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- Age: 31
- Weight: 174 lbs

- Lifting exp.: Has been lifting on/off since 8th grade - never really followed any formal set/rep scheme until last November - was following Wendlers 5/3/1 & stopped after two cycles to work on my squat. Currently on 5th week of Russian Squat Program.

- Gear/Supps exp.: Having been in the 'game' for so long I've tried everything from sterols to real gear. Last run with the gear being in 2003. Have also ran numerous prohormones during/before that time. Most recently was on Halovar.

-- Current Cycle Plan --
[ attempt to minimalize shutdown and side effects]

Pulse Methasterone 10mg m/w/f for 5 weeks ( maybe 6 )
DHEA 50 mg on off days
Formadrol Extreme by LG during last 2 weeks on 'off days'
500mg Vit.C 2/day
5000 iu's Vit. D daily
multivitamin daily


-- PCT Plan --
[ Originally was not going to run pct ( a la Dr.D's Pulse Method ) but decided to run this to try & hold on to gains as much as possible. I did eventually order Nolva & it is in the mail. I figured I'll be using it eventually as this will not be my last run.

EstoSupress 20/20/20/20 ( will adjust if I 'feel' better or if I can get some bloodwork done to see where I'm at)
Titanium 2 caps/day
Liv52 DS
500mg Vit.C 3/day
5000 iu's Vit. D daily
multivitamin daily
 
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As it is, I'm in the 2nd week of my pulse.
- 1st workout 2/14/11:
--Squats (a.m. workout): 295lbs -2 sets x 5 reps; 300lbs 3 x 5
( Felt great. Although I feel as if my body's sensitive to things I ingest - today had to be a result of placebo effects, because I felt awesome in & out the gym )
--Flat Bench/chest (p.m. workout): 260lbs - 6x5
Dips: 1x15 bodyweight; 2x11 with 25 lbs
Pec deck: 3x10 80 lbs
( Not as explosive as I wanted to be on bench - left shoulder has been hurting for 2 weeks now. Will be lowering to 240 pounds for more reps. Nice pump in the chest. No good effects from my SD clone as of yet, but have been feeling slightly tired lately.

2nd workout 2/16/11:
Squats: 280: 6 x 2
( No thing yet. Didn't feel as awesome as 1st dose, but trying to be patient. Didn't do much as I'm still on the Russian Squat prog. where I'm squatting 3x/week. Ongoing fatigue; weak headaches now)

3rd workout 2/17/11:
Chest/shoulders:
Incline DB press- 3x11 60lbs
Seated chest press- 80 lbs/side 3x9
Push press- 1x3 115lbs, 3x3 135lbs
Lateral raise- 3x8 30lbs
BB shrugs- 1x11 225lbs, 2x10 245lbs
Voyer shrugs- 3x10 140lbs

(Off day today- felt weak w/ the incl.db.press. surprised with only 80lbs/side on chest press ( will be working on that if shoulder pain persists ). Everything else felt good though - no pain when push-pressing. Nice upper body pump, esp. in the traps.

4th workout 2/19/11
- (On today) Supposed to squat day, but nieces are at my place & can't get to the gym- so that means I'm watching them. No squat rack, so I decided to do deadlifts- which I haven't done in about a month. With deads, I just warm-up with 'feeler' reps - usually 2 to 3 just to find my groove.

-Deads 1x3 135; 2x2 185; 1x2 225; 3x1 245; 8x1 275

Fears came true. Totally sucked at deads today, but if anything felt good on my last few singles at 275lbs.
 
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dosed 20mgs @ ~11:30 - came stomping back up the stairs. Wife's car battery died. sh!t! at best she'll be home 2:00pm - so with the half-life of about 6 hours - i figure i'll be working with 5mgs..i think
 
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Nice man I love pulsing sd. Will be doing so again in 3 weeks. I'll be following
 
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cool! the more the merrier..ever done anything like this Tansui? well, here goes today's workout.

