JZ's 6wk PP/M-TRN/ZOL cycle LOG

[JZ7757]

Hey Distinguished AM members,

This looks to be a very fun lean bulk cycle. Looking to get shredded for the summer!

Components are pretty common, though i havent found a log on all three yet. Plenty of the pp/zol logs of course. :whiner:

Goals:

1) Gain lean mass!
2) Continue to lose the winter/busy schedule/slacking BF while get some vascularity back.
3) Improve my strength overall; particularly flat bb bench and dead's.
4) Dont get injured with all this new strength.

Dates:
Cycle 5/28 thru 7/8
post cycle therapy stg 1 7/9 thru 8/6
post cycle therapy stg 2 8/7 thru 8/27

Cycle Schedule:

wk1- pp 20/zol 200
wk2- pp 30/zol 200
wk3- pp 40/zol 250/m-trn 2 mgs (upped to 4mgs at 75% of week competion)
wk4- pp 40/zol 300/m-trn 4 mgs
wk5- zol 350/m-trn 6 mgs
wk6- zol 350/m-trn 6 mgs


post cycle therapy:

wk1- Nolva 60mg/d, nutraplanet ATD 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, retain2 4 caps/d, FEN 3 caps, CEE
wk2- Nolva 40mg/d, ATD 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, retain2 3 caps/d, FEN 4 caps, CEE
wk3- Nolva 40mg/d, ATD 50mg/d, DHEA 150mg/d, retain2 2 caps/d, FEN 5 caps, CEE
wk4- Nolva 20mg/d, JW Reg dose/d, DHEA 100mg/d, retain 2 1 cap/FEN 6 caps, CEE
wk5- JW reg dose, CEE
wk6- JW reg dose, CEE
wk7- JW reg dose, CEE

Supporting Supps:

AI's CS 2x/day
Cissus 2-3x/day as needed
Flax seed oil
Mega Multi-Vit/Min

Stats:

Starting Weight: 195 lbs
Ending Weight: 203 lbs (up to 208lbs for two days) AND dropped a good amount of BF!
After post cycle therapy: 192 lbs

Age: 25
Sex: yes please
Height: 5' 6"
BF: 13-15% (? pics to come)

Performance Increase

20-25 lbs on everything throughout wk 1-4, 35-50 lbs @ wk 4-6.

anabolic steroids History:

PP, superdrol, and dbol.

General Info:

The Diet will be a very clean, 3500-4500 cals/day, around 60 pro/30 carb/10 fat split.

Workout 4-5 days a week, two day split.

I actually started a pp/zol pulse cycle for the last three weeks, but i need to speed this up. Kinda of in haste, but I have some life circumstances that i forsee hindering my gym time/progress comming up, mainly a new baby girl. I will need all the help i can get then. lol

Any comments, questions, concens, critiquement, and or advice are cetainly welcome!

I will put some pics up tomorrow, in the appropriate forum.

-J

 

[klugman]

what is the zol?

Is that like Juggernaut's win-ztrol ???

 

[JZ7757]

EDIT:
PP is Pheradrol by ph design
both Mega-TRN and Mega-ZOL are Generic Lab's genuien stuff.

I just prefer GL's zol cause their rep speaks for itself, i can get it for 45 bucks for 90 caps without the filler, and I am not impressed with JN's products as of late. particularlly, the zol looking like poop thread.

 

[JZ7757]

Days 1-4:

Two out of the four days (not including today) I have had two workouts, which were great. Energy and strength were up as typical with my previous pp runs.

Increased bicep pumps were def noticable, even when i was working back/shoulders. Ridicouls bi/tri pumps when i did arms yesterday!

Overall, my appetite and recovery has increased. I am lacking a little sleep though, which i will try to work on.

best of all, i am UP 5lbs while losing body fat! My inproved diet and abs workouts have helped im sure. Sitting at 200lbs now.

Today is chest/tri day! cant wait!

 

[pistonpump]

subscribed.
every thing looks very good. Just one thing i would like to share, trn really fvcked with my libido when i ran it at the tail end right before PCT. You could be different tho.

why the odd diet split? care to share?...ive never seen that before (70/20/10)

 

[JZ7757]

Yeah, i know some experienced hard shutdown on trn, then others, pornstar wood at the time. This is my first progestin, so I am being mindful of this. I dont think it will shut me down that much, esp if i keep it at 4mgs. we shall see...

well, I picked the lower fat maco split cause I really want to lose the current fat and also cause the last time i fitday'd my regular bulking diet, it came out to about 13% fat.

