Suggestions on test cyp cycle???

[whoze2blame]

Hey whats up fellow BB Im asking for any suggestions on how to cycle test cyp, doses and all that. I would greatly appreciate your help. Would it be effective or make the cycle better to stack with superdrol, or methyl-plex? I have 3 outstanding PH cycles under my belt. I have never used injectables at all, but came up on 2 10 ml vials of test cypionate. Thanks again guys for the help. peace

 

[Matthew D]

10-12 weeks 500 mg/week would be a good beginning... also if you do a search you might find some more information on here about this

 

[whoze2blame]

Should i do all 500mg at one shot or should it spread out through the week? Also, would it be wise to stack it with superdrol, or is that a waste? Thanks for the info so far. By the way i did a search but nothing to answer my questions. Or would 250mg on tuesday then 250mg friday,tues,friday so forth and so on....??????

 

[kwyckemynd00]

500mg dosed as 250mg 2x/wk.

I also, after my experience with test, wouldn't discourage a dose as high as 750mg/wk for a beginner of decent size. And, your stats look pretty good, so don't be afraid to up the dose a little if things aren't working out like you had expected.

 

[whoze2blame]

Cool thanks homey. I guess I'll try the 500mg and see how that goes. When test cypionate starts to kick in, is it real hardcore or what. Maybe like SD x 50??? Lol.....what determines if this **** is really working for me. If anything ill probably send u an aim message if its all good with you. Thanks for the input homey, look forward to discussing this with you.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Test isn't gonna be hardcore like that when it kicks in, just more consistent gains.

SD is stronger than test unless you're dosing really high. SD is really strong.

And, you know when its working

 

[whoze2blame]

So what if I was to do a cycle like this.


Week1 test cyp 500mg
Week2 test cyp 500mg
Week3 test cyp 500mg
Week4 test cyp 500mg
Week5 test cyp 500mg
Week6 test cyp 500mg, superdrol 10mg
Week7 test cyp 500mg, superdrol 20mg
Week8 test cyp 500mg, superdrol 20mg
Week9 test cyp 500mg, superdrol 20mg
Week10 test cyp 500mg, superdrol 30mg

Would this be to much? I'm open to any suggestions you have.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

Nothing wrong with that, in fact, i'm going to do something like that myself.

When you kickstart, usually you don't get the effects of test WITH the oral b/c it hasn't really kicked in yet. This way you'll learn how to feel the test kicking in and you'll be able to get the effects of both test AND sdrol.

So, really up to you. First cycle, I'd recommend this last one, actually. Good to learn hwo to feel for the test kicking in.

edit: what might be a good idea is to start the superdrol two weeks later so you can extend superdrol two weeks past your last test injection, that way you close teh cycle strong...not having to deal with funky blood levels from the last dose of test being 2 weeks before pct.

 

[whoze2blame]

Yeah that sounds pretty good. I guess i'll give that a try whenever i get the balls to stick myself. I heard oil based is a bitch for a first timer...any thoughts on that, or what might make it a little tolerable.

 

[GrossSizeRocks]

Would like to expand on Whoze2's questions with some related ones of my own. All my experience with injectables is from reading not doing, am hoping to end all that by late January.

Have always read that Cyp and Enth yield very similar results, and that both are often used as the base of a 10 or more week cycle, usually with at least one other substance. Have further read that these two take a while to kick in (like 4 weeks?), and that a kickstart is often used just at the beginning of the 10 or more weeks, and this is often Dbol or Anadrol.

In Whoze2's example he runs SD during the middle of the cycle, and Kwyck suggests moving it further back. Wouldn't it be most useful as the kickstart during weeks 1-4?

This takes me to an underlying question: if Cyp and Enth don't kick in for 4 weeks, can we assume they also don't lose effectiveness for 4 weeks after your last injection? In other words if running Cyp only for 10 weeks does not give you anything till week #5, does it at least pay you back by giving gains in weeks 11-14, or doesn't it work out that "fairly?" In still other words, does a 10 week Cyp or Enth cycle only produce a 6 week period of gains unless you kickstart with something else?

How about using another Test as a kickstart, like running Prop or Suspension, but just for those first four weeks?

At the tail end of the cycle I see people discussing how to bridge and maintain gains or minimize losses. Can you just keep using your base substance in decreasing doses for another 4 or so weeks, or is life not that simple?

 

[Iron Warrior]

How about using another Test as a kickstart, like running Prop or Suspension, but just for those first four weeks?

Nothing wrong with that, you're just gonna be sticking yourself more often, do a base injectable everyday if you want quick results :twisted:

To your other observations
1. Yes, most people will kickstart the cycle with an oral like d-bol, superdol etc. for faster gains.

2. The ester takes 14-21 days, depending on which you use, so you still would have some results after your last shot, make sure you start PCT when the ester clears your body.

3. Bridging with hormones is like never coming off so just make sure you get blood work done on a consitant basis to monitor your health.

 

[GrossSizeRocks]

Thank you, IronWarrior/

 

[whoze2blame]

Nothing wrong with that, in fact, i'm going to do something like that myself.

When you kickstart, usually you don't get the effects of test WITH the oral b/c it hasn't really kicked in yet. This way you'll learn how to feel the test kicking in and you'll be able to get the effects of both test AND sdrol.