2/22/11
- 2nd week, 1st at 20 mg

Squats:135x2, 185x2, 225x2, 275x2 ( feeler sets )
- 325 2x3, 330 3x3 ( work sets )

Romanian Deadlift: 135 3x12

( Not a bad workout at all considering I had to wait 2 hours before hitting the gym after taking my pills. Not much of a pump, but I guess I can't expect much with the low volume of work I did. fwiw - i did those squats explosively & i felt i could've done a lot more, but i'm trying to stick with the squat program i'm on, which will be over next week. From there, back to 5/3/1. )

Side note: libido still good - reason: post dinner lovin'..ugghhhhh..hahha
 
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cool! the more the merrier..ever done anything like this Tansui?
No sir I'm pretty sure my next cycle will be a SD pulse so i'd like to see how you get on this. I've never done SD at all... I've seen SD pulses up to 30mg x3 per week so I kinda want to compare sides to pulse dosages so i can see if 20mg or 30mg dosages are worth the trouble
 
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i most likely will stay at 20 & i imagine it might take some time to see any benefits with anything while pulsing
 
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i most likely will stay at 20 & i imagine it might take some time to see any benefits with anything while pulsing
 
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2/24/11
Squat Workout
--Bodyweight: 178.0 (+4lbs)

- 275 3x2, 280 3x2

Lunges

- 20lb Db's 2x8

Jump squats

- 20 lb Db's 3x3

( knees are now a little sore - moreso on the left. can't say i really 'felt' anything today as far as the 20mg dosing is concerned - maybe i struggled less out of the bottom position of the squat, but that may be just my own effort. had/have still a good pump in the quads. not really feeling any sides either )
 
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Pulsed for 6 weeks put on 19lbs kept 15. No fat all lbm. Had no sides, ran at 20mg whole way through. Strength went from max 260 - 335 on bench. Have fun bro!
 
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thanks iballmike..ill be sure to have me some fun.. esp. when i switch up programs
 
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WS4SB - Upperbody workout

-pushups: 1x65
-dips: 1x30, 1x20

-pull-ups: 1x12
-pulldowns: 2x11 80 lbs

-db tricep extensions: 2x11 65 lbs
-db curls,seated: 3x8 40lbs

-db press,seated: 1x12 40lbs, 2x8 65 lbs

'Off day': Felt like working out today & wanted to try WS4SB. Felt good - was surprised i got the reps i did with the Db press. No struggle at all. So tempted to go on a "straight run" instead of 'pulsing' - but i figure i could stretch out the Superdrol this way. Libido still up - no headaches. Weight is holding at 178 lbs.
 
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2/27/11
- 20mg dose

-Squats: 245x2, 315x2, 345x2x2 [pr]
-Rack deadlifts (below knee): 185x8, 205x6, 295x4, 315x2, 345x2
-BB Step-ups: 3x6 55
-Hanging leg raises: 2x40

( Back pumps are more prominent. Strength gains - can't tell too much - maybe it's my fault - couldn't really find my 'groove' with the squats until the very last set where I felt that I could've done at least 2 more. Deads weren't too bad considering that I put them on the back burner since I started squatting 3x/week. Muscles 'appear' to be fuller. I'll see what this coming week holds as far strength/energy levels are concerned as I will be attempting a 365lb squat. Will be considering 30mg if this week at 20mg doesn't do anything.)
 
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so far..def. need to work that chest thickness & throw in some cardio
 

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welcome DarkHalf..
...anybody think the milk thistle encapsulated with the PH is interfering with absorption?

For the most part, I see people pre-loading and taking milk thistle post-cycle.
 

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ive always run milk thistle during my cycles, highly doubt this would interfere with the absorption.
 
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nice to know, ironrex. this is actually the 1st time with milk thistle for me. Tonight was 'Max Effort - Upper Body'

-Incline BB Press: 135x9, 185x9, 225x6, 245x3
-Hammer Strength Bench: 110x10, 140x8, 150x8, 160x7

-V-grip cable rows: 110x10, 140x8, 150x8, 160x7
-Chin-ups (bodyweight): curl grip x 9, pronated x 9, neutral x 9

Today I dosed 20mg. Tomorrow will be 'off' then Thurs & Fri 'on' with the weekend off, because I'll be in San Diego for reserve duty & family time. Tonight felt great! As I never really kicked off my chest workouts with inclines, I was surprised that I got the reps with 225. As it is, with all my pressing movements, I'm trying to accelerate each rep as fast as I could. I felt really good with the V-grips - I def. felt that I could've got in more sets with 160. Lastly, I didn't think i was gonna make 3 sets with the chins. Overall, the pump and tightness in my upperbody felt great! Sucks I gotta take tomorrow off.
 
