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Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 9:39 am Post subject: M1T cycle after LONG Keto cycle
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Background: This time last year I came off a keto cycle. I cycled with 1AD and PCT with 6 oxo. I did 2 cycles, 10 days (included 2 weekends) on and 4 weeks off. Prior to the Keto cycle (5 months) I was 187 with 16.7% BF and a 35.5" waist - the waist (love handles was the driving force behind the diet.) I was suprised of how low my weight had to drop to get my waist below my goal of 31.5" inches. I lost lots of muscle, strength but lots of fat. I ended the keto cycle as follows: weight 153 pounds, waist at 31.25", body fat 7.2%. I still had a little fat on my lower back - rear portion of the love handles. After the first 10 day cycle I was 175lbs with a 32.0" waist. Now remember, I just came off a keto diet which by nature reduces one's water weight to it's bare minimum. No carbs, no water weight. After the second cycle I was 185 lbs with a 33.5" waist. Unfortunately, by the end of the summer I was back at the original starting point 190 lbs with a 35.5" waist. I failed to diet properly! I was however the strongest I've ever been in my life.
Fast foward: I have just ended another long keto cycle: Current stats:
First thing in the morning "cold"
Age 41
Weight: 149lbs - I can't believe how low I had to go to hit my waist goal
Waist (fattest part): 30.0" - YES! My new goal was met
BF: 5.7% Chest 1MM, Thigh 6MM, Stomach 9MM,
Measurements: R. arm 13.875", Chest 40.0", R. thigh 20.25"
Time to get busy!
Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:22 am Post subject: Dose and routine - comments please
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This time around I plan on gaining slower and dieting harder. My end of the summer goal is 185lbs with a 31.5" waist.
First 16 days (includes 3 weekends): 5.0mg M1t one time ED in morning
Next 19 days: nolva ml/day - 6,6,4.5,4.5,3,3,3,3,2,2,2,2,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1,1,1
Calories/day on: day 1-7 2400, day 8-14 2700, day 15&16 3000
Calories off: 2400/day
6 meals with 30 -35 grams of protien each meal. Carbs only pre, during & post work out.
Workout schedule: 2 day split on weekends, off mon & fri, on tue, wed, thur
Comments: starting with low dose as my body weight/lean mass is very low. Could bump it up on second weekend if needed. Coming off a keto diet where I ate between 1800 & 2000 calories/wk so 2400 is a good starting point. Carbs will be limited to 150g /day. The rest is protein and good fats. This is where my latest keto diet is helpful as I have already developed the discipline and taste for "good" fats.
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Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: Day 1- 05/29/04
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Decided on taking 7.5mg of M1T for first 2 days then stay at 5 mg the remainder of the week. Reason: first two days start off with a 2 day split routine and carbs for the first time since my last one day carb cycle two weeks ago - I want to minimize any fat gain. Roughly 4-5 hrs after my first M1T dose, I noticed a strange taste in my saliva and my hands had a smell very similar to, but somewhat stronger than, the first time I cycle 1AD last year....It's in there.
Worked-out Chest in AM, Shoulders and Triceps PM.
Hungry all day - really craved the carbs the entire day after getting a taste of them pre and post workouts. Last two meals were good protein and fat with no carbs. Consumed 200 grams of carbs. Feel fuller as the carbs are holding some water. I usually gain 5-6 pounds of water on carb-up days during my Keto cycles and then lose all the water 4-5 days later. I expect to gain 6-8 lbs of water the next two days and then level off.
Feel a little tired - carbs and 2 day split or M1T? Towards the end of my 2nd 1AD cycle last year, I was very tired. I have LGP 4AD+ in waiting, but I really wanted to do this first cycle with only M1T to "test" the product and minimize water weight. Carbs plus 4AD would easily result in 10-12 pounds of water the first week.
Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject: Day 2
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Stats:
Weight: 153 lbs +4 lbs - 100% water weight due to introduction of carbs.
Waist: 30.25" +0.25" - "
I just finished the second workout of my two day weekend split. I was extremely tired today and needed a boost for my second workout. I drank roughly 40oz of coffee. It got me going. Had a decent workout. The "hot" coffee raised my core temp and in combination with the caffeine I sweated through the entire workout.