I am very much limiting my bad fat intake and bumping my protien intake. I only have some almonds here and there, plus whatever little fat is in my foods. nothing else; as in no "cheat day." per say.

 

[pistonpump]

so the 70 is carbs or protien?

 

[JZ7757]

EDIT: just did fitday twice for my two typical diets that i bulk on. I still need to tweek diet #2 a little to get some fat out.

Diet #1:

3844 cals @ 62 pro/30 carb/10 fat.

Diet #2:

4797 cals @ 43 pro/25 carb/32 fat.

 

[pistonpump]

just switch some ingredients/foods to low or non fat if possible.

 

[JZ7757]

Day 5

1hr chest/tri workout AFTER 1.5 hrs of decent 3/3 bball, 2.5hrs total.

Surprizingly, energy and strength were still up as before. Ax stim X was still lingering on my last reps for my failure sets, which helped a little.

BB flat bench was good (right tri is still lacking);

185 for 8 x2, 205 for 6 x2.

db incline's were solid; 55 for 8 x2, 65 for 6 x2, 75 for 6 x1.

Also did some typical stuff, flys, decline bb, skull crushers, cables, bla bla.

Good points:
Chest pumps were good, strength still going up a little. felt good overall, but sore when i got home, mostly due to bball.

My buddy actually commented that i looked a little more vascular/leaner with size. He usally never comments on observations like that when i see him there! :woohoo:

Bad points:
As i mentioned up top, my right tri is behind again (this is typical with getting back into the routine). It usually takes a while after getting back into the gym, like 4wks, but its been 6 now...and im a little pissed. I've big weight/low resp, vise versa. Well see how it goes....

I noticed some bone pain in both forearm's when i got up to 65's on the db's, not during the reps, but when i picked them off the rack. Also noticed this in my 85/95lb bb curls earlier this week. never had this before, so i guess its time to bump the cissus dosage.

Everything still going good, still sitting at 200. I'll try to catch more zzz's this weekend.

 

[stxnas]

Glad to see you get this started bro. I'll be watching.

For pct you might want to pick up some bulk Muira Puama from NP. That **** makes walking to the mail box on a breezy day a thing of ecstasy , lol.

 

[JZ7757]

Days 6-7

These last couple of days have been pretty uneventful. My body has been fighting off the begining of a cold. I have had the typical aches and pains, hot/cold spirts.

Sat afternoon, I started a good arm/leg workout, but didnt really push myself due to feeling like poop still.

Overall today, I am feeling better, i have also been taking ext strength tylenol to help (many hours away from my pp/zol dose time.)

Tonight will be a makeup day of sorts as well as my back/shoulders.

my body is still getting used to all the food, sometimes resulting in stomach pains. Any advice on a digestion aid would be appreicated. thx guys! :cheers:

 

[JZ7757]

LOL. yeah, so far so good, minus the cold issues the last couple of days. Ill look into Muira Puama, thx man!

 

[stxnas]

I'm thinking Gut Health might help, but I'm not sure where to find it right now.

Probiotics are bacterical flora that dwell in the intestines, allowing the nutrients we ingest to be utilized by the body. Modern diet, stress, and training all compromise the health of the Gut, leading to sickness, gas, indigestion, and wasted nutrients - not to mention contribute to sickness. GUT Health contains a strong, hearty strain of Lactobacillus casei, called KE99. THis university studied probiotic has been shown to:

-Reduces/eliminates protein related GI distress/gas
-Bolsters intestinal membranes, increasing the effectiveness of digestion
-detaches/destroys pathogens
-bolsters immune function
-prevents bowel irritation/helps IBS
-reduces Nitrogen excretion/increases protein absorption

This strain is shelf stable (requires no refrigeration) and enteric coated, dissolved in oil. GUT Health...for Vital Digestion and Optimal Results.

 

[pistonpump]

yeah, acidophilus and the like or that metamucil or psylium husk stuff. I like to take acidophilus when im eating ALOT of calories on a bulk cycle.

 

[JZ7757]

Day 8

Sup guys! Well after some good rest/recovery from that small cold type thing, i was ready to go!

1.5 hr back, shoulders and ab workout! 3hrs total at the gym with bball afterward, not the smartest thing i did yesterday. :hammer:

Weights felt really light today. Strength still going up quite a bit more, mostly due to rest/recov. for 4 days and +10mg of PP. I am on a full tear of 3800+ cals lately. Energy and strength were up quite a bit more than last weeks back workout.