So, really up to you. First cycle, I'd recommend this last one, actually. Good to learn hwo to feel for the test kicking in.

edit: what might be a good idea is to start the superdrol two weeks later so you can extend superdrol two weeks past your last test injection, that way you close teh cycle strong...not having to deal with funky blood levels from the last dose of test being 2 weeks before pct.

So what you sayin is I should start the SD at the start of week 8, so that by running the sd cycle 5 weeks it extend 2 weeks after the 10 week test cycle, correct? Then I can start my PCT.....also as far as PCT I was thinking of running.

Rxt,leanxt,ryr,milkthistle,fish oils,and some fenugreek, and of course protein and a grip of clean ol grub. I don't have any hooks for Nolva or the like. So any constructive criticism for my PCT would be greatly appreciated. Thanks fellas.

 

[kwyckemynd00]

You don't need hooks for nolva, bro, there are board sponsors who carry all the nolva you need for research purposes. IBE is a good place to start looking

And, what I meant for your cycle was , for example, if you end your cycle on week 12, run an oral until week 14 and then start pct the next day.

So, if you were going to run SD for 4 weeks, start it at week 10 and run through 14.

Its nice to learn how to feel test kicking in, so first cycle with test, I'd just do it the slow way and wait a good 4-5 weeks to start really feeling it. Then, you've learned a bit about the test, how it kicks in etc.

And, most likely, your test gains will kind of drop off toward the last weeks, so not only are you avoiding funky blood/hormone levels when you close with an oral, but you are giong to close the cycle strong with one of the best orals, period, busting wide open any plateau you may have come up on (probably wont' be any major ones ).

 

[whoze2blame]

Okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.. Your help has been greatly appreciated bro. By the way I was trying to get a hold of you via aim the names wHOze2bLAme... Aight brotha.

 

[powermad]

Long-acting test esters (cyp, enanthate, etc.) take a few weeks to "kick-in", so to speak, so i'd recommend hitting the superdrol or another oral for the first month

That way you won't be discouraged due to lack of gains in the first few weeks; the test won't take effect until about a month, sometimes less, sometimes more--but orals' effects show up pretty instantly and peak/plateau after a month when the test just starts to work its magic. You can start an oral taper after your last shot for the final 3-4 weeks as well.

 

[powermad]

Also, get more cyp and run 750mg/week if you've done a couple of prohormone(steroid) cycles, especially w/ superdrol. You might be disappointed if you dont. The 500mg of test will feel like nothing compared to your old SD cycle(s), though the sides are less and overall it is better/more effective in the long run. At least think about frontloading with 1g the first week if you cant do that, it always seems to make my cycles more productive (and attains peak blood levels of test concentrations faster). IME, when on test only cycles I always start to notice increased pumps and libido, weight gain/strength around the 4th/5th week, just like the first week or two of an oral feels like. Nothing magical, except the feeling stays as long as you're on the stuff, unlike orals that fizzle out after 3 or 4 weeks (i.e. SD/PP).

There are many ways to do it, you could also wait it out the first few weeks and add the orals to the end. Or you could use prop, suspension or TNE for the first few weeks/last few weeks in a similar fashion.

I'll tell you what, you've made the right choice to go with injectables. They are so much healthier, don't wreak havoc on your lipids or liver like some orals, and the gains are better/more maintainable, and the neg sides are fewer. The pain (which is very little) of sticking a needle into your body is well-worth avoiding the negative sides of orals that can, in some cases, damage your health.

Good luck.

 

[GrossSizeRocks]

Thanks, Mad, am definitely considering the front-load approach.

Stocked up on some SD and its cousins when talk of Ban #2 first surfaced, but I'd rather avoid orals if I can work around them.

 

[eisenmench]

Also, get more cyp and run 750mg/week if you've done a couple of prohormone(steroid) cycles, especially w/ superdrol. You might be disappointed if you dont. The 500mg of test will feel like nothing compared to your old SD cycle(s), though the sides are less and overall it is better/more effective in the long run. At least think about frontloading with 1g the first week if you cant do that, it always seems to make my cycles more productive (and attains peak blood levels of test concentrations faster). IME, when on test only cycles I always start to notice increased pumps and libido, weight gain/strength around the 4th/5th week, just like the first week or two of an oral feels like. Nothing magical, except the feeling stays as long as you're on the stuff, unlike orals that fizzle out after 3 or 4 weeks (i.e. SD/PP).

There are many ways to do it, you could also wait it out the first few weeks and add the orals to the end. Or you could use prop, suspension or TNE for the first few weeks/last few weeks in a similar fashion.

I'll tell you what, you've made the right choice to go with injectables. They are so much healthier, don't wreak havoc on your lipids or liver like some orals, and the gains are better/more maintainable, and the neg sides are fewer. The pain (which is very little) of sticking a needle into your body is well-worth avoiding the negative sides of orals that can, in some cases, damage your health.

Good luck.

Hey powermad
I am on HRT and using 200mg/wk test cyp. I'm in the third week and was wondering if I should increase the dosage. Since reading your message I'll wait another two weeeks before deciding on any change. I had low libido and viagra was effective only sometimes. Libido has not gotten any better yet. My test was low in bloodwork results also. I will check with the Dr. about the lag time. Whatever amount I end up doing it will be for year to year perminantly. I want test up around 800-1000. HRT threads seem hesitant to talk about dosages.

Thanks for the general info