No real "pumps" to speak of but that will change soon as my muscles are just begining to uptake glycogen after the long Keto diet and I'm slowly raising my daily calories. One needs to increase carbs/calories gradually after Keto as the propensity for glycogen "spilling over" into the fat cells is high. Rest day tomorrow. I'm going to try and limit carbs to less than 5 grams. Tuesday - Thursday: 2 no carb meals in a.m., an apple at work around12:00 noon, 30 minutes later a light glycogen depleation workout (small gym at work) for the targeted muscle groups and then eat two 450 cal (75g carb/35g protein) meals before I go home. "Heavy" workout at home for the same targeted body parts and post workout another 75/35 meal. Before bed it's a 450 calorie no carb shake as follows: 70 cc of whole egg protein powder + 95cc of calcium caseinate + 1 tbls flax oil: 55g slow releasing protein + 25g of fat.
Target calories for Tues-Thurs is 2700/day with 250g carbs, 175g protein and 145g "good" fats. 3 Protein + Fat meals, 3 Protein + Carb meals, 1 apple prior to glycogen depleation workout. M1T at 7.5mg/day - feels like to right dose for me.
Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 8:11 am Post subject: Day 3
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 154lbs +5 lbs
Waist 30.5" + 0.5"
Today is a rest day and I will limit carbs to less than 5 grams. I expect to lose some of the water weight gained the past two days but hopefully with the addition of M1T, high calories and protein, my muscles recoup. I am very sore - a good feeling.
Other supplements I am taking:
M1T 7.5mg first thing in the morning
4 LEF multivitamin caps with each meal
Hawthorn Berry 550 mgs 4 times/day
Milk thistle 150 mgs last two meals of day
ALA 250 mgs prior to each carb meal
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:27 pm Post subject: Day 4
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 155lbs +6 lbs
Waist 30.5" + 0.5"
I thought for sure I would lose one lb or maybe two vs. the previous day from not consuming carbs over the past 30 hours. I have never gained weight on a zero carb days. Must be M1T. My workout this evening was the best I have had in 6 months. Pumps were a 7/8 on a scale of 1-10. Strength was unbelieveable. I still can't get over the weight moved vs. my last workout. I did need a kick start as I was not in a workout mindset. Two cups of Jo got me going. Even though the pumps were better than average, the thing that differentiates them from the normal pump is the duration. It has been 1 hour and a post workout shake later and my muscles still feel "full".
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject: Day 5
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 156.5lbs +7.5 lbs
Waist 30.5" + 0.5"
I am was up another 1 1/2 lbs this morning...this is crazy as I have really been watching what I am eating. Not like last year's 1AD cycle where I put on 20 lbs in a little less than 2 weeks - coming straight out of 4 months of Keto diet. I am still limiting carbs to pre and post workout meals only. Keeping calories around 2700/day.
Tonight's workout was just O.K. I was looking forward to it all day and I was disappointed in the results and lack of intense pumps. Strength was up a tad. Yesterday's workout was just the opposit. Initially, it was hard to get motivated but once it got going, it took on a life of its own (good pumps and fantastic strength) and turned out to be one of the best workouts this year. Every workout is different. Let's see what tomorrow brings. I am going to get a solid 8 hours of shuteye tonight.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:48 pm Post subject: Day 6
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 157.5lbs +8.5 lbs
Waist 30.75" + 0.75"
Up 1 lb from yesterday. This morning I awoke around 1:00 am mildly hungry. I made a quick shake and back to bed with a full belly. Waist measured slightly over 30.5" so I rounded up. I do look smooth in the midsection. Not cut like I did coming off of Keto. The weight gain, 8.5 lbs in only 6 days, is a little too fast for my liking. I know there is muscle gain, but probably equal gains of water and fat. Tomorrow is a rest and carb free day. Depending what I weigh Saturday morning will decide on if I cut back slightly on the calories. Also, if my waist ever measures over 30.75" during this cycle, I will immediately reduce pre and post workout carbs by 50%.
Today's workout was good (legs) - very strong. I am very impressed with the strength gains from M1T. So far no sides to speak of...maybe a little lethargy but nothing major.
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject: Day 7
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 157.5lbs +8.5 lbs
Waist 30.75" + 0.75"
Finally, a day where I don't gain weight vs the previous day. I expect the same or possibly 1/2 pound reduction tomorrow morning as today was a no carb rest day. I have eaten every 2 1/2 hours to 3 hours but I can tell I am losing water (too many trips to the bathroom). It would be nice to see the waist measurement slip at or below the 30.5" mark tomorrow morning as well. I am looking forward to this weekend's two day splits and will probably add 2.5mg of M1T before the afternoon workouts.
