P-Plex Epistane Bridge Cycle

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  1. yeah, makes sense. I'm just trying to decide on my own dosing scheme, I was pondering taking the superdrol bedtime


  2. Quote Originally Posted by DBinMD View Post
    I'd pretty much go with poopy's dose recommendation. That's one nice thing about morning wo's, you can get most of the phera and epi out of your system by night time. Along the lines of what poopy said, I may have made a false assumption about epi and phera being in different classes, but other than that I'm happy so far.

    And dispite what I said earlier, I may up my doses soon.

    Good luck.

    DB
    well they may very well still work well together BUT epi is still probably stronger in regards to its binding affinity so it would be best to get the phera in first give it a chance to do some work then take the epi..... one is more wet (phera) and one is more dry (epi) so it would lead one to belive they would stack well but they still may have a competition for absorbtion if they use the same pathways, and they do have similar A:A profiles both being VERY anabolic and much less androgenic.


    And ZMA is perfect to take at night time as it promotes natural test production as well.... good set up man.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yeah, makes sense. I'm just trying to decide on my own dosing scheme, I was pondering taking the superdrol bedtime
    well how long you been on the 1-t and do you already feel majorly shutdown? do you have considerable testicular shrinkage? and how much SD are you gonna run? if you dose that waay id probally not do more then 30mg ed 10 am 10 aft and 10 before bed....

  4. I believe they are both class 1 too? (pplex + epi) I can't recall the list exactly

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I believe they are both class 1 too? (pplex + epi) I can't recall the list exactly
    ya i had mentioned to me also by the good ol DrD that epi was like a dryer phera, so i know they are very similar in action. im sure epi still has the stronger binding affinity too since its the nature of the drug and its parent compound (SERM) so its best taken second as to avoid it blocking out all the phera.
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  6. so poopy, all the supports and everything look good I take it?....Im pretty pumped man, The epi everyday, and then pulsing the P-Plex....Im ready for some wicked results. One more thing, On the days Im not taking phera, should I still take the epi after I work out??

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Regsmizer45 View Post
    so poopy, all the supports and everything look good I take it?....Im pretty pumped man, The epi everyday, and then pulsing the P-Plex....Im ready for some wicked results. One more thing, On the days Im not taking phera, should I still take the epi after I work out??
    No I'd take it preworkout in that case.

    As far as your support supps i see the eform and your pct looks good but what about liver supps? do you have any? your taking 2 methyls for 5 weeks so youd def be best served to take something like Cycle support from anabolic innovations with your nightly shake (you do have asimple shake before bed to fend off catabolism right?) that way it wont interfere with your supps during the day and still keep your liver working optimally so it can process your protien correctly and your supps too, a stressed liver will mean everything wont work as well since everything you injest goes through it first before it hits the blood stream.

  8. Ua I have anabolic Xtreme Perfect cycle liver support, and Milk Thinstle

  9. sounds good then man you should be straight! just take it nightly with your ZMA then.

  10. Ya im taking The liver support in the a.m., Milk thistle at lunch, and Liver support before bed with the ZMA....sound good??

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Regsmizer45 View Post
    Ya im taking The liver support in the a.m., Milk thistle at lunch, and Liver support before bed with the ZMA....sound good??
    dont take it first thing in the morning, just in the evening and before bed, it will block some of the phera and epi if taken at the same time, milk thistle is already in the perfect cycle so i dont think its necessary to add more BUT im sure it wont hurt... maybe just save it for your pct.

  12. Day #1

    Starting Weight- 197lbs, and I posted my measurments on page 1

    Well, Better late than never, I started this morning, I did 20mg epi today and 30mg of phera....Its noting to report really.

    I took 45g protien, a kreation shake, and 15mg of phera-pre

    I took a 60g carb shake, 45g protien, and 10 mg of epi-post

    Wed is chest day increased energy but nothing major yet.

    Flat Bench-
    (Stretched) Then-185x10(warmup), 225-8, 245-6, 265-4

    Decline Dumbbell-65'sx10, 70'sx8, 75'sx8

    Hammerstrength Press- 140x10, 160x8, 180x6, 200x4

    Cable Cross- 60x8, 70x6, 80x6 (Dida couple differnt angles to hit differnt parts of chest)

    Like I said, nothing to report yet except increased energy, Good Pump, if you have not tried kreation by scifit, GET SOME. But back on track, Im taking all my support supps and vitamins throughout the day, so far GREAT! mood and good energy.

