My Halodrol plan...

[Hollidae]

Critique please ...my first ever run 10 week..I am a little scared

check this post for updates

My plan is to run halodrol for 4 weeks depending on the sides

goals Mass.. keeping 10pds..more leg mass
date-once i hit 200. polly mid jan.... I have moved backed the start date for 2 reason. I know im going to miss a few workouts in jan, bc our( staples warehouse) busyiest month is jan.. and this will give me more time to plan and them is 100% perfect. i cant wait to start. watch cele and easy for a monster log

Background
5'11
196-198
hardgainer
I train 4 days a week
4x8
sun-chest/tri
mon-back
wed-quads/hams hi rep
thu-delts/bic
sat- quads/hams only 4 lifts
cardio is 5 days a week for 7-8hrs( I walk alot at work, I load trucks)
..forearms and calfs almost everyday training day expect on legday.. i do 10x10 or 5x20
..i mite do 10-8-8-6 while halo


Shudule

8.30-10p-train
11p-7a-work
9-5 sleep...
5-8....free time till school starts
post cycle therapy
My chosen post cycle therapy is as follows.
-Anti estrogen- 6oxo or Np oxo6
- cycle support by AI (3bottles)
-post cycle therapy by AI (1 bottle)
-cort- lean extreme (1 bottle)
-Serm- nolva on hand in case of man boobs
-Joint support -animal flex
Plan 50/50/50/50 +75/75 DEPENDING ON SIDES
week1 (8 pills) life support
week2 (8 pills) life support
week3 50mg halo,(2 scoops) cycle support
week4 50mg halo,(2 scoops) cycle support
week5 50mg halo,(2 scoops) cycle support
week6 50mg halo, (2 scoops) cycle support
week7 (600)oxo6, (2 scoops)cycle suport/post (3caps) lean ext,flex,5g creatine mono,drive,No booster.
week8 (500)oxo6, (2 scoops)cycle suport/post, (3caps) lean ext,flex, 5g creatine mono,drive,No booster.
week9 (400)oxo6, (2 scoops)cycle suport/post, (3caps) lean ext,flex,5g creatine mono,drive,No booster.
week10 (400)oxo6, (2 scoops)cycle suport/post, (3caps) lean ext,flex,5g creatine mono,drive,No booster.

My current supps will be
animalpak
real gains weight gainer
10g daily Glutamine


I still have more researching do on a few things such as:
Booster: home made(argine/creatine), or brought??
SERMrices, doage(40/40/30/20) or just 40/40 and lete oxo 6 take over safely??

 

[EasyEJL]

Critique please ...my first ever run..



My plan is to run halodrol for 4-6 depending on the sides.
Im goin to bump up my intake from 4500 for 5k+ with 375 protein.

goals Mass
date-12-1-07.. maybe sooner

post cycle therapy
My chosen post cycle therapy is as follows.
AI- oxo-6 or oxo hardcore*
Liver support- AX perfect cylce or liver longer by themolife*
cort- retain or exteme lean..
prostate- milk thistle dose unknown
Hawthorn Berry,,doage unknown
* it mite be overboard

My supps will be
animalpak
real gains
Glutamine
Cee powder
fish oil

I would suggest a couple changes, one is using cycle support on cycle, preloading 2 weeks prior to start, and extending thru 2 weeks of post cycle. I'm not familiar with real gains, so that may cover some of the same needs. I'd also think going with 6-oxo extreme would be nicer than regular, but you might want to look at post cycle support also by anabolic innovations to use with regular (or bulk) 6-oxo instead, for overall price considerations. 6-oxo extreme at label dose is only 15 days (I was wrong in the other post, I had to look at my bottle here), so you burn thru it FAST. a bottle of trione from NP plus post cycle support is a bit cheaper than 2 bottles of 6-oxo extreme. Also separating them means you can taper the 6-oxo up then back down while keeping the resveratrol complex at a consistent dose.