Shoulder pull down machine; 140 x1, 180 x2, 230 x2!

Cable stack:

Behind neck press; 130 for 8 x1, 150 for 6 x 2, 170 for 6 x2

Wide grip pull down (upright); 150 for 8 x1, 170 for 8 x 2, 190 for 6 x1

Rows:

Close grip (upright); 150 for 10 x 1, 170 for 8 x1, 190 for 8 x1, 210 for 6 x1, 240 for 4 x1!!

can we say FULL STACK!? :aargh: solid 4 reps with a neg hold at the end w/staps. BP baby! :woohoo:

Wide grip (burn in): 130 for 15 x 2.

Pull back machine; 140 for 10 x1, 180 for 6 x2.

Overhead arnold press: 45 for 8 x2

Overhead reg press: 55 for 8 x2, 65 for 6 x1

Front bb Delt raise (super setted); 30/17.5 for 6 per x 3

Shrug machine (front/back position): 180 for 30 x1, 270 for 20 x2, 320 for 16 x1.

abs...bleh.

Good points:
during workout; Arm pumps were redic for the first 20mins/first shoulder excerize. After a streched them out, they were good for the rest of the workout.

Felt really good overall, esp during back. I felt unstopable and quite a silly type demeanor. I think i was just enjoying the pumps/strength gains too much. lol. My back has always been my strongest part and it has been getting stronger as I go.

Bad points:
No real ones here besides doing more bball again than i should have.

General:
Overall, well being has been good. Digestion is going better with the food, think my body is finally getting used to this intake.

I am sweating ALLOT more than usual. This is quite typical when im on, but frankly its annoying me more now for some reason. Even when i am out of the gym, im like wtf.

Also, I have been quite "offensive" lately. Really bad, i am glad i have my own office here, but at home....man I clear out a room. :dump: Def related to the increased cissus dosage and food.

Dry pics/measurements up tonight, i promise.

 

[stxnas]

Keep an eye on your BP bro. Sweating could be a sign that it's running a little high. Are you retaining any water yet or is the Zol keeping it off?

 

[JZ7757]

havent check in a while, though i feel fine otherwise. Ill check tonight wehn i get home.

Zol has been keeping me nice and lean all this time. Arms inparticular are leaner and vascular. Then again, it is only week 2, usually i get the bloat around mid week 3.

 

[JZ7757]

Day 10

1.5hr chest/tri workout, .5hrs of then decent bball, 2hrs total.

Chest and tri day, ahh....I love these days. :icon_lol:

I went a little extra on the tranditional routes and skipped cables/flys.

BB flat bench: 135 for 12 x1, 185 for 8 x2, 225 for 6 x4.

DB flats: 65 for 8 x2, 75 for 6 x3.

DB incline's: 55 for 8 x2, 65 for 6 x2, 75 for 6 x1.

Decline Machine: 140 for 10 x1, 180 for 8 x2, 230 for 6 x2.

Skull crushers: 55 for 12 x1, 65 for 8 x2, 75 for 8 x2

Cable pull downs (super setted with pullouts): 50 for 12/40 for 8, 70 for 8/50 for 8, 90 for 8/60 for 8.

Good points:
Chest pumps were good, strength is steady. Felt good with energy, great workout overall.

Digestion is going allot better, appetite AND libido has gone up quite a bit this week! Im getting my 2-3am wood again!

Bad points:
My right tri is making progress, but still far behind :whiner: Overall i lifted well, but def not as good or as much as i could.

Forearm pain still there, but not as severe. Im taking 2000mg of cissus per day, so that looks like its helping. Also after workout my hands/finger bones are a little sensitive just as my forearms when lifting.

Diet is good, but was a little under at 2800 cals on wednesday, only. Still holding at 200lbs each morning, and still lacking a little sleep which ill try to catch up this weekend.

Thx for stopping by guys! today is arm/ab's and prob lat or leg day.

 

[klugman]

yeah, acidophilus and the like or that metamucil or psylium husk stuff. I like to take acidophilus when im eating ALOT of calories on a bulk cycle.

I think acidophilus is a must for strength athletes. You need to keep your intestinal flora at maximum health. If you do, you feel better and get more from the food you eat. I take the stuff year round.

 

[JZ7757]

^^w0rd.

Digestion has been going much better since i have been taking these.

oh...and thanks for whoring up my log! :trout:

 

[pistonpump]

can you describe the forearm pain to me again? I know i struggled hard with this last cycle. I still do from time to time but when i get them i just ease off the training a bit, i think its a way of telling me im doing to much. I read on a possible cause to this but i want to know if youre getting the same type of pain.

