Mega-TRN/Pheramonex Log

[bubonic1]

Sup all, I will be starting a TRN/Pheramonex log. This will be the first time I have made a log so bear with me.

I will be running 6 mg/day of the mega-trn with 30 mg/day of the pheramone-x. I will also be using Perfect Cycle by AX
along with 320 mg Saw Palmetto, 1600 mg Hawthorn Berries for BP control. Might thrown in some CQ10. My PCT
will consist of a special blend of Tamoxifen Citrate/Exemestane
1.5cc per day first week 1.0cc per day for secound week.
.5cc for weeks three and four. Followed by 6oxo and Fenugreek. Target cals per day 3200 and 200grams of protein.

I will try to log my work outs etc.

3-15-06 i started with 3 tabs of trn and 2 phera.
3-16-06 same
3-17-06 same
3-18-06 First work out did Shoulders and triceps.
Overall an awesome work out had lots of energy noticed a diffrence in weight, was able to do a few more reps also.
Right now im 164.5lbs 5'9.
Mondays post will be a little more informative with a list of work out with reps and weights.

 

[prld2gr8ns]

Alright bubonic...... nice to see the log.

 

[Burner]

Dosages look too high, especially at 164.5 pounds. What kind of experiance have you had with AAS? Whats your BF%?

 

[bubonic1]

Right now im at 15% BF. This will be my first cycle since a knee injure . I have used Egro/Fingernx/SD in the past.
We shall see how the bp goes, if needed i will drop back to 4mg of trn. We shall see. Thanks for the intrest i'm always open for constructive feedback. Cheers:woohoo:

 

[Burner]

Yeah just play it safe bro and watch your bp like you mentioned, no need to take more than what you need. We are all interested in how it goes, good luck. :thumbsup:

 

[bubonic1]

So here it goes. Today was leg day.
Bloodpressure was 118/71. Weight was up two pounds to 166.5 Started off with warm up on bike for 10 mins.
Leg extensions
120lbs x 12
140 x 12
180 x 12

Leg Curls
120 x 12
140 x 12
160 x 9

Power Squats
90 x 10
180 x 10
225 x 10

Free Squats
135 x 8
145 x 8
165 x 6

Standing calf raises
300 x 12
360 x 12
400 x 12
460 x 10

overall a good work out did some abs afterword.
Monday should be biceps/back

 

[GorillaJoe]

*Subscribed*
Thanks for the log man. I was planning on running a cycle similar to this one in a month or so. Good luck!

 

[bandit9308]

:blink: imma watchin also...good luck

 

[Apowerz6]

I def wanna see the effects of this one !!! great start so far...

 

[bubonic1]

Bicep Day:woohoo:
BP 120/69 weight 167.0 Libdo good(wood in the am!)

Seated incline curls
35lbs x 12
40 x 10
45 x 7
50 x 3

Standing Curls
70 x 10
80 x 10
90 x 10
110 x 7 (new personal best)

Individual bicep preacher curl
25 x 10
30 x 10
35 x 10
40 x 8

Cable crossover biceps curls
40 x 10
45 x 10
50 x 9
55 x 8

Reverse wrist curls
15 x 10
15 x 10
15 x 10

overall strength is up and focus during work out seems much improved. So far so good and no ab normal sides.

 

[bubonic1]

had a late work out today, normal time i'm at the gym is 4:30 am. I went at 8:00pm, wanted to give the biceps a little more time hehe. Weight today was 166.5, BP was up a little today
128/74 (only a minor head ache). Here's todays work out....

Lat Pulldowns
110 x 10
130 x 10
150 x 10
170 x 9

Standing Tbar (first time trying this )
45 x 10
70 x 8
80 x 6
70 x 10

Seated Cable Row
120 x 10
140 x 10
150 x 8
160 x 8

ISO High Row
180 x 10
200 x 10
220 x 8

DeadLifts (Holy Sh*T! the lower back pump) :blink:
135 x 8
185 x 7
135 x 10

Standing Rows (weak point)
100 x 12
110 x 10
120 x 10

Back Extensions
160 x 10
200 x 10
220 x 10

Overall not to bad of a night, notice the weights are going up
biggest gain was on lat pulldowns. If any one has any suggestion for diffrent exercises i can try for more lat development please feel free to post ideas. Thanks all and have a great night.:yawn:

 

[Mulletsoldier]

had a late work out today, normal time i'm at the gym is 4:30 am. I went at 8:00pm, wanted to give the biceps a little more time hehe. Weight today was 166.5, BP was up a little today
128/74 (only a minor head ache). Here's todays work out....