 

[Hollidae]

realgain is just a weigh gainer by UN

 

[EasyEJL]

ah ok, so if you went with cycle support thru cycle you could drop

Liver support- AX perfect cylce or liver longer by themolife*
prostate- milk thistle dose unknown
Hawthorn Berry,,doage unknown

from your list

 

[drksun]

If your running a straight h-drol cycle, suppression is definatly possible, i wouldn't overlook using a SERM for your post cycle therapy, all the other ancillaries look to be in check except this vital part. AI can only help so much and are more for on cycle estrogen control that for PC HPTA regeneration.

No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to post cycle therapy

 

[Travis]

You dont have to use a SERM. However it would be nice to have on hand, especially in case of gyno (unlikely with halo). Also you dont have to use a cort reducer (I never have...).

Both would more than likely give you better results/recovery during PCT though.

 

[Hollidae]

cycle support was mentioned in the post above. it looks really help full. but it looks the same as life support... please bare with me im on my blackberry.

 

[EasyEJL]

cycle support was mentioned in the post above. it looks really help full. but it looks the same as life support... please bare with me im on my blackberry.

life support is half the dose tho, meant for day to day use, not during a cycle. Post Cycle Support has none of the liver, cholesterol, prostate etc ancilliaries, but does have resveratrol to help with raising HTPA

 

[Aussie]

Critique please ...my first ever run..



My plan is to run halodrol for 4weeks.
Im goin to bump up my intake from 4500 to 5k+ with 375 protein.
week 1- 25
week2 ,3,4 -50
week5 finsh off the bottle at 25
week1-9 post cycle therapy
goals Mass
date-12-1-07.. maybe sooner

post cycle therapy
My chosen post cycle therapy is as follows.
Anti estrogen- oxo hardcore* or 6oxo
Liver support- AX perfect cycle or liver longer by themolife*
cort- retain or extreme lean..( i need help picking still)
misc- some form of "cycle support" by AI
Serm- still reseaching the suject.
* is this overboard, mite be overboard

My current supps will be
animalpak
real gains weight gainer
10gGlutamine
4g

The SERM should be on the top of your list, not the bottom.

I'd just change Cycle Support for Post Cycle Support.

 

[EasyEJL]

Not wanting to raise a huge fight over it but I kinda think serm worship is overdone. Look back here on AM at logs from 2004 or earlier, and see how many used serms. not that serms aren't a better guarantee of speed of HTPA return, but they are illegal to purchase for human consumption without a prescription (except for resveratrol based) and potentially as liver damaging as the methylated designer steroids...

 

[TripDog]

Your plan looks good bro,I would just put out there that most people 200 pounds and over didnt get a lot out of 50mg. I ran it 75-100 and no added side effects at all.....halodrol is underdosed imo...i would get another clone and up your dose....just my 2 cents

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

week3 25mg halo,cycle support by AI
week4 50mg halo,cycle support by AI
week5 50mg,cycle support by AI
week6 50mg cycle support by AI
week7 25mg cycle support by AI

I think it should be more like:
week3 50mg halo,cycle support by AI
week4 50mg halo,cycle support by AI
week5 75mg,cycle support by AI
week6 75mg cycle support by AI
week7 75mg cycle support by AI

I don't think you really need to be worried here. Halo is supposed to be a pretty mild designer.

Spread doses evenly throughout the day and enjoy

 

[EasyEJL]

I just realized hemadrol is 50mg, kinda puts a kink into my dosing if i use it vs hdrol. Cause I was going to do 75 but spread as 3 caps 8 hrs apart. if I use the hemadrol, i get 50 in one pop, I guess I can do 25 in the evenings

 

[Hollidae]

so i should take 1cp 3 times duringtheday.. wake/lunch/bed

 

[drksun]

Hmm whats the reasoning behind tapering the dose at "week7 25mg halo,cycle support by AI" just curious.. you probably wont see any gains this week come from 50mg the week before.