What kind of acidiophilius did you get?

where the pics at? you promised brah!

 

[JZ7757]

can you describe the forearm pain to me again? I know i struggled hard with this last cycle. I still do from time to time but when i get them i just ease off the training a bit, i think its a way of telling me im doing to much. I read on a possible cause to this but i want to know if youre getting the same type of pain.

What kind of acidiophilius did you get?

where the pics at? you promised brah!

nag nag...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/68227-jz-starter-pics.html#post853769


Some generic acid stuff at a vitamin world around here. forget the mg amount, but the pills are sd type small.

Well, the pain is in the entire forearm and is at the bone only. It only happens with i max out bb curls or put back db's on the rack (pain hits as im putting them down and my forearm is supporting the weight 100%.) It hurts the worst here.

I never experienced anything like this before, even when i was overtraining last year. At this point, the only thing i could contribute it to is th Zol. So far it has gotten better, but well def see this week. I just upped the zol to 250/day and cissus 2500mgs/day!

 

[JZ7757]

Day 12

1hr arm workout, .5hrs of assorted abs, 1.5hrs total.

Overall things went good. Lacking a little enery at the start but i pushed through it.

BB curls: 55 for 12 x1, 65 for 8 x1, 75 for 8 x2. 85 for 6 x2.

BB forearm curls: 65 for 8 x1, 75 for 8 x3.

Single DB Preacher curls: 25 for 12 x1, 35 for 8 x2, 45 for 6 x1.

Hammer DB Curls: 45 for 10 x1, 65 for 8 x1, 75 for 8 x2, 85 for 6 x1

Skull crushers: 55 for 12 x1, 65 for 8 x2, 75 for 8 x2

Dual cable stack bicep press (forget proper name):

45 for 10 x 2, 35 for 8 x 2, 25 for 12 x 3.

Tri cable pull downs (super setted with cable curls): 50 for 12/70 for 8, 70 for 8/90 for 8, 80 for 8/110 for 8.

Good points:
Pumps were redic again for the first 20mins. Such pain and pleasure mixed together, i dont know how to call it! Right tri is almost there.

Bad points:
Not much minus the typical forearm again. A little lethargy on off days, could be to do slight lack of sleep though.

Diet was solid, I had a ton of water and TWO beers at a cookout on friday far away from supps timeline.

Still holding at 200-202lbs each morning. Got some extra sleep this weekend, but not as much as i wanted. I plan to hit the sack by 8 or 9 tonight!

 

[JZ7757]

ohh and i started TRN yesterday (day early/off day)....

I feel Bonds like power surging through me already. :toofunny: I am actualy really looking forward to TRN, mainly for the strength gains!

stay tuned...

 

[pistonpump]

...stayin tuned....

sounds like the same thing i got last cycle i believe someone lead me to a link that said the muscle is trying to grow faster than the fascia can accomadate. and i have a huge pimple i just felt on my jawline......****!!!

 

[JZ7757]

Day 13-14

Sun & Mon were off days and were good. I got 9 and 11 hrs sleep on monday night.

Still holding at 202lbs as of yesterday morning. Diet has been good, but right around 3k, not 3500+. BP is slightly higher than normal as taken on monday.

Been pretty tempered latley. Like really tempered/short fused, even in my typical traffic time that i usually dont have an issue with. I am usually never like this on PP or the Zol. Perhaps it is a combo of the slight lack of sleep and the TRN, but with 11hrs sleep on monday night i felt i was caught up. oh well..

 

[JZ7757]

Day 15 6/12

Sup guys! I know ive been slacking lately, so ill try to sum up the last couple of days with changes.

1.5 hr an OK back and shoulder, skipped abs.

Just an OK workout on tuesday. I felt really hot and bloated throughout that made it hard to get rolling. Bloat was probably due to eating too close to workout, combind with my gyms AC being BROKE! That sucked...lol.

I also pulled my lower back slightly on db rows. I think i went too heavy right off the bat, after not doing them for a while. Overall, strength was still going steady last week, maybe up a little more with the addition of TRN.

Shoulder pull down machine; 140 x1, 180 x2, 230 x2!

Cable stack:

Behind neck press; 130 for 8 x1, 150 for 6 x 2

Wide grip pull down (upright); 150 for 8 x1, 170 for 8 x 2, 190 for 6 x1

Rows:

Close grip (upright); 150 for 10 x 1, 170 for 8 x1, 190 for 8 x2

Wide grip (burn in): 130 for 15 x 2.