Lat Pulldowns
110 x 10
130 x 10
150 x 10
170 x 9

Standing Tbar (first time trying this )
45 x 10
70 x 8
80 x 6
70 x 10

Seated Cable Row
120 x 10
140 x 10
150 x 8
160 x 8

ISO High Row
180 x 10
200 x 10
220 x 8

DeadLifts (Holy Sh*T! the lower back pump) :blink:
135 x 8
185 x 7
135 x 10

Standing Rows (weak point)
100 x 12
110 x 10
120 x 10

Back Extensions
160 x 10
200 x 10
220 x 10

Overall not to bad of a night, notice the weights are going up
biggest gain was on lat pulldowns. If any one has any suggestion for diffrent exercises i can try for more lat development please feel free to post ideas. Thanks all and have a great night.:yawn:

Chin ups man..I like to hit back twice a week, doing one day all back for width, then do deads on leg day...It works out great for me and my deadlift is still pretty good..

 

[bubonic1]

Today was chest day. Weight 167.0 BP 111/71

Flat Bench
155 x 8
185 x 8
195 x 6
185 x 6
155 x 8

Incline Bench
135 x 10
155 x 8
155 x 8
135 x 8

Cable Crossover
70 x 12
75 x 10
80 x 8
60 x 10 (super slow)

Incline DumbBell Press
45 x 12
55 x 10
55 x 10
45 x 10

Decline Bench
135 x 10
155 x 8
155 x 8
135 x 10
135 x 6 (partner pressed down on bar)

Overall a fair work out, left arm still very sore. Will be taking the next two days off. :woohoo: Get to reside the house yeppie!

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Sweet lord...22 sets only on chest?

 

[bubonic1]

Doing chest once a week, should i do less or would this be over training? Any feedback is great I'm always open for
constructive suggestions. Thanks all...

 

[LCSULLA]

Doing chest once a week, should i do less or would this be over training? Any feedback is great I'm always open for
constructive suggestions. Thanks all...

You are doing way too much. Look at his link:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/powerlifting-strongman/40442-beelze-training-log.html

Look at what he does.. and he weighs 270lbs. Ignore the magazines, their only good for toliet paper or lining you animals cage.
And also check this guy out. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/42338-40-lbs-13-months.html#post488797

Look at how he did it. Thats what you should be doing.

 

[stinkfist]

I would hit bench twice a week. Maybe a heavy day and a repetition day or a heavy day and a real f.ckin heavy day. Do the main bench exercises, one of the following...flat bench, floor presses, board presses, lockouts, weighted dips etc and throw in a supplemental bench exercise like db presses. Then do some tri, shoulder and back work. Train for strength and eat for size...you should blow up on this stack

 

[Mulletsoldier]

You are doing way too much. Look at his link:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/powerlifting-strongman/40442-beelze-training-log.html

Look at what he does.. and he weighs 270lbs. Ignore the magazines, their only good for toliet paper or lining you animals cage.
And also check this guy out. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/42338-40-lbs-13-months.html#post488797

Look at how he did it. Thats what you should be doing.

Yeah, also he should not be doing a cycle at 164.5lbs @ 15%..But that's just MO

 

[LCSULLA]

I would hit bench twice a week. Maybe a heavy day and a repetition day or a heavy day and a real f.ckin heavy day. Do the main bench exercises, one of the following...flat bench, floor presses, board presses, lockouts, weighted dips etc and throw in a supplemental bench exercise like db presses. Then do some tri, shoulder and back work. Train for strength and eat for size...you should blow up on this stack

I think this is way over his head.."board presses, floorpress, and etc". He need to drop his volume...considerably. He's 164lbs.
Read the two threads. And then decided.

 

[stinkfist]

I think this is way over his head.."board presses, floorpress, and etc". He need to drop his volume...considerably. He's 164lbs.
Read the two threads. And then decided.