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Background: This time last year I came off a keto cycle. I cycled with 1AD and PCT with 6 oxo. I did 2 cycles, 10 days (included 2 weekends) on and 4 weeks off. Prior to the Keto cycle (5 months) I was 187 with 16.7% BF and a 35.5" waist - the waist (love handles was the driving force behind the diet.) I was suprised of how low my weight had to drop to get my waist below my goal of 31.5" inches. I lost lots of muscle, strength but lots of fat. I ended the keto cycle as follows: weight 153 pounds, waist at 31.25", body fat 7.2%. I still had a little fat on my lower back - rear portion of the love handles. After the first 10 day cycle I was 175lbs with a 32.0" waist. Now remember, I just came off a keto diet which by nature reduces one's water weight to it's bare minimum. No carbs, no water weight. After the second cycle I was 185 lbs with a 33.5" waist. Unfortunately, by the end of the summer I was back at the original starting point 190 lbs with a 35.5" waist. I failed to diet properly! I was however the strongest I've ever been in my life.
Fast foward: I have just ended another long keto cycle: Current stats:
First thing in the morning "cold"
Age 41
Weight: 149lbs - I can't believe how low I had to go to hit my waist goal
Waist (fattest part): 30.0" - YES! My new goal was met
BF: 5.7% Chest 1MM, Thigh 6MM, Stomach 9MM,
Measurements: R. arm 13.875", Chest 40.0", R. thigh 20.25"
Time to get busy!
Posted: Sat May 29, 2004 10:22 am Post subject: Dose and routine - comments please
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This time around I plan on gaining slower and dieting harder. My end of the summer goal is 185lbs with a 31.5" waist.
First 16 days (includes 3 weekends): 5.0mg M1t one time ED in morning
Next 19 days: nolva ml/day - 6,6,4.5,4.5,3,3,3,3,2,2,2,2,1.5,1.5,1.5,1.5,1,1,1
Calories/day on: day 1-7 2400, day 8-14 2700, day 15&16 3000
Calories off: 2400/day
6 meals with 30 -35 grams of protien each meal. Carbs only pre, during & post work out.
Workout schedule: 2 day split on weekends, off mon & fri, on tue, wed, thur
Comments: starting with low dose as my body weight/lean mass is very low. Could bump it up on second weekend if needed. Coming off a keto diet where I ate between 1800 & 2000 calories/wk so 2400 is a good starting point. Carbs will be limited to 150g /day. The rest is protein and good fats. This is where my latest keto diet is helpful as I have already developed the discipline and taste for "good" fats.
Back to top
Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 6:44 am Post subject: Day 1- 05/29/04
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Decided on taking 7.5mg of M1T for first 2 days then stay at 5 mg the remainder of the week. Reason: first two days start off with a 2 day split routine and carbs for the first time since my last one day carb cycle two weeks ago - I want to minimize any fat gain. Roughly 4-5 hrs after my first M1T dose, I noticed a strange taste in my saliva and my hands had a smell very similar to, but somewhat stronger than, the first time I cycle 1AD last year....It's in there.
Worked-out Chest in AM, Shoulders and Triceps PM.
Hungry all day - really craved the carbs the entire day after getting a taste of them pre and post workouts. Last two meals were good protein and fat with no carbs. Consumed 200 grams of carbs. Feel fuller as the carbs are holding some water. I usually gain 5-6 pounds of water on carb-up days during my Keto cycles and then lose all the water 4-5 days later. I expect to gain 6-8 lbs of water the next two days and then level off.
Feel a little tired - carbs and 2 day split or M1T? Towards the end of my 2nd 1AD cycle last year, I was very tired. I have LGP 4AD+ in waiting, but I really wanted to do this first cycle with only M1T to "test" the product and minimize water weight. Carbs plus 4AD would easily result in 10-12 pounds of water the first week.
Posted: Sun May 30, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject: Day 2
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Stats:
Weight: 153 lbs +4 lbs - 100% water weight due to introduction of carbs.
Waist: 30.25" +0.25" - "
I just finished the second workout of my two day weekend split. I was extremely tired today and needed a boost for my second workout. I drank roughly 40oz of coffee. It got me going. Had a decent workout. The "hot" coffee raised my core temp and in combination with the caffeine I sweated through the entire workout.