Pull back machine; 140 for 10 x1, 180 for 6 x2.

Db row: 60 for 10 x2, 80 for 8 x2.

Overhead arnold press: 45 for 8 x2

Overhead reg press: 55 for 8 x3

Good points:
Pumps were great as usual, but nothing out of the ordinary since the previous week.

Bad points:
Already mentioned, really hot, sweaty, bloated. man, i hate these days....No real ones here besides doing more bball again than i should have

General:
Besides this workout, I am def not holding any bloat as i did on my previous pp cycle in nov. you can really tell in the face, and my arms/back are getting cut up. esp the arms, the zol is doing good work.

Overall out of gym mood has been good, but as i mentioned before, i have been pretty hot tempered. Very quick to get annoyed with even small stuff. I have had allot on my plate latley and i may be overly anal sometimes :stick: but im usually never like this. Even on previous cycles. I want to say it is synonymous with the TRN, but its too early to tell I think. I still feel it was my sleep combo, but ive been getting good sleep, just dont feel rested.

Still holding in btween 200-202lbs as of tuesday morning. Diet has been good, but right around 3k, not 3500+. BP is still slightly higher than normal as taken on monday (6/11).

 

[JZ7757]

Day 17 6/14

1.5hr chest/tri workout, .5hrs of then decent bball, 2hrs total.

Good chest and tri day.

I went a little extra on the tranditional routes and skipped cables/flys.

BB flat bench: 135 for 12 x1, 185 for 8 x2, 225 for 6 x4.

DB flats: 75 for 8 x2, 90 for 6 x2.

DB incline: 65 for 8 x2, 75 for 6 x2, 85 for 6 x1.

DB decline: 65 for 8 x2, 75 for 6 x2.

Cable flys: 32.5 for 10 x2, 42 for 8 x2.

Inward cable flys: 22.5 for 10 x2, 32.5 for 8 x2.

Skull crushers: 55 for 12 x1, 65 for 8 x2, 75 for 8 x2

Cable pull downs (super setted with pullouts): 50 for 12/40 for 8, 70 for 8/50 for 8, 90 for 8/60 for 8.

Good points:
Chest pumps were good, but could have been better. I felt a little stronger, too. Maybe the TRN has kicked in. Felt good with energy, 8/10 workout overall.

Bad points:
My right tri is making progress, but still slacking. had a slight pinch in my right delt that was a small hinderance on the later part of my chest time.

Forearm pain still there, but not as severe.

General:
General mood and phys observations have been as noted above on day 15. Sleep has been good. averging around 6-8. Ive had some shooting pains on off days too. a little weird.

 

[JZ7757]

Day 18-20

These have been off days. Got some good (9-10hrs per day) overall rest, TON of food, I did some moving yesterday, so I got a slight workout/cardio in.

Last week was very busy for me with work, packing, baby shower, etc. Frankly, I was disapointed. I didnt get into the gym as much as I wanted. This week im going to shoot for 4 days, starting tonight. I will do some abs and concetration stuff to help make up for last week.

A couple of notes on cycle and dosages:
1. Bumped the cissus down to 1500/day mid week due to digestion/burping issues. kind of a PITA, but they subsided after doing this.

what has you guys exp/the rep. been with having too much cissus?

2. Bumped the vitamin's to 3-4 per day to help with noted shooting pains and recovery.

3. Bumped the TRN to 4mgs on sat (2days early).

4. I changed the TRN protocol to 4mgs (wks 3.5 and 4) and 6mgs for wks 5 and 6. It was previous 2mgs for 3-4 and 4mgs for wk 5-6. Overall I felt great since adding it, but havent noticed any type of kick in or increase in a type of behavior.

Most notably, my libido and sexual vigor has been that of Michael Douglas calibur. :toofunny:

5. Some small things here..I ordered some Poseidon, which should be here by tomm. We shall see how that does on the energy/recovery front, Ive heard great things. Stim x has been good for early am help and minor workout energy help, but it def is an issue on a bulker due to its diet supression. Ive been doing 95% of my workouts ON and OFF without any workout energy aid. If i did have stim x, it was early am and i need to force feed myself.

Also ordered some new whey flavors from ATW. Something about peaches & cream and orange & choc flavors that really turns me on. lol. Ive been getting really sick of my whey flavors (all four of them!) so hopefully these are good as they sound.

Still holding around 203lbs as of tuesday morning. Im enjoying the leaning out/recomp effect so far.

thanks for reading guys. any input would be good.