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welcome DarkHalf..
...anybody think the milk thistle encapsulated with the PH is interfering with absorption?

For the most part, I see people pre-loading and taking milk thistle post-cycle.
Actually, I've always read that milk thistle can hurt the absorption of PHs (if you take them at the same time). Try to dose them separately. And taking your SD with some fats will also help with absorption.
 
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for the milk thistle, i've seen both arguments and for my capsules they're both mixed in (superdrol and milk thistle). i actually bought some grape fruit juice last night and had a cup with my pills. i know i prob shouldn't be drinking the juice with SD ( grapefruit juice contains a chemical that helps to enhance absoprtion ), but i figure i should be "fairly" ( fairly, because SD is known to be harmful to livers) safe since there is milk thistle in there. so maybe...the decreased absorption from the milk thistle has been countered by the juice?? either way, i felt great lastnight.
 
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for the milk thistle, i've seen both arguments and for my capsules they're both mixed in (superdrol and milk thistle). i actually bought some grape fruit juice last night and had a cup with my pills. i know i prob shouldn't be drinking the juice with SD ( grapefruit juice contains a chemical that helps to enhance absoprtion ), but i figure i should be "fairly" ( fairly, because SD is known to be harmful to livers) safe since there is milk thistle in there. so maybe...the decreased absorption from the milk thistle has been countered by the juice?? either way, i felt great lastnight.
GFJ will increase the absorption of the SD. Greater Absorption = bigger gains/worse side effects.

I'm not sure if the absorption of milk thistle will even be enhanced by the GFJ.

All methyl steroids are harmful to the liver. You can determine whether or not a steroid is a methyl by looking for the word methyl in it's nomenclature that's listed on the bottle.

Nomenclatures of SD:
2a, 17a-dimethyl-17?-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
2α, 17α-dimethyl-5α-androstane-3-one-17β-ol
2a,17a-Dimethyl-17?-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

See how it says Dimethyl? This means TWO methyl groups. Which means it's twice as toxic then most of your OTC orals that have just a single methyl group.
 
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GFJ will increase the absorption of the SD. Greater Absorption = bigger gains/worse side effects.

I'm not sure if the absorption of milk thistle will even be enhanced by the GFJ.

All methyl steroids are harmful to the liver. You can determine whether or not a steroid is a methyl by looking for the word methyl in it's nomenclature that's listed on the bottle.

Nomenclatures of SD:
2a, 17a-dimethyl-17?-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
2α, 17α-dimethyl-5α-androstane-3-one-17β-ol
2a,17a-Dimethyl-17?-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

See how it says Dimethyl? This means TWO methyl groups. Which means it's twice as toxic then most of your OTC orals that have just a single methyl group.
Thanks for lookin' out. I pretty much figured out that with the GFJ, I might be increasing the negative side-effects & doing nothing for increasing the potency for the milk thistle -- which what I was trying to do. I guess, my logic was that I'd use the GFJ to compensate for any malabsorption caused by the milk thistle ( if there is any ). If I do good with tomorrow's workout - w/o the GFJ - then I'll cut it out all together. I got a little impatient with the "kick-in" time with SD. I also really don't feel like going to 30mg either.

[Bodyweight today: 178.8]
 
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Thanks for lookin' out. I pretty much figured out that with the GFJ, I might be increasing the negative side-effects & doing nothing for increasing the potency for the milk thistle -- which what I was trying to do. I guess, my logic was that I'd use the GFJ to compensate for any malabsorption caused by the milk thistle ( if there is any ). If I do good with tomorrow's workout - w/o the GFJ - then I'll cut it out all together. I got a little impatient with the "kick-in" time with SD. I also really don't feel like going to 30mg either.

[Bodyweight today: 178.8]
I also failed to mention there is a cumulative effect w/GFJ. The more you use it, the better it works. You would see more benefit if you preload w/GFJ for two weeks before starting your cycle.
 