Heres some reading material about the use of AI in pct:

Sorry, but I am more inclined to listen to the professionals and doctors over yourself. Others should consider doing their research as well.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/438156-post34.html

Rationale for the Use of Aromasin with Tamoxifen During PCT - Anabolic Steroids and Bodybuilding

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=134238595

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

so i should take 1cp 3 times duringtheday.. wake/lunch/bed

Yes sir! :head:

 

[Hollidae]

Im debating on running 50mg or 75mg

 

[Hollidae]

my dosaging is will be werid bc i work nites

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

Im debating on running 50mg or 75mg

Ur gonna be 200lbs right? Go with 75 man.. At least.. a lot of bigger (and by bigger I mean in the 200lb range) guys have gotten good results from 75 and above.. but not much from just 50..

If it makes you feel any better.. I've got a cycle planned for next september and I'll be runnin' halo at the beginning at around the same dosages... aka 75+

 

[ozarkaBRAND]

my dosaging is will be werid bc i work nites

what do you mean? why not just pop yo' pills at work?

 

[celc5]

1-I have been reading that 50mg is a low dosge for a person under 200pd and they should take 75mg, how should i taper it?
2 when and what days to do take halo?
3-should i ditch my trustly creatine?
4 how do i doage oxo6 hardcore?
5-post/cycle suport by AI overkill?
6-am i missing something

1) 50mg of H-drol was plenty for me. I increased dosage for 2 or 3 weeks and saw no added benefit.

2) Take halo EVERY day. Do not pulse it, if that's what you were referring to, because you wont' get any results with a pulsing halo. Split your h-drol dosage into 2 per day for a total of 50mg/day, espeically since this is your first cycle. Take your liver support 4 hours after your first dose and 4 hours after your second dose.

3) You won't need creatine on cycle. I felt "creatine-like" extra reps around day 10 or 12 of halo. I'd save your creatine for post cycle therapy.

4) Most people taper their AI IF no serm is used. And personally, I would NOT use a serm if I ever decide to run halo again.

5) I personally don't see a need for PostCyleSupport in your plan. Although, I don't see how it could hurt either. Your call bro.

6) I would have taurine on hand, especially if this is your first cycle. Back pumps and cramping can ruin your workouts in the second and third week if you're not prepared. I got them even with close to 2 gallons of water per day! Bulk taurine works well, is inexpensive, and tasteless so it mixes in your protein shakes. Suggested dosing is between 5-10g/day.

Also, I would run a SamE for liver support. I'd only run Hawthorne Berry if you have BP issues. I'd only run extra niacin if you have cholesterol problems. That's my opinion... plus cycle support tastes disgusting. It makes me gag just thinking about it.

Finally, 10 pounds is a lofty goal for halo. You CAN gain 10 pounds but I'd bet 5 will be fat. Make 5 pound lean mass gain your goal with this ph and you'll be more realistic. My diet was 300 protein/300 carb/ 50 fat and I was 200 pounds as well. I gained 6 pounds and dropped 1.5% bodyfat as measured by caliper/skinfolds.

 

[Trauma1]

1) 50mg of H-drol was plenty for me. I increased dosage for 2 or 3 weeks and so no added benefit.

How much do you weigh?

 

[celc5]

How much do you weigh?

It says at the bottom of my post when I discussed my diet. But, I was 196 at 16% bf to 202 at 14% (of course this was according to caliper but it "looked" accurate in the mirror as well).

 

[Trauma1]

It says at the bottom of my post when I discussed my diet. But, I was 196 at 16% bf to 202 at 14% (of course this was according to caliper but it "looked" accurate in the mirror as well).

Yup missed that.....I still stand by the theory that halodrol was underdosed for those under 200lbs. I was 205 when i started and didn't feel the full effects until i hit 100mg/day. However everyone is different and that's why i like to hear differences in opinion.

 

[celc5]

Yup missed that.....I still stand by the theory that halodrol was underdosed for those under 200lbs. I was 205 when i started and didn't feel the full effects until i hit 100mg/day. However everyone is different and that's why i like to hear differences in opinion.