    Taking ZMA, Melatonin and Liver Support at night. The ZMA and melatonin REALLY help me stay asleep. I have a problem with staying asleep.

    DBinMD....Try NOW foods Melatonin Works WONDERS with NOW's ZMA.

    Back and Bis tomorrow.....SO....I'll Be Back

  13. nice start man! good luck n expect to really see it within the next week and FEEL it the week after, with those two you should be on top of the world.

  14. Up and at em' bright and early. Ready to head off to the gymn today in about 20 min. Back, Bis and cardio today, with a touch of abs.

  15. Regs,

    Thanks, I'm doing melatonin, ZMA, GABA, and sometimes arginine pyro..., too.

    DB

  16. Day #2

    4:40 am-10 mg epi, 45 protien, Kreation Shake

    5:30- Weight 198 + 1 Already

    Bis-
    EZ Curl Bar- 25'sx10-(Warmup), 35'sx6, 45'sx6, 40x8

    Seated Alt. Curls- 40'sx8, 45'sx8, 35'sx10-(Drop Set to) 30x6

    1 Arm Preach- 35'sx10, 45'sx10, 40'sx12-(Drop Set to) 35x6

    Back-
    Asst Pullups- (Weight(-30))x10, (weight(-20))x8, (weight(-10))x6

    TBar- 45(Warmup)x10, 90x10, 115x8, 135x6

    Lat P.D.- 130x10, 150x8, 170x6

    Back Ext- 2 Sets of 10

    Ab Bench- Front and sides 2 sets of 20


    Cardio-

    Treadmill-(Stretch and Warmup) 15 min at 4mph and 4% grade, 120cals

    Eliptical-10 min 150 cals burned.....270 total

    1 60g carb shake, 45g protien- Post

    Felt REALLY good this morning, got a great pump on back and bis, felt like I could have done more weight on some things, but didnt want to over do it. But overall, liking it A LOT so far.

    Same plan as yesterday diet wise, around 3000 cals, under 100g fat, around 240-280g carbs, and 300g protien.

  17. Nice, even during a pulse this stuff seems to kick in pretty fast. You said you felt like you could do more weight, did you? Anyway, not getting carried away probably the smart thing. If you wind up with even a mild pull or tedonitis at this point it'll messup the rest of your cycle.

    DB

  18. ya on things like preachers I probably could have gone to up 55's, but I didnt want to push anything to fast

  19. Day #3

    Weight-199 + 2....Pretty Pumped

    Triceps today....

    Skull Crushers ez curl bar- 25'sx10, 35'sx8, 45's

    Straight Bar Push Down- 130x10, 150x9

    Rope Push Down- 150x8, 160x8

    Resersve One arm pull down- 60x18, 70x8, 80x6

    Dips, and close grip to finish it off 3 setsx10

    Strength Wen through the ROOF TODAY! I started taking small doses on monday to get it in my system.

    No sides so for EXCEPT....My nips dont hurt, they are not sore to touch or anything like that, they are very sensitive though...like a tingly feeling......anything to worry about.....Should I cut it short while I can. Or is it just from the PH's. The epi and the formadrol should take care of any estro or gyno right? And ive heard that PP is very unliky to cause gyno. Maybe im just sesitive to them? Ive done 1-ad(good stuff), S-drol, 17-hd in the past with no sesitivity.....any ideas?

  20. As far as the nips, I can't help, but tricep weights are nice and +3 lb in 3 days. Can't ask for much more than that.

  21. so you think its anything to worry about ?

  22. just keep a close eye on it. Phera gave me gyno into about the second week. i stupidly pushed it out to 3 weeks and had a fair size lump there. Luckily over the past few months it has died down quite a lot but i wish i had of just cut it short when i first noticed the lump. dont get paranoid though. feeling your nips every 5 mins isnt going to help. good luck.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    just keep a close eye on it. Phera gave me gyno into about the second week. i stupidly pushed it out to 3 weeks and had a fair size lump there. Luckily over the past few months it has died down quite a lot but i wish i had of just cut it short when i first noticed the lump. dont get paranoid though. feeling your nips every 5 mins isnt going to help. good luck.
    Did you run phera solo?

  24. no lump or anything just tingly nips im also running it with epi. did yours hurt or get sore?

  25. like I said im also running formadrol
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