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GFJ will increase the absorption of the SD. Greater Absorption = bigger gains/worse side effects.

I'm not sure if the absorption of milk thistle will even be enhanced by the GFJ.

All methyl steroids are harmful to the liver. You can determine whether or not a steroid is a methyl by looking for the word methyl in it's nomenclature that's listed on the bottle.

Nomenclatures of SD:
2a, 17a-dimethyl-17?-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
2α, 17α-dimethyl-5α-androstane-3-one-17β-ol
2a,17a-Dimethyl-17?-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one

See how it says Dimethyl? This means TWO methyl groups. Which means it's twice as toxic then most of your OTC orals that have just a single methyl group.
Wow.. Don't mean to be rude.. but.. do you know anything about this? All methyls do not interfere with liver metabolism.. There is a reason that most chems are aa at the 17 position. For instance.. Masteron.. 17beta-Hydroxy-2alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-3-one propionate is not liver toxic.. but if it is methylated at the 17 position it produces a substance which is resistent to hepatic metabolism (which is called toxic because it cannot be easily broken down by the liver.) Superdrol.. Masteron is just an easy example because it is pretty much superdrol but there are many methylated steroids that are not liver toxic.. It is all about where the methyl group is attached..

Just want to help you in the future so you understand it..
 
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Wow.. Don't mean to be rude.. but.. do you know anything about this? All methyls do not interfere with liver metabolism.. There is a reason that most chems are aa at the 17 position. For instance.. Masteron.. 17beta-Hydroxy-2alpha-methyl-5alpha-androstan-3-one propionate is not liver toxic.. but if it is methylated at the 17 position it produces a substance which is resistent to hepatic metabolism (which is called toxic because it cannot be easily broken down by the liver.) Superdrol.. Masteron is just an easy example because it is pretty much superdrol but there are many methylated steroids that are not liver toxic.. It is all about where the methyl group is attached..

Just want to help you in the future so you understand it..
Not being rude at all. We are all here to learn.

I was under the impression that oral steroids were created to be 17aa methyl due to the fact that testosterone usually gets degraded in the first pass when taken orally (which is also why test is now an injection). And due to the 17aa this causes a slow degredation of the oral in the liver, which also causes a build up of the drug in the liver. Which in turn, leads to a toxic liver inflammation (hepatitis).

So my mistake was not being specific enough? I guess I just didn't say methylated at the 17th position - I wasn't implying everything with a methyl group is liver toxic. Correct me where I am wrong.
 
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Last workout of Russian Squat Program
- Dosed 20mg 60 mins pre-workout
- Weight: 178.8 lbs

Worked my way up & did singles and doubles with 135, 185, 245, 295, 325

365X3 [ Goal was to hit at least 1 - pretty sure I had 2 more in the tank ]

From the start, I felt I was gonna have a good workout. Felt confident with my warm-ups. I was getting out of the hole with a lot more 'pop'. Definite power/strength increase. Afterwards I did:

- High pulls: 135lbs 2x4
- 20-rep squats: 135 lbs 2x20

Incline Bench: 150x5, 185x5, 200x5
Dips: bodyweight 2x20
Decline Db press: 65's 2x12

Definitely had the " spirit is willing, but flesh is weak " syndrome going. The 20 rep squats got me feeling a bit nauseous, but they felt really light when doing them.
 

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Not being rude at all. We are all here to learn.

I was under the impression that oral steroids were created to be 17aa methyl due to the fact that testosterone usually gets degraded in the first pass when taken orally (which is also why test is now an injection). And due to the 17aa this causes a slow degredation of the oral in the liver, which also causes a build up of the drug in the liver. Which in turn, leads to a toxic liver inflammation (hepatitis).

So my mistake was not being specific enough? I guess I just didn't say methylated at the 17th position - I wasn't implying everything with a methyl group is liver toxic. Correct me where I am wrong.
no.. Your mistake was saying that it was twice as toxic because it was a dimethyl (2 methyls.) Only one of the methyl groups prevents hepatic breakdown.. For instance M1T (17a-methyl-1-androstene-17b-ol-3-one) is equally as liver toxic (or more so) and only has a single methyl group..

