys T

 

[zbtboy]

what dose DHEA?

sorry i didnt see this earlier. I dosed the DHEA at 50mg daily, either first thing in the morning.

 

[zbtboy]

ok after reading that i have decided to do 3 weeks as such,

day 1 - 10mg epi
day2-21 -20mg epi

im stil confused on the post cycle support, when and how much.

the drive i was going to run 4 per day from day 22 for 2 weeks along side rpm at 4 perday for 2 weeks

so just te pcs i need help on

hanks guys T

Just use the PCS as directed on the bottle... 2 caps in the morning and 2 caps at night.

 

[trainer]

cheers dude, would i stert the pcs after the epi cycle? with the drive.

T

 

[trainer]

hey people i cant find epi anywhere , here in uk but have found this

http://www.epistane4sale.co.uk/shop/article_41/Epithin-E-90-CAPSULES-(SAME-COMPOUND-AS-EPISTANE).html?shop_param=cid=14&aid=41&

is this the same stuff as said or a cheap remake that is notas effectibve thanks T

 

[trainer]

and this seems to be the closest thing i can ind to the pcs

http://www.cheapuksupplements.com/shop/product.php/262/advanced_pct

are either any good?

 

[trainer]

anyone help? im looking to buy them asap but cant find it anywere in uk sre the links shown the same thing? thanks

 

[trainer]

anyone? please guys i really wanna get a start but need to find it , are these the same product under diff name