MSTEN/EPIANDRO Log

[sprintstar01]

Stats
Height: 5’8
Weight: 163.5lbs

Training History
I lifted for mainly power and strength for five years in college. I ran sprints (100m,200m, and relays). Since then, I lift to keep an athletic look. I want to stay lean, but I want to gain some good quality mass.


Doses will be:
Week 1••• 900mg Andro, 20mg Msten
Week 2••• 900mg Andro, 20mg Msten
Week 3••• 900mg Andro, 20mg Msten
Week 4••• 900mg Andro, 20mg Msten

PCT
Week 1••• 40mg Nolva, 3cap Erase
Week 2••• 20mg Nolva, 3cap Erase
Week 3••• 20mg Nolva, 2cap Erase
Week 4••• 10mg Nolva, 1cap Erase

Tossed around the idea of a SARM PCT...thoughts?

Daily Supplements

• Cycle Support
• Multi-Vitamin
• ZMA
• Opti-Green 50

Peri-Nutrition

• 8G BCAA
• 60G Carbs

Training

• Legs
• Chest/Arms
• Back
• Shoulders

I've been leaning towards a push/pull/leg type training method;however, I will stick with above during cycle

 

[boooosted]

I'll follow along here. I will be running DMZ/Epiandro soon so it should be similar. Are these both Vicious Labs?

 

[sprintstar01]

I'll follow along here. I will be running DMZ/Epiandro soon so it should be similar. Are these both Vicious Labs?

Yes they are. They have a high rep and good reviews, so I went with them. What #s are you going to be running?

 

[boooosted]

Yes they are. They have a high rep and good reviews, so I went with them. What #s are you going to be running?

30-45 DMZ. 900 Epi. I may bring the Epi out a few more weeks past the DMZ too but haven't decided yet. Also VL.

 

[Mzakif]

I can’t see any cycle support also u need to increase epi andro to 750 plus to reap its benefits and let it work as a test base

Good luck

 

[sprintstar01]

I can’t see any cycle support also u need to increase epi andro to 750 plus to reap its benefits and let it work as a test base

Good luck

I'll post by Cycle Support protocol. Figured it was just a given to most people on the forums haha. The caps are in 300mg increments, so I might just do an extra cap? Or do you think I should bump to 900mg?

 

[boooosted]

I would say 900 and spread the doses out. Another issue is the half life of Epiandro. You're going to want to space it out every 8-12 hours and you can't do that with just one cap. You're doing a 4 week cycle just dose it at 900 and that will take care of the bottle.

 

[Whisky]

Yep the epiandro at 300 is way low brother, 750 is really the minimum I’ve seen anyone get any benefits from but most run at 900+

Not sure it would really be enough to offset any lethargy from Msten but a 4 week run you should be able to push through anyway.

Don’t add a sarm in pct

 

[Mzakif]

I'll post by Cycle Support protocol. Figured it was just a given to most people on the forums haha. The caps are in 300mg increments, so I might just do an extra cap? Or do you think I should bump to 900mg?

I would go for 900 plus
Good luck

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 1 - Back

Dynamic Warm-up

• 400m jog
• Leg Swings x 10
• Dynamic stretching
• A-Skips
• B-Skips

Workout
Deadlift: 135x10,185x10,225x10,315x6,365x4

Machine Row(Single Arm): 45x12,90x10,135x10

Machine Pulldown(Single Arm): 45x12,90x10,135x10

Cable PullOver/DB Rows/Cable Row: 3 rounds

 

[sprintstar01]

I would say 900 and spread the doses out. Another issue is the half life of Epiandro. You're going to want to space it out every 8-12 hours and you can't do that with just one cap. You're doing a 4 week cycle just dose it at 900 and that will take care of the bottle.

Sounds good, I know people dose pre-WO for the boost in aggression. What times do you usually dose?

 

[sprintstar01]

I would go for 900 plus
Good luck

Thanks for the advice! I will dose at 900 and re-evaluate from there

 

[boooosted]

Sounds good, I know people dose pre-WO for the boost in aggression. What times do you usually dose?

