Curt2go's Newest cycle....

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  1. Why aren't you crossing the steroid line if it is available to you?

    Since you are in Canada are ph just as illegal? And 1-test is a steroid technically.

    I'm not trying to change your mind I'm just wondering what the reasonins is behind it because I am on the same line myself.


  2. Got my 1,4 last night.. Man You could put 20g of it in 240mls . I put 15g in and it is crystal clear. It mixes like 1-test. Very easy.. I am applying around 450mg /day of that now as well... TTY
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  3. Originally posted by elijah_123
    Why aren't you crossing the steroid line if it is available to you?

    Since you are in Canada are ph just as illegal? And 1-test is a steroid technically.

    I'm not trying to change your mind I'm just wondering what the reasonins is behind it because I am on the same line myself.
    I have some moral issues that I told myself i would not cross that line I know it sounds stupid cause ph's aren't so legal either but we all make excuses for what we do.. hehehe.. TTY

  4. Originally posted by bow



    No sh*t, at 800 mg's a day of 1-test I would be stuck in a fetal position drooling on my tile.....

    You are a strong man CTG
    Strong . NO!.. Stupid. PROBABLY!  TTY

  5. Originally posted by curt2go


    I have some moral issues that I told myself i would not cross that line again. I know it sounds stupid cause ph's aren't so legal either but we all make excuses for what we do.. hehehe.. TTY
    Thats cool man. I applaud your determination to follow your morals. Lots of guys lack that lately. Hope the cycle goes well for you.
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  6. Best of luck CTG Have you ever considered raising your calories and then keeping them up there?

  7. I want to hear how the trans 1,4 andro works, according to DDD it works awsome. If you find it does the same, I may end up adding it to my 1-test/4ad stack.......make my own version of tren-x. LOL!

    Also curt, you are using the dmso @ 10% in your formula right? So, how much 'liquid' are you having to apply to reach your doseages? something like 8ml? because I am thinking of doing 8ml 2x day of 6gr 1-test/ 6gr 4ad in 240ml solution with the recipie found on this board. Keep us posted.

  8. I am liking the 1,4. It is helping with the lethargy for sure. It has been 2 weeks and I have gained 5lbs on a what I call a cutting diet... Hey scorp this is how many ml's I put on in total 14.3 mls.. I do use the 10% DMSO as well. I definately think taking the 1,4 transdermally is very cool and It mixes very well. I bet you could get 20g into 240mls(But you shouldn't)... TTY

  9. Looks like I am starting to cut out all my bad carbs now too. No white rice potatoes or pasta for awhile... I will replace it with vegetables and fruit though... I am up to 183 now... TTY

  10. Good work Curt. Souds like I may have to get my hands on some 1,4 andro powder, a few bros are having good results with it. Keep us posted.

  11. Ok... Its been 2.5 weeks.. My diet is very low for cals.. Not what I am used to. I usauly eat whatever I want so my enerygy is not there as much any more. I am getting leaner while gaining some pounds... About the lethargy thing . NOW ITS BAD... But I will stick it out... But I do like the trans 1,4. It actually makes my skin smoother.. TTY

  12. Curt, did you use 1fasts dione version or did you use a diol for the 1,4 andro?

  13. 1,4 doine. I got it from 1fast. It mixes unbelivebly easy. 15g no prob in solution and clear as a bell.. TTY

  14. Curt, so what do you think......will mixing 15gr of ph in the liquid HB (240ml) recipie throw it off any? It comes out to about 62.5 mg/ml ?????\

    I guess you could do that with 1,4 andro or 1-test, but not past 10gr on the 4ad?????? Let me know, thanks.

  15. I make 15 gram bottles no prob, why would it throw it off? That is the suggested max as any higher would lessen absorbtion, doesn't matter which hormone you are using.

  16. hey curt2 what are your gains looking like (i.e. pounds) im curious because im doing the cycle but using orals. so far im not liking the orals at all. im only up 3 lbs in 2 weeks.

  17. Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist
    I make 15 gram bottles no prob, why would it throw it off? That is the suggested max as any higher would lessen absorbtion, doesn't matter which hormone you are using.
    I wanted to start by saying, that I was talking about the liquid HB recipie in the 'recipie' forum and not the BDC gel. This is why I thought 12gr was max:

    As stated by BDC :

    When we say to keep it low the intention is too keep it around 50 mg/mL concentration. This has been shown to optimize the absorption. This is 12 grams of *WHATEVER* in solution and can be a combination of 1-test/4-AD/fina/test base or anything else desired. Now, above and below 50 the absorption will have diminished returns but is marginal when viewed in terms of a DMSO recipe.

