Lean gains and cuts

[Big boy D]

I finished my first cycle ever 6 weeks ago. I am so ready for my next one in two weeks. I did a bulk cycle on my last one. I didn't like it the last couple weeks. Just felt bloated and puffy. I want to try a good lean gains and cutting cycle. What is a good cycle?

 

[ManBeast]

How long was the cycle, and how long was the pct?

ManBeast

 

[festo2]

If you add proviron or winny to a bulk cycle you wouldnt bloat like a bubble ... A benefit of Proviron while on Test, i keeps free testosteron levels intact with the test ur using, thus preventing them from converting to estrogen

 

[Masciaman]

epi/h drol would be good for cutting up

 

[Big boy D]

If you add proviron or winny to a bulk cycle you wouldnt bloat like a bubble ... A benefit of Proviron while on Test, i keeps free testosteron levels intact with the test ur using, thus preventing them from converting to estrogen

That is what I am going to try. So I'm thinking test e, proviron,deca,tren. What do you think?

 

[Big boy D]

The cycle was 14 weeks. Pct was three weeks clomid, milk thistle. 3 weeks clean of anything.

 

[ManBeast]

so if you were on for 14 weeks, on pct for 3, you need to be off a total of 17 weeks to be truly safe. Going back on that soon is not a smart idea.

ManBeast

 

[machorox123]

Manbeast is rcorrect as usual.. Time off should equal time on..and Your pct looked way weak though..Yu should beef it up next time and run it for about a month.

 

[Big boy D]

What I don't understand is that pct came out from what I here, 9-10 years ago. You look at Arnold S. cycle and he did 20 week cycles of dbol and then only took 6 weeks off. No pct! And then right back on a twenty week cycle. He is the most talked about body builder. Why now is there so much about the pct. I have not felt much change off the roids except that I'm off the roids. Obvious difference, but not like omg I need clomid now!!! Sure I lost size and weight, but I'm better then when I started. So thats good right? This was my first cycle and really not any sides I can say we're real bad. A few pimples at the very end of my cycle but that's why you go off. I have some people say stay off the juice as long as you took it for like now and then people say stay on and coast through to the next cycle, and all in between. This cycle thing has been blown out of proportion over the last ten years is what it sounds like to me. Just like everything ells, it needs to be made harder then it is so that only the ones that really want it can find the answers. It's starting to make me question these forums even. Idk!!

 

[ManBeast]

We know a lot more about proper hormonal rebound and such these days. The "cruise and blast" where you never really come off applies more to those on TRT/HRT. I'm 100% sure that if Arnold knew what we know today, he would have done things differntly. Why use an x86-based computer when the i7 chip is available?

ManBeast

 

[machorox123]

What I don't understand is that pct came out from what I here, 9-10 years ago. You look at Arnold S. cycle and he did 20 week cycles of dbol and then only took 6 weeks off. No pct! And then right back on a twenty week cycle. He is the most talked about body builder. Why now is there so much about the pct. I have not felt much change off the roids except that I'm off the roids. Obvious difference, but not like omg I need clomid now!!! Sure I lost size and weight, but I'm better then when I started. So thats good right? This was my first cycle and really not any sides I can say we're real bad. A few pimples at the very end of my cycle but that's why you go off. I have some people say stay off the juice as long as you took it for like now and then people say stay on and coast through to the next cycle, and all in between. This cycle thing has been blown out of proportion over the last ten years is what it sounds like to me. Just like everything ells, it needs to be made harder then it is so that only the ones that really want it can find the answers. It's starting to make me question these forums even. Idk!!

all these new measures with cycling are for good reasons...back then it wasnt as much of a science as it is now..thats why arnold was 6'2" and 260 lbs and jay cutler is 5'9" sitting at 310 lbs in the off season

 

[Big boy D]

You would think with the pct being what they are today, you wouldn't have to wait three months to start another cycle. What exactly is the cruse and blast cycle anyways. I'm not to good with abreveations. I would much rather be on cycle 8 months out of a year, instead of six. I want to be healthy. I am seeing my doc tomorrow. He knows what I'm up to. We are going to run liver test. Is there some test I should ask for that may help me decide if I am going to wait another month?

 

[machorox123]

You would think with the pct being what they are today, you wouldn't have to wait three months to start another cycle. What exactly is the cruse and blast cycle anyways. I'm not to good with abreveations. I would much rather be on cycle 8 months out of a year, instead of six. I want to be healthy. I am seeing my doc tomorrow. He knows what I'm up to. We are going to run liver test. Is there some test I should ask for that may help me decide if I am going to wait another month?

pct gets your levels back to normal but you dont want your levels bouncing up and down like that which i think is the reasoning behind blasting and cruising...they cruise to so they could be "on" for 8 months out of the year with having theire hormones all over the place..you still eventually have to come off

 

[Big boy D]

So how do you do the blast and cruse?

 

[ManBeast]

I'm guessing its 6months of blasting and 6 months of cruising split up into 2-3 longer blasts.

ManBeast

 

[Big boy D]

I think what your saying is you go full tilt for three months and then cut you cycle in half or more for three months and so on?

 

[ManBeast]

in half or less dependnig on what your cycle was, trt for most is between 100 and 200mg/week if I remember right.

ManBeast

 

[Big boy D]

Trt ?

 

[ManBeast]

Testosterone Replacement Therapy/Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT)

 

[Big boy D]

So the test is what you coast on? I Hurd you can do boldenone also.

 

[ManBeast]

I'd rather coast on test honestly... It is what i'm "supposed" to have in my body.

ManBeast

 

[Big boy D]

Ok. So how would a cycle look if I had these to work with? Test e, tri test,prop,tren e, deca, bolder,dbol ???

 

[Big boy D]

Coast on test. I was talking to a gym buddy that Said he never goes off test. What's the deal? You can stay on test year round? How would that work?

 

[ManBeast]

Some do, but realistically staying "on" forever (unless you are doing TRT with a doctor's supervision) isn't advisable.

ManBeast

 

[Big boy D]

Ya I understand what your saying. This guy is only 22 and competes.

 

[ManBeast]

It is one thing if you are going for your pro card and working with specialists/professionals that can help you stay as healthy as possible, it is a completely different matter for us "casual" anabolic users.

ManBeast

 

[MrKleen73]

Bodybuilders do many a strange thing in the pursuit of the perfect physique. Blasting and Cruising is for those who are on TRT or are putting themselves on it. However for anyone wanting to have children it is not the best scenario. It completely shuts down your own test production.

 

[Big boy D]

So,, is that the real fear? Not having kids. I don't think he sees doctors and runs test on his liver. What ever they would do. Do you know how the cycles look on a Trt . Do you stay right on the test and just cycle in the deca or tren or boldenone or what ever for two- three months?? Is there anyone that knows?

 

[jaydollars]

Dude, we run PCT and take time off so we don't permanently crush our natural hormone levels, if you don't care about that, are ok with injecting for the rest of you life, the go on test for 8 months or never come off whatever

Do you want to have normal hormone levels, or do you not care, that's your decision

I would also ask a member about their trt experience, you might here some surprising feedback, it's not all guts and glory

 

[Big boy D]

Well, it sounds like you care man, but, at the same time say what everyone says that has no idea. Thanks tho! I don't know how much test alone can mess up your system if it's needed in your system anyways.

 

[Big boy D]

Jay! Is that you with the g string on? Just asking.....

 

[jaydollars]

Jay! Is that you with the g string on? Just asking.....

That's my women, palmala handerson

 

[Big boy D]

Anderson ? Send me one bro!