I have not used it yet but I will be experimenting heavily with the dosage. I will try 3 split for a bit, 2 pwo 1 evening, 3 pwo, maybe even 4 pwo or split 2-2 if I up the dose.

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 2 - Legs

Workout

GHR: bodyweightx10,Greenbandx10,Greenbandx10

Safety Bar Squats: 70x10,120x10,140x10,190x8,250x6

RDL with Band at Hip: 135x10,225x10,315x6

Hack Squat + Single Pistol Squat: 2 rounds worked up to 4 45 plates total and 40lb DB with Orange band for pistol squat

Glute Work

 

[thaifoon90]

I'm doing the exact same cycle, msten + epiandro from VL, but for 6 weeks. Im almost finished with week 3 and really impressed with this stack. Good luck!

I've been taking 600mg epi preworkout, and then 300mg later in the day. Also experimenting with 900mg all at once preworkout. Not sure which I prefer yet.

 

[sprintstar01]

I'm doing the exact same cycle, msten + epiandro from VL, but for 6 weeks. Im almost finished with week 3 and really impressed with this stack. Good luck!

I've been taking 600mg epi preworkout, and then 300mg later in the day. Also experimenting with 900mg all at once preworkout. Not sure which I prefer yet.

What are your gains like so far?

I've been doing 600mg as well preworkout. I haven't felt much yet, but it's only been two days. My first dose is in the morning since I train after work.

 

[thaifoon90]

What are your gains like so far?

I've been doing 600mg as well preworkout. I haven't felt much yet, but it's only been two days. My first dose is in the morning since I train after work.

Huge increase in strength, a little increase in size, which makes sense since I read that msten is more for strength, while DMZ is suppose to give more size. I felt it really kick in around weeks 2-3.

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 4-Shoulders

Workout

Snatches: 45lbsx5,95x5,115x5

High Pull: 135x5,185x5,225x5

Barbell Press with Bands: Barx10,Redbandsx10,70+bandsx10,95+bandsx8,115+bandsx6

Cable Raises: 5lbsx12,10lbsx12,15lbsx6 dropset

Barbell front Raise+Incline DB Front Raise: 3 sets 30lb barbell and 7.5 dumbbells

Read Delt DB Raise +Rear Lateral Machine: 3 sets 20lb dumbbells and 100lb on Machine

 

[sprintstar01]

Progress Pics

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 5 - Chest/Bi

Workout

Incline DB Press: 30x20, 45x12, 55x12,70x12, 85x6, 85x6, 85x5 dropset 60x4 dropset 40x6

Foam Flys: 100x12, 130x10, 145x6 dropset 100x4

Machine Incline w/Band: bandx12, band+25x10, band+25x10

Preacher Curls: 45x12, 60x12, 75x10

Incline Cables Superset with Hammer Curls: 3 rounds

Hamstring work: 3 sets of seated curls and 3 sets DB RDLs

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 6 - Back (Thickness Emphasis) and Rear Delt

Workout


Cable row activation

Deadlifts:135x10, 185x10, 225x8, 275x8, 315x5(felt pretty heavy)
I probably did too much volume on the front end to go heavier...will adjust next workout

Barbell Rows: 95x12, 135x10, 185x6 with dropset from 135 to 95

Dumbbell Row: 50x12, 70x10, 90x8

Machine Row: 30x15,50x12(really just wanted to pump some blood in the muscle and get a little more volume in)

Cable Rear Delt Fly with band Pull-apart Superset: 3 rounds

 

[sprintstar01]

Week 1 In Review

Week 1 Review
Not much to note just yet, but I do have a few notes to jot down:

Mood and Aggression - haven't felt much yet from the EPI, but I think it takes a week or so to kick in. Currently a dose 300mg in the morning and 600mg pre-workout

Libido - No change

Strength - Nothing to write home about just yet, but I have been able to squeeze out a rep or two on certain lifts

Endurance - No change

Weight Changes - Still sitting at the same weight

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 7 - Arms w/ Side Delt

Workout

Note: I don't typically focus on just an arm day, but why not when enhanced?!

