P-Plex Epistane Bridge Cycle
01-15-2008 04:40 PM
P-Plex Epistane Cycle-LOG
plan on running a 6 week cycle, of epistane and P-plex....
Week 1- Phera 15mg
Week 2- Phera 30mg
Week 3- Phera 30mg/Epi 20mg
Week 4- Phera 30mg/Epi 40mg
Week 5- Epi 40mg
Week 6- Epi 40mg
post cycle therapy
Week 7- Nolva 40mg, 6-OXO, E-Form
Week 8- Nolva 40mg, 6-OXO, E-form
Week 9- Nolva 20mg, 6-OXO, E-form
Week 10- Nolva 10mg, 6-OXO, E-form
Im also taking.........AX Perfect Cycle Liver Support, Milk Thistle, Fish oil, Flax Seed Oil, Niacin, Red Yeast Rice, B6, Mulit-Vitamin, Co-Q-10, and ZMA at night.
Im 23 5'7 200lbs about 14%bf, I have done quite a bit of cycles in the past. Ill keep you guys updated.
I drink about 2 gallons of water a day, and I take about 300g of protien a day. I also take a Kreation shake pre-work out
I lift 5 days a week, and I still do about 20-30 min of cardio 3-4 days a week
Like I said, some feed back would be great and any pointers would be appreciated.
New Cycle Posted Below
01-15-2008 08:24 PM
Any reason youre starting with the p-plex instead of the epi? Wouldnt you wanna be shut down at the end of the cycle rather then the beginning?
01-15-2008 10:49 PM
I was told that for the best gains, it would be best to start with the P Plex, and ebd with the epi. Because P plex gains are kind of wet, and the epi would dry me out at the end of the cycle
01-16-2008 09:47 AM
After MUCH debate with friends Ive decided to do the following
Week 1- Epi 20mg(M-F) 10mg(S-S)/Phera 30mg(M,W,F) 15mg(S-S)/Formadrol 2x (ED)
Week 2- Same
Week 3- Epi 30mg(M-F) 10mg(S-S)/Phera 45mg(M,W,F) 15mg(S-S)/Formadrol 2x (ED)
Week 4- Same
Week 5- Epi 20mg(M-F) 10mg(S-S)
Its pretty much running the epi all the way amd pulsing the Phera, so im pretty excited, Ill keep you all updated
Then above post cycle therapy
01-16-2008 10:27 AM
Cool, I started my phera/epi as a pulse, but chickened out on day 10. I'll be curious about this.
01-16-2008 12:16 PM
Why what happened on day 10???.....Im pretty excited, I have my nolva on hand in case the oh shi* factor happens....haha. But Im running the formadrol to keep things under control.
01-16-2008 12:19 PM
I lift at 5 am so I taking 15 phera and 20 epi pre workout. When I bump it to 30 epi, im going to take 20 pre and 10 after dinner sometime. Im taking it after dinner because I lift so early I think id be an overload to take it at bed time. What do ya think?
Your log says you got up to day 19....
Oh ya, I hope I can look as good as you when im 30..haha
01-16-2008 01:47 PM
I'm on day
Re: Why what happened on day 10???.....
I switched for three reasons:
1) I didnít know where to locate a SERM. That problemís been solved.
2) The first week I was on vacation and could work out early and have a lot of the Pheri out of my system by night. On work days I donít get out of the gym until 6:00 pm and it started to aggravate my insomnia.
3) The pulsed phera logs where a mixed success. Iíve had my share so/so cycles and Iím getting to old to be wasting time.
Re: I lift at 5 am so I taking 15 phera and 20 epi pre workout. When I bump it to 30 epi, im going to take 20 pre and 10 after dinner sometime. Im taking it after dinner because I lift so early I think id be an overload to take it at bed time. What do ya think?
Lifting at 5: am, God bless you. I canít look at weight before noon.
Iím not sure what youíre saying. 5:00 am 15 phera and 20 epi to start. Later on followed by 10 mg after dinner? Iíd be inclined to 15 phera pre wo, 20 epi post wo, 10 mg right before dinner. But I donít really know. I agree, I wouldnít take a DS at bed time, if only because it would keep me up all night.
I may go up to 45 mg of Phera, but its day 21 and Iím still cranked enough on 30. You may want to keep it to 30 if youíre having good results. Just a thought, not a requirement.
Since youíre pulsing, and done cycles before, unless youíre having issues, Iíd keep an open mind for an extra week. But then again, I can get a little carried away.