Good point... keep in mind that it took a solid 14 or 16 days for it to "kick in" as well. Although, I'd say I saw improved ability to sustain workout intensity around day 10 or so.

Finally, it's also possible that I saw results with a lower dosage as that was my first cycle. I believe this is Holidae's first cycle as well. :cheers:

 

[Trauma1]

Good point... keep in mind that it took a solid 14 or 16 days for it to "kick in" as well. Although, I'd say I saw improved ability to sustain workout intensity around day 10 or so.

Finally, it's also possible that I saw results with a lower dosage as that was my first cycle. I believe this is Holidae's first cycle as well. :cheers:

Very true. Halodrol was slow to kick in for myself....around the 12 day mark with the dose i was running. I saw results up until the middle-end of the 4th week. I absolutely loved my cycle however and thought it's a great compound especially for recomping. That's why i have 8 boxes in the freezer tee hee

 

[Hollidae]

only 5 lbm? i wanted at least 10.. i dont store fat easy. can i stack it for better gains.

 

[celc5]

only 5 lbm? i wanted at least 10.. i dont store fat easy. can i stack it for better gains.

The mildest and most popular stack is h-drol/propadrol. Opinions vary on propadrol dosage. If I were to run that stack, I'd run 50mg h-drol with 90mgs of prop.

Another mild option but less common is h-drol/furazadrol. I'm not familiar with furazadrol dosing.

A slightly more supressive choice would be halo/bold. I think gains reach the 10 pound mark with this stack. Bold tends to be run longer than 4 weeks and at pretty high dosages as compared to what's recommended on the label.

Halo/Trenadrol is also a common stack. This will be the most supressive of the options that I mentioned. But, I'd be very surprised if this didn't put 10 pounds on you.

Other considerations could be with phera run solo. TXR ran phera a few months back and had a nice log here on Anabolic Minds.

Finally, my only cycle is H-drol solo, so please take my suggestions with a grain of salt.

 

[Hollidae]

thank you.. u have really helped alot... i just need to doage the oxo6 correctly..

i read many hdrol logs were people gain 10pds of muscle mass... 5 seems so low.

-why is lose of libdo suck a bad thing.. Im a freaky horny dog, my girl wishes i had a lost..

-i wanted to compete as a light heavy weight in the fall.

 

[Hollidae]

1) 50mg of H-drol was plenty for me. I increased dosage for 2 or 3 weeks and saw no added benefit.

2Also, I would run a SamE for liver support. I'd only run Hawthorne Berry if you have BP issues. I'd only run extra niacin if you have cholesterol problems. That's my opinion... plus cycle support tastes disgusting. It makes me gag just thinking about it.

.

thats what cycle support is for.. i need 2 more bottles

 

[celc5]

thank you.. u have really helped alot... i just need to doage the oxo6 correctly..

i read many hdrol logs were people gain 10pds of muscle mass... 5 seems so low.

-why is lose of libdo suck a bad thing.. Im a freaky horny dog, my girl wishes i had a lost..

-i wanted to compete as a light heavy weight in the fall.

No problem bro :cheers:

If you're running the "old" 6oxo, most start at 600mg and taper off. Personally, 600mg is really hard on my joints so I'd probably start at 400 or 500. That's why I usually suggest trying your post cycle supplements in an nha stack so you know what you like, what you don't, and what dosages work for you BEFORE you run your cycle.

Just remember, the current "halodrol clones" are NOT the same as the "ORIGINAL" halodrol which had a DMT (pheraplex) component... of course the original was putting 10 pounds on people regularly. It's difficult to get your hands on at this point in time.

Libido loss is NOT such a bad thing. It's just a topic of interest that is frequently discussed and good to be mentally prepared for.

Congrats on competing! Keep us posted

 

[EasyEJL]

well, gaining fat or gaining lean mass are 2 different things. really more diet related than just the compound. Would it be better to gain 10lbs with half being fat, or 5lbs all lean?

Another option is to do the hdrol solo, and just take mega-trn pre-workout as a sort of pulse.