Dips: bodyweightx15,45x10, 70x10, 90x8,90x6 then 70x4 then 25x6 then bodyweightx10 for dropset

Hammer Barbell Curls: 45x12, 65x10, 85x8

Close-Grip Bench: worked up to 185x4

DB Curls with Straight-Bar Pushdowns Superset: 3 rounds


DB Side Raises with Cable Side Raises Superset: 3 rounds

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 8 - Legs

Workout

Full Dynamic Warmup

Power Clean from Knee: 45x3, 95x3, 135x3, 185x3

GHR: bodyweightx15,Greenbandx12,Greenband+10lbsx8

Front Squats: 45x15, 95x12,135x10,185x10, 225x2 then 185x4 then 135x4 dropset

RDL with Band at Hip: 135x12,225x10,315x8

Leg Press: 2 45lbs platesx15, 4 45lbs platesx12, 8 45 platesx8

Lunges: 2x10 steps at 30 lbs then 45lbs

Sled Work

 

[TheMovement]

Subd! Looking good so far and I’m happy to see conditioning involved. Interested to see what’s coming soon!

 

[sprintstar01]

Subd! Looking good so far and I’m happy to see conditioning involved. Interested to see what’s coming soon!

Thanks for joining Movement! I feel people do a disservice by not doing conditioning which on cycle. You can really get some quality work in while enhanced I believe.

 

[thaifoon90]

What sort of conditioning are you doing? I'm finishing up week 4 of msten/epiandro now and I feel it really kicking in (mostly strength + some size). Hopefully I don't get any sides for the last 2 weeks. I think my liver was aching a bit, but I read that just means you just need to drink more water so I did and it went away. No other sides so far.

 

[sprintstar01]

What sort of conditioning are you doing? I'm finishing up week 4 of msten/epiandro now and I feel it really kicking in (mostly strength + some size). Hopefully I don't get any sides for the last 2 weeks. I think my liver was aching a bit, but I read that just means you just need to drink more water so I did and it went away. No other sides so far.

As far as conditioning goes, I sprinkle in 3x a week hill sprints, sled pushes, and maybe some Tabata bike sessions. Mainly I am doing this because I love conditioning, keeping fat a bay, and for me is keeps me accountable to stay "athletic".

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 10 - Shoulders and Bis

Workout


High Pulls: worked up to 225x5


Band Seated Military Press: worked up to 2 sets of 95lbsx6


Cable Lateral Raises: 7.5lbsx12,12.5lbsx10,12.5lbsx10


DB Rear Delt/Machine Rear Delt/Cable Read Delt Tri-Superset: 3 rounds


Seated DB Lateral Raises: 10lbsx10,12lbsx10,15lbsx8

BB Front Raises/DB Incline Front Raises: 2 rounds

Machine Preacher Curls: worked up to 90lbsx8

Spider DB Curls: worked up to 20lbsx8

Conditioning

DB Farmer Walks: 1 minutes on 1 minutes off for 4 rounds 80lb DBs for 2 sets, 90lb DBs for 2 sets

 

[sprintstar01]

What sort of conditioning are you doing? I'm finishing up week 4 of msten/epiandro now and I feel it really kicking in (mostly strength + some size). Hopefully I don't get any sides for the last 2 weeks. I think my liver was aching a bit, but I read that just means you just need to drink more water so I did and it went away. No other sides so far.

What has your dosing been and what are your gains so far?

 

[thaifoon90]

What has your dosing been and what are your gains so far?

20/20/20/20/20/20 msten
600mg epiandro preworkout, 300mg later in the day, starting in week 3

I haven't maxed out my lifts because I read it's good to just train high volume on cycle, but I've been getting solid strength gains each workout; been adding 10 lbs per week to compound lifts, or 5 lbs for dumbbells. It's like having noob gains again. I'm around 5'7 and started at 160ish, and am around 170 now. I'm sure a lot of that is water, but I'm happy with the results so far. People at the gym who see me everyday are like WTF. I should have done more cardio/conditioning like you did though, I will keep that in mind for my next cycle.