  18. I make spray not gel. t1 pro and t1 both had 15 grams of powder in them.

  19. So, this recipie should work fine with 15gr phs?

    40% ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL( ISO )
    15% ISOPROPYL MYRISTRATE( IPM )
    15% ISOPROPYL PALMITATE( IPP )
    10% OLEIC ACID( OA )
    10% PROPYLENE GLYCOL( PG )
    10% DMSO


    Wonder why BDC said above and below 50mg/ml would have diminished returns?

  20. If you wished you could use two seperate bottles one with 1 test and one with 4-ad, that is how i made my first homebrews. The ones i sell are made into one bottle though. 15 grams is the max, most people use this number not 12 grams.

  21. Originally posted by Kitchen Chemist
    If you wished you could use two seperate bottles one with 1 test and one with 4-ad, that is how i made my first homebrews. The ones i sell are made into one bottle though. 15 grams is the max, most people use this number not 12 grams.
    Sonds good, Iguess I'll stick to 15gr. Yea, I usually make'em seperate also, that way I can adjust the doses according to how my body responds. I think I might add 1,4 andro to the mix this time. Heard lots of good things about it transdermal.

  22. Yeah good luck with it, just realized we kinda hijacked curts thread, sorry bro. Pull one of these on us

  23. Sorry i am late but yes 15 of 1-test or 15g of 1,4 but only about 10g of 4-ad will fit into the spray... The 1-test amd 1,4 come out crystal clear as well. Hope that helps.. TTY

  24. Well first i'd like to say. I HATE CUTTING... At least with bulking I gain very easy. But now that i am on a cutting diet I am back down to 180 in the morning.. This is killing me not seeing gains on the scale. I am definately looking leaner and with out loseing weight really I know I am gaining but not on the scale.. I have beeing eating toms of protien /day so i know my diet is cool. BUt this is my first "real" cuttig cycle so I am not used to it.. So after 3 weeks I have only gained (on the scale) 3 lbs so far. i want to be 185 by the end so I will see..

    HEy on a side note what would you guys say to adding some nor when I finsih my 1-test? I would only run it for a couple weeks until the 1,4 and 4-ad are done. Let me know what you guys think. TTY

  25. Well this is starting to piss me off. I thought fore sure I would have no problem gaining a litle more weight.. I know I am loosing bf but come on 3lbs in 3.5 weeks???? Strength is up for sure but the scale discourages me.. I guess my body just loves food.. This eating clean and not very much really sucks.. I will keep you guys posted though.....

    Once again what do you guys think about adding some nor for 2 weeks once the 1-test is done???? TTY

  26. I am seriously thinking about adding 300mg of nor for the lsat 2 weeks maybe even 3.. TTY

  27. hey curt i am in the same boat as you im on day 19 on about the same cycle and i havent seen hardly any gains, i have only gained about 4lbs but like you said my strength has gone up. oh how i wish i was on a bulking cycle with some homebrew or SO+ oh well only about another 7weeks till i start a homebrew(which is after goin off everything for 5 weeks)
    it sucks i have a friend that has never done a cycle of anything and he is only doin 600mg per day of the 1ad and his weight has been skyrocketing. i guess that is what you get for never doing a cycle of anything.
    good luck bro i hope you find some gains, everyone says week three and four well im still waiting for them.

  28. Oh yeah... On my other cycles i have always been buling and gained usually between 12-17 lbs.. So this cutting cycle is a BIG change for me.. I do look my best though IMHO .. TTY

    PS Thanx for the encouraging workds...

  29. Curt, counds like you're mostly melting away bf, since you are eating cleaner. This is the exact reason why I think PH's are better used for bulking, not that they don't work for cutting, but we like to guage our gains by the scale. By eating more food/ cals and lifting heavy/ resting...ph's help our bodies recover faster....be more anabolic, therefore building more new muscle, along with some fat. While cutting, ph's help keep our strength up....keep from becoming catabolic, mabe adding some new muscle, but mostly lowering bf. This is why it seems like on a 'forever bulk'...LOL! I started cutting this month by lowering carb intake and lost 5lbs...hadn't dropped any lower....can't see my abs, but oh what the hell, I like to LIVE!.....have my food and my brew and still be big and strong.

  30. heheheeh. Me to Scorp... Good point by the way.. I am going to add nor to the mix now .. As of tonight for the next 3 weeks I will be doing 375mg nor 166mg 4-ad 400mg 1,4 / day.. I just need 5 more pounds. But they have to be clean. SO I will still eat very clean and maybe train a little harder or something.. hehehe.. TTY
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