 

[celc5]

thats what cycle support is for.. i need 2 more bottles

Cycle support is a good quick fix for your first cycle. After that, I encourage you to develop your own plan. My thinking is that I believe only a liver support is necessary for a halo solo run... therefore, cycle support's ingredient profile becomes overkill and too expensive for what is necessary.

Finally, there's also more research supporting the use to SamE over Salymarin (milk thistle) to prevent liver damage. This is something you'll have to decide for yourself and develop your own opinion over time.

 

[celc5]

well, gaining fat or gaining lean mass are 2 different things. really more diet related than just the compound. Would it be better to gain 10lbs with half being fat, or 5lbs all lean?

Another option is to do the hdrol solo, and just take mega-trn pre-workout as a sort of pulse.

Yup, that's probably a good idea... especially if he wants to lift to BIG weights

 

[dedication24]

what about stacking hdrol with the original dermacrine?

i bet you can get some serious gains with this and am thinking about trying it out.

would this be any more suppressive or the same?

 

[Hollidae]

No problem bro :cheers:

If you're running the "old" 6oxo, most start at 600mg and taper off. Personally, 600mg is really hard on my joints so I'd probably start at 400 or 500. That's why I usually suggest trying your post cycle supplements in an nha stack so you know what you like, what you don't, and what dosages work for you BEFORE you run your cycle.

600/500/400/300/200 of oxo

i was looking at oxo6 hardcore label again. i see that all hardcore is oxo with zma and post cycle by AI

Joints- wil a joing support work..animal flex

 

[EasyEJL]

I think 8-10 lean is moderately reasonable for a halo cycle from what i've seen. 5 is towards the low end, but its possible thats all you get. Mega trn is theoretically a trenbelone designer. It gives big strength boosts, and a little bit of lean mass added. It also helps raise libido, so it can combat losses from hdrol if you were to experience them. 4mg preworkout adds a nice boost, and if you only work out 3-4 days a week it helps avoid some of the sides which are the standard androgenic sides (hairloss, acne, etc)

 

[EasyEJL]

just to add, the dollars you spend don't translate directly to pounds. Thats a piece of why people suggest that you don't do any of the hormonal supps till you have at least 5 years in, and have reached near your natural genetic potential. Because at that point, whatever it costs to gain 5 or 10 lbs of lean mass is worth it, as you couldn't gain them any other way.

Really some of the cheaper materials can give as much gains, depending on where you are vs your unsupplemented potential. I'm looking more closely at forskolin / forslean solo now, as its pretty damn cheap, and has clinical studies backing it up. its one of the ingredients in drive, and a number of other products.

 

[Hollidae]

easy and celc have been a great helpWHEN DO GAINS START? 2WK-6WK? i TOLD MY gf that do not wantusto see each other whicle Im "on"

 

[EasyEJL]

I was looking today, and the half life of oral turinabol is 16 hours. I can't find any info on halo's half life, but i'd imagine similar. if so, it helps make a little more sense as to why it has a longer time before gains are noticeable, and why sometimes there are gains in PCT as well, as it takes some time to hit equilibrium. T3 is even worse, a 30something hour half life.

 

[celc5]

Hollidae, I'm not sure I understand your question concerning joints? I would say that joint problems will not be an issue as a direct result of halo. Joint issues may arise if you DRASTICALLY your weights lifted while on cycle.

Just to clarify what EasyJL meant with reducing androgenic sides with M-trn... he's suggesting to only use trn for a pre-workout kick like 3 times per week. This would ellicit less androgenic sides than if you dosed it regularly.

Easy, I think the trend is a mixed bag with libido concerning tren. I also think the trn suggestion may be a little more advanced than what hollidae is looking for.

Easy, excellent post on translating dollars to cents!!! :cheers:

Hollidae, yes, I agree with your instincts. MassFx was pretty ineffective until I double dosed it. Also, that $90 for cycle support is looking quite expensive to me. Primaforce ZMA has a relatively satisfactory reputation and is cheaper than what you have listed. I ran LeanExtreme last month and ReduceXT this month... both were equally effective (quite nice products actually) and the Reduce is about 10 bucks cheaper as well.