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 12 - Back (Lat Emphasis) and Triceps

Workout

Machine Row: 40x15, 60x12,80x10

Pull-Ups: bodyweightx12, bw+25x8,bw+25x8

Trapbar Rows: 45x12, 95x10, 115x10 **went light on these


Cable Pulldown/Pullover Superset: 3 rounds working up to 130x10 on Pulldowns and 80x8 on the Pullover


DB Lying Triceps Extensions: 10x15,20x12,35x8


Close grip Bench: 45x12,95x10,115x8


Overhead Cable Triceps Extensions: 40x10, 60x10, 80x8


Glute Work


Conditioning

8x100m sprints with 1 min rest between sets

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 13 - Chest/Biceps/Hams

Workout

DB Incline Bench: Worked up to 2 sets of 80lbs at 10,8

Foam Roller Machine Fly: 60x12,100x10, 130x10


Band Barbell Bench: worked up to 1 set of 185x5 **chest was pretty fried at this point


Band Dips: Bandx10, band+25lbsx8, band+45lbsx8


Single Arm Preacher Curl: 10lbsx15, 20lbsx10, 35lbsx8

Machine Curl: 40x12,60x12, 80x12

Laying Hamstring Curl: 3 rounds of single leg

Conditioning

Steep Hill(30 meters): 8 sets with walk back rest

 

[AnabolicGuru]

Subbed. What’s your starting stats btw? Mainly curious about the big 3 lifts. I’ve ran msten and it was great, I think you’ll like it.

 

[BEAST73]

SUB!

 

[sprintstar01]

Day 21 - Back (Thickness) abd Rear Delt

Power Clean from Knee: worked up to 185x3(easy)

Deadlift: 185x10,225x10,315x8(felt really good), 365x6


Barbell Rows: worked up to 190x8(felt really good)


Close Grip Lat Pulldowns: 85x12, 115x12, 140x8


DB Rows: worked up to 100x6



DB Rear Delt w/ Reverse Machine Fly: 3 rounds

 

[sprintstar01]

Week 3 Review

Week 3 Review
Had a busy week last week traveling so I didn't get to train much. I am experiencing some positive changes that I will note below.

I am thinking about doing 6 weeks instead of 4. Thoughts? Seems like it's taking awhile to kick in

Mood and Aggression - Because I dose heavily prior to my workouts, I have noted some aggression in the gym which has been great for Leg Day and Deadlifts

Libido - Libido is still alive and kickin'. Seems like it's slight better at this point in time

Strength - Weights are starting to get easier which I was bump weight on lifts accordingly.

Endurance - No change

Weight Changes - I am about 2lbs. Even though the scale might not say the same, I look leaner and a lot heavier than a 2 pound increase. Mostly in my shoulders and back

 

[sprintstar01]

SUB!

Thanks for joining in!

 

[thaifoon90]

Week 3 Review
Had a busy week last week traveling so I didn't get to train much. I am experiencing some positive changes that I will note below.

I am thinking about doing 6 weeks instead of 4. Thoughts? Seems like it's taking awhile to kick in

Mood and Aggression - Because I dose heavily prior to my workouts, I have noted some aggression in the gym which has been great for Leg Day and Deadlifts

Libido - Libido is still alive and kickin'. Seems like it's slight better at this point in time

Strength - Weights are starting to get easier which I was bump weight on lifts accordingly.

Endurance - No change

Weight Changes - I am about 2lbs. Even though the scale might not say the same, I look leaner and a lot heavier than a 2 pound increase. Mostly in my shoulders and back

Do 6! I'm finishing up week 6 now and am glad I did the last 2. Wish it would never end.

 

[thaifoon90]

How's this going? Did you finish?

 

[elo76]

In for a final review. I'm running the exact same thing right now with the exception of the addition of 4 pumps of Dermacrine for now.

My last run of Epistane I had to ditch the Dermacrine for some Dermatrest because I felt like poo without it.