No real "pumps" to speak of but that will change soon as my muscles are just begining to uptake glycogen after the long Keto diet and I'm slowly raising my daily calories. One needs to increase carbs/calories gradually after Keto as the propensity for glycogen "spilling over" into the fat cells is high. Rest day tomorrow. I'm going to try and limit carbs to less than 5 grams. Tuesday - Thursday: 2 no carb meals in a.m., an apple at work around12:00 noon, 30 minutes later a light glycogen depleation workout (small gym at work) for the targeted muscle groups and then eat two 450 cal (75g carb/35g protein) meals before I go home. "Heavy" workout at home for the same targeted body parts and post workout another 75/35 meal. Before bed it's a 450 calorie no carb shake as follows: 70 cc of whole egg protein powder + 95cc of calcium caseinate + 1 tbls flax oil: 55g slow releasing protein + 25g of fat.
Target calories for Tues-Thurs is 2700/day with 250g carbs, 175g protein and 145g "good" fats. 3 Protein + Fat meals, 3 Protein + Carb meals, 1 apple prior to glycogen depleation workout. M1T at 7.5mg/day - feels like to right dose for me.
Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 8:11 am Post subject: Day 3
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 154lbs +5 lbs
Waist 30.5" + 0.5"
Today is a rest day and I will limit carbs to less than 5 grams. I expect to lose some of the water weight gained the past two days but hopefully with the addition of M1T, high calories and protein, my muscles recoup. I am very sore - a good feeling.
Other supplements I am taking:
M1T 7.5mg first thing in the morning
4 LEF multivitamin caps with each meal
Hawthorn Berry 550 mgs 4 times/day
Milk thistle 150 mgs last two meals of day
ALA 250 mgs prior to each carb meal
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 8:27 pm Post subject: Day 4
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 155lbs +6 lbs
Waist 30.5" + 0.5"
I thought for sure I would lose one lb or maybe two vs. the previous day from not consuming carbs over the past 30 hours. I have never gained weight on a zero carb days. Must be M1T. My workout this evening was the best I have had in 6 months. Pumps were a 7/8 on a scale of 1-10. Strength was unbelieveable. I still can't get over the weight moved vs. my last workout. I did need a kick start as I was not in a workout mindset. Two cups of Jo got me going. Even though the pumps were better than average, the thing that differentiates them from the normal pump is the duration. It has been 1 hour and a post workout shake later and my muscles still feel "full".
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject: Day 5
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 156.5lbs +7.5 lbs
Waist 30.5" + 0.5"
I am was up another 1 1/2 lbs this morning...this is crazy as I have really been watching what I am eating. Not like last year's 1AD cycle where I put on 20 lbs in a little less than 2 weeks - coming straight out of 4 months of Keto diet. I am still limiting carbs to pre and post workout meals only. Keeping calories around 2700/day.
Tonight's workout was just O.K. I was looking forward to it all day and I was disappointed in the results and lack of intense pumps. Strength was up a tad. Yesterday's workout was just the opposit. Initially, it was hard to get motivated but once it got going, it took on a life of its own (good pumps and fantastic strength) and turned out to be one of the best workouts this year. Every workout is different. Let's see what tomorrow brings. I am going to get a solid 8 hours of shuteye tonight.
Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:48 pm Post subject: Day 6
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 157.5lbs +8.5 lbs
Waist 30.75" + 0.75"
Up 1 lb from yesterday. This morning I awoke around 1:00 am mildly hungry. I made a quick shake and back to bed with a full belly. Waist measured slightly over 30.5" so I rounded up. I do look smooth in the midsection. Not cut like I did coming off of Keto. The weight gain, 8.5 lbs in only 6 days, is a little too fast for my liking. I know there is muscle gain, but probably equal gains of water and fat. Tomorrow is a rest and carb free day. Depending what I weigh Saturday morning will decide on if I cut back slightly on the calories. Also, if my waist ever measures over 30.75" during this cycle, I will immediately reduce pre and post workout carbs by 50%.
Today's workout was good (legs) - very strong. I am very impressed with the strength gains from M1T. So far no sides to speak of...maybe a little lethargy but nothing major.
Posted: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:07 pm Post subject: Day 7
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Stats this morning cold:
Weight: 157.5lbs +8.5 lbs
Waist 30.75" + 0.75"
Finally, a day where I don't gain weight vs the previous day. I expect the same or possibly 1/2 pound reduction tomorrow morning as today was a no carb rest day. I have eaten every 2 1/2 hours to 3 hours but I can tell I am losing water (too many trips to the bathroom). It would be nice to see the waist measurement slip at or below the 30.5" mark tomorrow morning as well. I am looking forward to this weekend's two day splits and will probably add 2.5mg of M1T before the afternoon workouts.