 

[pistonpump]

looks good man.

 

[JZ7757]

Day 21

Did some odd/ends on monday arm, legs, minor shoulder workout 2hrs total. 8/10 workout

shoulder bb press: 45 for 8 x2, 55 for 8 x2, 65 for 6 x1.

Shrug machine: 230 for 12 x2, 320 for 8 x2. (these felt really good!)

super BB straight curls: 55/27 for 10 x1, 65/30 for 8 x2.

BB forearm curls: 65 for 8 x1, 75 for 8 x2, 85 for 6 x2.

Hammer DB Curls: 45 for 10 x1, 65 for 8 x1, 75 for 8 x2, 85 for 6 x1

Skull crushers: 55 for 12 x1, 65 for 8 x2, 75 for 8 x2

Dual cable stack bicep curl: 45 for 10 x 2, 35 for 8 x 2, 25 for 12 x 3.

Tri cable pull downs (super setted with cable curls): 50 for 12/70 for 8, 70 for 8/90 for 8, 80 for 8/110 for 8.

Misc

Abs: straight and side crunches. 45 reps per.

Good points:
Pumps were great as usual. Strength is def up. felt really good and my failures could have been at 10+ reps if i wanted. Shoulder/tri pain wasnt that bad this workout.

Bad points:
Still sweating allot. BP isnt that bad, not as bad as it was on superdrol. slithgtly above normal.

Weight is 203lbs for the last couple of mornings. Still dropping a little bf, shaping up nicely. will update yesterdays awesome chest workout later this afternoon. later!

 

[klugman]

Do you do any squats or deadlifts?

I can't imagine living without them.

They PACK mass onto any frame and deliver great strength gains.

curious...

 

[JZ7757]

yeah, i usually do but not recently for two reasons. One, my lifting buddy recently pulled his back doing dead's, so we started skippin this two months ago.

Secondly, i just forgot, even if im alone. Frankly, I havent given it much thought, but if i lift alone ill start doing them again. I have never really been a big fan of dead's, but i know how benifical they are.

i am due for an update again....still holding at a lean 205. I will update later today when i have some time.

 

[JZ7757]

BUMP. Sorry guys, ive been MIA for a little bit. Been really busy with work, moving into my townhouse and a ton of other stuff.

I will update this very shortly either today or tomorrow. Things have been going well, some good factors and some slightly negitive things, but overall good progress.

 

[AM07]

Hey JZ, anymore updates? This is an interesting log.

 

[JZ7757]

Update!

First of all, sorry for the MIA guys. As i said before, I have been extremely busy with 60+hr weeks, moving, getting settled in, etc, etc. Seemed to come out of nowhere, actually.

Anyways, the cycle has continued throughout the time, but i slightly modifed the schedule (which is updated on the main page). I am on my first week of post cycle therapy right now.

I will do my best to recap the weeks in my next post, but for this one will be a general overview and effects, experiences, etc.

So here we go....

Overall it has been a good lean bulker and recomp. It has been my first time with ZOL and TRN, and now having experienced them, I would have ran things slightly different. Mainly not been so cautious with the dosage, taken zol up to 350-400 sooner and 6-8 mgs of trn. I could have probably gotten more size/recomp out of this, but oh well. Im happy nontheless.

Weight wise i got up to 208lbs for a couple days at wk 4, holding at a leaner 198lbs now. Right now im just trying to keep my gains and stay lean.

Kept my workouts at 3-4 days, except wk 6; my right shoulder/tri pain was getting really bad, so i went light with only 2days. I tapered my diet down to 2600-2900 cals at wks 5-6 to hopefully attain a better recomp/sliming effect. I think wk 5 when i moved my diet was sub 2500, though. Diet was pretty clean all weeks, a little sugary on wk 6 but that was it.

My only downside was I wasnt able to do my monster ab workout that i had planned for 4days/wk for wks 5-6. I kept the cardio and weights up, but didnt lose all of the lower waist fat that i wanted to.

I really, really wished i worked my trunk more, and that i was more aggressive with the zol dosage throughout. I'm sure my increased stress level hasnt helped the fat loss either.

Running Poseidon for the fist time was a major help in indurance and cooling factor during workout. I only have found that i need to keep bumping the grams per day to keep that edge. Im up at 30gms now, comapred to 15 when i started.

Here are the indivitual effects as i experienced them:

PP:
Pro's: Just as i expected from the pp foundation. Mood was great, low to no sides, strength and pumps were sensational, esp with all three compounds. Put on some good size during wk 2-4.5, combinded with teh zol cutting, I looked great at mid wk 3. Bigger but nice and lean, esp in the face/upper body.