Edit: also, bulk taurine is dirt cheap and works well.

 

[Hollidae]

yup 90$ for 3months


you said oxo caused joint issues...

primaforce makes cheap sh$t but beware of their cee

 

[celc5]

yup 90$ for 3months


you said oxo caused joint issues...

primaforce makes cheap sh$t but beware of their cee

Ya that 90 bucks is still looking quite expensive. I'd look into AX Perfect Cycle or Now Liver Protector if I were you.

Yup, 6oxo wrecked my joints... HOWEVER, I should have been more clear in mentioning this, but I don't think it's that bad for others. You may want to ask around. VPX Glucosacream is only $15 and works great. I personally think it works better than any cissus product that I've tried.

Agreed with carefully picking and choosing... Thanks for the heads up with the CEE :thumbsup:

 

[Hollidae]

primaforce just taste like battery acid... a shot a henny is easyer to swallow ... i forget who said" cycle support taste gross" trust me cycle support tate like mom apple pie compated to cee... i tryed to man up and mix 2 oz of water with 2g of cee... i couldnt do it..

I ALWAYS try animalpak products first. so animal flex is on deck.

 

[Hollidae]

i think i got everyhting in check..i gotta work out my timing since i work nites. maybe

11a 25mg halo. start work
8a-10a. 25mg halo. cycle support..bedtime
2p-4p 25mg halo cycle support. wake up. mutli.
9p workout...

 

[Hollidae]

Ya that 90 bucks is still looking quite expensive. I'd look into AX Perfect Cycle or Now Liver Protector if I were you.

Agreed with carefully picking and choosing... Thanks for the heads up with the CEE :thumbsup:

but cycle is much more than a liver support

 

[celc5]

I missed one of your questions above about how long it takes for halo to "kick in".

If I remember correctly, it went something like this:

week 1: increased pumps and vascularity, mild leaning effect

week 2: increased endurance in the gym, increased muscle hardness

week 3: signficantly increased strength, increased lean mass, back pumps, muscle cramping

week 4: best workouts of my life!, more mass, decreased libido, irritability/anxiety, pronounced back pumps

week 5: side effects became more pronounced with lethargy, decreased libido, and irritability (temper), cramping and back pumps interfere with workouts and become unproductive

I wouldn't run halo for more than 4 weeks as my 5th week was unproductive. Others run it longer and do just fine. Just listen to your body.

 

[Hollidae]

lethargy,? wont a good prework drink do the trick.. ever try endo rush by bsn?

btw- i gotta work out this oxo matter according to price

oxo6+zma+pc support(days)= XX$$
oxo6 hardcore(days)= 35$

and them.. boy oh boy.. something i think i plan TOO much..

4week 50/75/75/50 or 50-75-75-75.. I really not sure what im doing. but i do wanta finsh the bottle safely

I gotta put more time doin HW if i wanta stack halo

 

[EasyEJL]

steroid lethargy isn't like "after thankgiving dinner" lethargy. a stim will help some, but not entirely. some people feel some relief taking 100-150mg of DHEA 30-60 minutes before dosing the compound (whatever it is). For me, its not so much how it affects a workout, as how it affects the other parts of the day when you are splitting doses.

each bottle of 6-oxo hardcore is 15 days....

 

[celc5]

its not so much how it affects a workout, as how it affects the other parts of the day

Well said! :cheers: The crazy thing is, no matter how run down you feel throughout the day, workouts are still spectacular :head:

Either of your dosing schemes you listed should be just fine. Personally, I follow the philosophy that tapering your exogenous hormone doesn't accomplish anything.

I would run it 50/50/50/50 OR 75/75/75/75. That being said, I don't think you'll reap noticable benefits from 75mg and it will just make post cycle recovery more difficult IMO. Others who are more experienced disagree with that opinion on a regular basis.