Enough of the hi-jack.. GREAT LOG SO FAR. Hope it kicks in hard.. Never pulsed before though so I am not sure how it is supposed to go..
 
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Thanks bubsnt3 & Xerbia! i never pulsed before too. It seems to work well, although it lagged the first couple weeks. I figure that I'll eventually do a straight run some time - 3 week-er possibly? Maybe not..depending how I do with this pulse. Again, I was trying not to jack my liver up on consecutive days. I figure with straight runs strength/mass gains are seen faster. And not that my squat numbers are amazing or anything, but I've never hit anything close to 365 and still feeling strong about doing more reps?? Sh!t, idk why I even stopped at 3 - I shoulda kept going.
I'm not even done with this & I'm already planning on stocking up for more runs. Definitely some SD clone; maybe m1-4ADD; and Pro-Stanivar. Most likely I'll be pulsing all those (separate runs, of course). Pro-Stan is 15mg,SD 25mg H-drol. Leaning strongly in going against the grain with this one and go E.O.D 2 caps/day. People are saying just buy extra H-drol and dose as needed. But with my way, I could get 2 full runs in a bottle. Was thinking of getting some Boladrol, but too many 'iffy' reviews.

* and no worries about the hi-jack - we're all here to learn *
 
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Good work pulsing so far, I have yet to see someone have a bad superdrol pulse, also seems peoPle keep most their gains too, any chance you getting bloodwork?
 
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thanks Jaydollars! for a blood test - we could just randomly ask our Doc? i know, kinda lame question - but i'm new to this city & haven't established the whole Dr.
& insurance paperwork yet.There's a thread on here that i still have to read concerning testing.

-i just saw that ur pulsing sum Bola, how's that going Jay? i've seen people going 50/50 with this
 
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You can just go to ANYLABTESTNOW if there is one near your location. They offer completely customizable blood tests w/o insurance and the results are disclosed only to you and only in the fashion you choose. I went there once and it was extremely quick and easy...
 
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Today was Deadlifts today - probably should've done this workout tomorrow (friday), but my wife is coming back from Fallon, Ca then we're headed to San Diego - but we both don't know when she's arriving.

Singles & doubles to 315 lbs.

[ Was tough - only got two. Dropped down to 265 and got 5. I guess that's what I get for doing deads after squats. Will be training deads weekly now as I'm of the Russian Squat Routine. ]

-Military Press
115 x 10, 125x8, 135x6, 115x3x3 [ focused on exploding weight up ]

-Shrugs
225 x 10, 265x2x8

- Rev. Fly machine
45x2x11
 
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Okay, so about 19 days in and after 10 doses I might cut this short. I just found out that I have an Army APFT next month and my weak spot is the 2 mile run. After almost 7 years of being in, I know that when I try to keep my deads and squats at fairly high numbers (for me, anyways) the recovery time for my knees and shins suck! As it is, I will be trying to get at least 3 days of running/week with whole body circuit training with 'light' weights.
- Maybe one more week e.o.d. dosing? I really don't want to quit this pulse, but it looks like I'm headed that direction. Shlt, if anything, i have a bottle of LG MMv3 lying around - maybe bridge into that to keep the intensity up with the workouts & run it all the way 'til my next drill-month.

summary so far..
- AndroShred works for me. Muscles feel fuller and my weight do go up 4lbs. It may be glycogen or water but we'll see.
- Intensity/strength/strength-endurance built-up slowly, but it did rise.
- Libido down just the very slightest bit. It was definitely there when it needed to be.
---> Bottom line as I see it: pulsing this compound makes for slower gains - keepable? That's what has been the verdict from I've gathered from so many hours of re-reading posts. Rarely, if any negative sides felt. Oh well, just got my tax refund & came up on a bag of Boladrol, m1-4add, and Pro-Stanivar. I'll be back in a couple months for another run.
 
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scratch that. volunteered to be a 'grader.' so i don't have to test til May. so with that news, I dosed 30mg yesterday.
- Chest workout:

-Incline bench: 135x11, 185x9, 205x8x2
-Dips:+45 lbs x 3x11
Chin ups: 3x12
- Hammer strenth bench: 180x11, 200x8, 210x6
- Rev. grip tricep pushdowns: 90x8x3

Workout felt good. Def, felt more aggressive in gym. Workout probably could've been better. Had a late breakfast and a small lunch. Arms and chest felt pumped and swollen - def. more noticeable.
 