Con's: only the effects seemed to lower at wk4 (i know this is typical with most users) but usually I get it all up to end of wk 4. Might have something to do with my 3wk pp pulse prior.

EDIT: One thing i forogt to mention is that i switched from Pheradrol at end of week 3 and started SNS methyl plex (just cause what i had left with an early exp date). On doing this, in my next workout I did noticed a significant drop in "PP power" and effects. I was really disapointed to say the least, dont knwo if it was a a/b insom thing or what.

ZOL:

Pro's: Great cutting/vas compound. Cut my arms and shoulders up VERY nicely at wk 2.5-3 and didnt lose it at all.
Made my forearms actually smaller, but at every flex/rep, i am very lean looking. I also have veins that i didnt know i had in my arms. :lol:

Cons: Frankly, only one was minor joint/bone pain as previously mentioned. Took a while for cissus to help, but once it kicked in, it was all good. Other than that, I didnt really notice any at all.

TRN:
Pro's: strength and endurance increases was awesome! Everything felt light when i got to 6mgs and i got PB's where i thought i was maxed out. Def shaped me up a little and lost some BF during wk4 but im not sure just how much of the fat loss was this vs. the increased zol dosage.

Con's: Thinned out my hair a little, libido crash at mid wk5 (after being strong at 2-4mgs), allot more edgy and quick to loose patience with everything going on.

EDIT: With this great experience with ZOL/TRN and that i want to really start to put on more size without the fat, i am very temped to run another cycle immeditly after wk 6 of post cycle therapy. It would be EPI, TRN & ZOL for 6 wks straight. We shall see though, I may just run EPI and TRN.

 

[JZ7757]

PCT week 1 recap!

Quick summary of first week of post cycle therapy (last week till monday).

Stats/composition:
Dropped to around 195/6lbs for the entire week. Lost a little bri/chest muscle it appears from my light workout week that i mentioned (1-2days). I am still very happy as I am noticbly leaner/vascular than before. :buff buff:

Protocol:
Nolva 60mg/d, nutraplanet ATD 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, retain2 4 caps/d, FEN 3 caps, 15-20gms CEE/d.

Also still taking ai cs, stim x 3-4 days/wk.

EDIT: Disco'd the Poseidon. It wasnt doing enough for me to continue using it and having to bump the dosage. I may give it another go at a later time, though.

Diet is about 2600-2900 cals/day. Still high pro/carb mix, real clean.

Despite being so busy/crazy right now, i am getting good sleep. around 6-8hrs /day during the week, 8-10 on the weekends.

Workout Protocol:
3 days (chest/tri, back/shoulders, legs/arms) with bball cardio for .75-1.5hrs:

After reading my last post and seeing how much it appeared I was whining about still having a little side fat :whiner: I decided to beef up the cardio/sit up regiment to help drop more fat.

The middle of this wk1 to middle of wk 2 (this week) I lost even a little more fat! I feel it is mostly to ramping down diet, increased cardio/abs and prob stimx.

Feelings/experience:
Overall things have been good. I noticed my mood as improved, even after a ****ty/hectic 12hr day. I am less edgy and quick to anger, for sure. I mostly attribute this to the lack of TRN and the addition of Stim-X.

I have def lost some strengh and the forearm pain is back, but not as severe as before. I am still taking cissuc btw, tapering down from my 1500mgs/day.

Right shoulder pain has been better, but def not 100%. The Tri portion has dropped considerably! That I was happy about for sure.

BP looks good, slightly on the high side, hair has thickined out a little.

Recovery i noticed is slightly behind from where it was throughout the cycle. It is probably my 'normal' time now. Kinda sucks on off days. I dont feel like i could hit the gym every day now. lol

The boys rebounded very nicely at day 3, and have been large ever since. I wasnt that shut down to begin with, but it was good to see instead of the fluxuation while i was on. Libido is still OK, but not 100%.

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I will update again this weekend about how this week went. Very simular to wk1 here.

Thanks for reading guys! :thumbsup:

 

[Beowulf]

Nice log, bro! Thanks :cheers:

 

[JZ7757]

thanks man. I am a bit behind and need to update (im on day 3, wk 3).

Overall things are still going good, minus the last two days in the gym. I feel "human" again, but still good. I think i may swap the atd for JW or JW/PA at the begining of week 4. We shall see...

 

[JZ7757]

post cycle therapy week 2 recap!