Re: Oh ya, I hope I can look as good as you when im 30..haha
Thanks. My wifeís a big help, she knew what she was getting into when she married me so I rarely get any arguments about this stuff. I have been pushing the envelope with the sups though. Besides, 5'7 200lbs about 14%bf sounds pretty good to me (probably better than I was at 23), and you have at least 30 yrs to go.
01-16-2008 01:55 PM
with the epi youll want to take it earlier then before or after dinner, especially given you workout so early your totally set up to make the most of the Epi without as much shutdown if you dose it right.
your body produces a majority of its natural test during the night and if you still have exogenous hormones floating around like epi then this will inhibit test production cause your body will see it as being unnecassary. So since epi has a shorter half life of 6-8 hours your best bet would be to take the 20mg preworkout (at least an hour to 45 min before if you can handle it and with grapefruit juice) and then take the last 10mg round noon to 2 in the aft. that way by 8 oclock your body will be free of all the epi and you will still produce more natty test, all of this is benificial and synergistic since youll still have more test and will be less shutdoown come the end of your cycle. good luck an dhit me up if you got any questions.
01-16-2008 02:04 PM
I jsut went and reread to confirm what i already knew and just wanted to let you know that your epi and phera stack may not be the most synergistic one.... they both illicit diff effects one being more wet the other more dry but when it comes down to the A:A profile they both have a VERY high anabolic to androgenic profile leading me to belive that they may have some competition with eachother for the receptor sites.... specially given that epi has a VERY strong affinity to bind to the androgen receptor site i would think youd be best served to staggar your doses of the epi and phera and NOT take them together.... id probally start with the phera in the morn preworkout and then take the epi immediately following your workout then do the same for your afternoon dose taking the phera about an hour or two before the epi. again good luck, interested to see what my 2 favorite solo compounds will do when stacked.
01-16-2008 02:53 PM
Ok so, 15mg phera at about 430, then 10mg of epi postworkout. Then a noon take 15 phera, and 2ish 10mg of epi???
Should I take anything before bed???
I am taking ZMA before bed....
01-16-2008 03:02 PM
Here is some precycle #'s for you guys
Chest- 46 in
Daily Intake #'s-
Cals-Around 3,000 Fats-Under 95g Carbs-220g Protien-300g
01-16-2008 03:07 PM
i'll be interested to see how this one works out. I have some original ax pheraplex "laying around", as well as epistane
01-16-2008 03:07 PM
But im pulsing, 30mg of phera 3 days a week, M, W, F
And Im taking Epi everyday
So On M W F, I was taking-
15mg phera and 20mg epi preworkout
15mg phera at lunch, and 15mg of phera before bed.
Then when I up the epi, I'll take 20mg of epi pre,and 10mg post
I want to benefit as much as possible when I lift, Thats why i was taking both pre
01-16-2008 03:09 PM
Ill try it out and see what happens, Like above im taking EVERYTHING i need to while on a cycle and I have a quality SERM on hand.
01-16-2008 03:21 PM
EZ you lucky bastage!!! ive seen it at a few sites and been so tempted to pick it up but i dont know how ligitimate those sites are.... i envy you brother AX's was unmatched IMO
Originally Posted by EasyEJL
01-16-2008 03:22 PM
take the ZMA thats perfect. nothing else though and definately not the phera or epi
Originally Posted by Regsmizer45
01-16-2008 03:24 PM
when you bump to 45 mg take 30mg preworkout, again you dont want to take exogenous hormones or steroids right before bed or even a couple hours before if you can help it, and with your early workout time you def can help it.
Originally Posted by Regsmizer45
01-16-2008 03:29 PM
so id dose
when phera 30mg and epi 20mg
15mg phera pre, 10mg epi post, 15mg bout 12 and 10mg epi bout 2
when phera 45mg and epi 30mg
30mg phera pre, 20mg epi post, 15mg phera bout 12 and 10mg epi bout 2.
ill tell you though thats a pretty high dose for either so you can probally get the same gains with less... dont move up in dose unless you stop progressing, thats always a rule when taking this kind of stuff, the smallest dose possible while being effective, will get yuo all the benifits and minimize the sides.
01-16-2008 03:30 PM
Not related to this but interesting anyhow...
So what if you were doing a full cycle of a suppressive compound and expecting heavy to full shutdown anyway? Would you still think a nighttime dose is a bad idea.
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