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So..after much debate [ with myself ] i decided to forgo the 30mg pulse and go into a Boladrol pulse. SD -> Boladrol bridge i guess u could call it. will be doing a 3 week pulse - did 20mg today; 20 planned for tomorrow; friday off then back 'on' on Saturday followed by e.o.d. at 6mg.

Today's dose at 4mg.: felt nothing - didn't expect too. Figured I should be farly safe, seeing as how I only dosed 10 or 11 times with the Sd clone. I got Nolva on hand, as well as the Titanium [ t-booster ]. Libido has not been an issue.

Has anybody seen any timing protocols with Bola? I usually take my pills an hour before workouts. But I've read where a user is finding better results at 2-4 hours pre w.o.
 
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Deadlift day
Bodyweight: 181.0 lbs
6 mg dose Boladrol: 70 mins pre-workout

Deads:135x8, 185x4, 225x4, 275x2, 315x5
1 legged horizontal leg press @ bodyweight 3x10
Leg curls: 65x12, 85x10, 85x8

Didn't 'feel' too much today in terms of pump or strength - I also need to fix my routine so that I'm not doing deads after legs. Will be upping to 6mg Sunday. If only those tablets came in 4mg instead of 2..hopefully soon.
 

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Good log so far. So Im kicking off my Androshred cycle off today. So you think it wasnt worth it, gains and strenght wise?
 
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I guess it all boils down to perspective. With my first time using this compound, I wanted to be a little on the safe side as i read-up a lot on it before i started it. Stories of bad lethargy, lowered libido, difficult recovery/pct's and delayed gyno is what steered me to 'pulse' rather than 'straight-run' it. I'm 7 pounds up - 7 lbs of 'what' though? idk. My muscles are definitely more full and round. It took a couple weeks for the fullness to stay - meaning: I stayed pumped longer after the gym. My wife has been telling me a lot more often that i'm getting bigger & heavier. I barely felt any negative effects. Slightest libido drops with fatigue, but nothing bad at all.
- Strength-wise...It had to have helped a little. I mean, I don't know how being 'on' SD is supposed to feel, but it got me through some tough, low-rep squat workouts. I was squatting 3x/week. Maybe it didn't help I was on a program that didn't allow much flexibility in terms of letting me have more variety in my workouts that would've led to me 'feeling' the SD work. I will try a straight-run next time so that I can compare both runs.

Bottom line:
-Gains - in terms of size: 7/10. I'm up 7 lbs.
-Strength: 6/10 [ guessing a product of improper workout schedules; not enough carbs preworkout ]
-Intensity: 8/10 -- I got in the gym and I wanted to workout. I was ready to go.

Lastly, if you do a pulse, keep a number-track of your doses. So that way, after two weeks in and maybe 6 to 8 doses later, you can evaluate your progress. I use 6-8 doses to show that that's 1 week under a straight run. If you don't feel that you're not going anywhere - try maybe another dose & if you don't like what your seeing/feeling - switch to a straight run. After 6-8 doses ( which equates to a week total in straight run ) you can 'safely' switch from a pulse to a straight run for another 2 to 3 weeks.
 

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Good Advice and results. I suppose pulsing does have its downside. If I didnt have a gf, I wouldve ran it straight, but she said she wont stand around me if I cycle again :_ .. and ive had some irratic temper while on Hdrol, dont even want to see what im like on SD :p

I will definately see how I feel after 6-8 doses, but so far im feeling pretty good. Last 2 workouts have been really nice, hoping it keeps up.
 
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Wow. She said she'd leave?? Damn. I pulsed highly for the libido reason.
 

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Wow. She said she'd leave?? Damn. I pulsed highly for the libido reason.
Haha not really leave, but give me more sh*t than regular..Which is already enough :p So far my libido hasnt changed, but thats what I have the 4-AD for also decided to pop some DHEA 50mg x2 a day in addition, taking a queue from your stack.

That was also one of the reasons I pulsed also, need to keep it working..
 
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