Quick summary:

Stats/composition:
Still around 193 +/- lbs for the entire week. Loss of the little bi/chest muscle is still noticable.

Protocol:
Nolva 40mg/d, nutraplanet ATD 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, retain2 3 caps/d, FEN 4 caps, 15-20gms CEE/d.

AI CS 1x/ed and stim x 2-3 caps, 3-4 days/wk.

Diet is about 2600 cals/day. Still high pro/carb mix, pretty clean.

I had a craving for sugur stuff the last two weeks. Man, i was bad, but not THAT bad. More snacking on twizzlers/ice cream that i usually do while on post cycle therapy. I am not a sugar guy at all, either. lol :hammer:

Still got good sleep. around 6-8hrs /day during the week, 8-10 on the weekends.

Workout Protocol:
3 days (chest/tri, back/shoulders, legs/arms) with bball cardio for .75-1.5hrs:

Still dropping fat at the waistline. Again, I feel it is mostly to ramping down diet, increased cardio/abs and stim-x. Im just waiting for that sugar to hit me, but i am staying active so lets hope i dont see a neg change.

Strength is still up there, 80% of what i was on cycle. I do feeel "human" again, but other than that, im good.

Right shoulder pain is better as well.

Feelings/experience:
Overall things have been good. Mood is still good. No lethargy at all.

My esophagusis about to kill me! Experiencing quite a bit of heartburn here. Sucks...

BP looks good, slightly down from last week.

On a weird note, ever since wk 6 of cycle, I sometimes get a light twitch in my left eye lid. Every now and then, its like a natural reflex thing, but it happens 1-2 times a day at most and 2-3 times a week.

This also happens in more frequence with my left "wing" on my back. I notice it is triggered when i am relaxing and put my arms back or just standing there.

Its entirely normal at work, even on back days. Quite weird....

 

[JZ7757]

post cycle therapy week 3 recap

Quick summary:

Stats/composition:
Holding around 193 +/- lbs for the entire week. Still looking good/lean.

Protocol:
Nolva 40mg/d, nutraplanet ATD 50mg/d and JW reg dose, DHEA 150mg/d, retain2 2 caps/d, FEN 5 caps, 15-20gms CEE/d.

AI CS 1x/ed and stim x 2-3 caps, 3-4 days/wk.

Diet is about 2600-2800 cals/day. Still high pro/carb mix, pretty clean.

The craving for sugur stuff has came down a little.

TP's new sweet protien flavors have helped too!! they are the BOMB! :woohoo:

Still good sleep. around 6-8hrs /day during the week, 8-10 on the weekends.

Workout Protocol:
2 days (chest/tri, back/shoulders, light abs):

Took a little time off last week, got two solid 1.5hr days in, no cardio.

I also jumped the gun and started JW at the reg does on friday to suppliment th ATD. After a 3 day build up in my system, my first workout yesterday on JW was awesome. Much better pumps and intensity! Definetly what i was looking for as i am winding down now.

Strength is still up there, but at 60% of what i was on cycle. I do feeel "human" again, but other than that, im good.

Surprizingly enough, i still put up 245 for 4 for flat BB bench! Pretty happy with that. I was at 260-265 for 4 at wk 6.

Right shoulder/tri pain is much better, almost 100%.

Feelings/experience:
Overall things have been good. Mood is still good. No lethargy at all.

My esophagusis and heartburn have been better, but not gone.

Twitching in my left eye lid and wing is still there, but seems to not be as frequent.

I will hopefully be getting in atleast 3 days full workout this week. Looking forward to the experience with JW!

 

[pistonpump]

15-20 grams of CEE??? sounds like a lot.

 

[JZ7757]

Lol. yes it is, i didnt want to loose any strength. I usually take 5-7 grams per shake, x 2-4 per day.

You start that Epi run yet?

 

[pistonpump]

Lol. yes it is, i didnt want to loose any strength. I usually take 5-7 grams per shake, x 2-4 per day.

You start that Epi run yet?

Sure did. Im in week 2. Not going to log it maybe just a review.

You should look into the CEE at that dose, i just wonder if its bad for you anyway. Are you holding strength good?

 

[JZ7757]

Im sure my body will treat any excess creatine like it does protien and just disreguard it. Strength has stayed up at about 80% throughout PCT, now with the JW in the mix, it has gone up.

btw...in case any of you didnt know, JW is awesome! This is my second time trying it, but first time in a workout day protocol. Pumps, intensity and strength are all there! Nevermind large morning boners! lol Im impressed!