Well first off, I don't think PHs are a good idea for him right now for his overall size. He could definately put more mass on without them by just eating and training hard. Second, I do think the bench exercises would help him, he doesn't need to do board presses, but the rest can be fit in. Also, I'm not saying he do all of them on his "chest" day, but rather one main bench exercise followed by a supplemental bench exercise and accessory work thereafter. He would be training lower volume, but at a much higher intensity. Basically something similar to Westside for Skinny Bastards http://www.defrancotraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm

 

[LCSULLA]

Well first off, I don't think PHs are a good idea for him right now for his overall size. He could definately put more mass on without them by just eating and training hard. Second, I do think the bench exercises would help him, he doesn't need to do board presses, but the rest can be fit in. Also, I'm not saying he do all of them on his "chest" day, but rather one main bench exercise followed by a supplemental bench exercise and accessory work thereafter. He would be training lower volume, but at a much higher intensity. Basically something similar to Westside for Skinny Bastards http://www.defrancotraining.com/articles/archive/articles_westside.htm

Oh I agree totally. But Stink you have to think like a noob when answering questions like this. Because a noob reading it will be doing two days a week of heavy bench with about 6 different exercises for 4-5 sets and 8-10 reps apiece. And since he ain't an endo, meso, and on gear he won't gain squat.
BTW I am not busting your balls. It's hard to write something like this and not have it come off sounding like a snob or an ass.

 

[stinkfist]

Oh I agree totally. But Stink you have to think like a noob when answering questions like this. Because a noob reading it will be doing two days a week of heavy bench with about 6 different exercises for 4-5 sets and 8-10 reps apiece. And since he ain't an endo, meso, and on gear he won't gain squat.
BTW I am not busting your balls. It's hard to write something like this and not have it come off sounding like a snob or an ass.

I definately agree as well. It's hard to just throw out information and hope people absorb the stuff or actually do a little more research into it.

 

[bubonic1]

Great replys guys, thanks for giving useful feedback.
My feeling are if you cant help or give good advice dont read the thread. I will read up on the links and see what i can change. If i have any questions should i pm you or just post?
Thanks in advance for you help.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Great replys guys, thanks for giving useful feedback.
My feeling are if you cant help or give good advice dont read the thread. I will read up on the links and see what i can change. If i have any questions should i pm you or just post?
Thanks in advance for you help.

Telling you not to do it IS good advice...

 

[WannaGro]

Yeah man no offense, but I totally agree with these guys about dropping dosages alot, and probably holding off on the PHs for a while. If you are under 170 lbs at ~15% BF, then you should reconsider, and research more. First go check out some Mega TRN logs (like ryansm's) and some of Grexx's posts in the GL forum, and you will see that at your size 6mgs is way to high. I'm getting ready to start a PP/Mega TRN cycle, and I'm not huge by any means, but a lot heavier that you and I don't plan on going above 4mgs, on Mega TRN. And I've been researching and debating running this since ALRI first mentioned it when he was still on these boards. But seriously, not trying to bust your balls here, just trying to help. When I started lifting seriously I was 150lbs, and all I needed was food and lots of it, with low volume power work like these guys said, and check out the bulking forum, theres lots of stuff that could help you out. They're all good guys lookin out for ya.

-WannaGro

 

[bubonic1]

I am going to drop down to 4mg a day(might drop out the pher) and give the modified west side work out a shot. We shall see what types of gains i pick up. Btw im sitting on 168
atm(no shoes etc)

A. MAX-EFFORT LIFT - Work up to a max set of 3-5 reps.

Now should this be one set or three sets with the last one you 3rm etc?

 

[WannaGro]

I am going to drop down to 4mg a day(might drop out the pher) and give the modified west side work out a shot. We shall see what types of gains i pick up. Btw im sitting on 168
atm(no shoes etc)

A. MAX-EFFORT LIFT - Work up to a max set of 3-5 reps.

Now should this be one set or three sets with the last one you 3rm etc?

I reread the article and I it sounds like one max set, but I'm not positive. Stinkfist could maybe answer this better, I could be missing something. I personally do 1 heavy day a week, where I do bench, bent row, partial dead, and squat. I do a really light warm up set, then three working sets of triples (3 reps) at max effort, then a really light cool down set, sometimes with just the bar to stretch out. This has always worked really well for me, especially when dieting, to maintain strength.

Hope this helps some.
-WannaGro

 

[LCSULLA]

I don't think I saw this but are you trying to get big or cutdown?
I am just going to assume bulk? If so you NEED to sign up for a fitday account and catalog what you eat. Then you need to figure out how much you need to move it up.

 

[stinkfist]

I am going to drop down to 4mg a day(might drop out the pher) and give the modified west side work out a shot. We shall see what types of gains i pick up. Btw im sitting on 168
atm(no shoes etc)

A. MAX-EFFORT LIFT - Work up to a max set of 3-5 reps.

Now should this be one set or three sets with the last one you 3rm etc?

Work yourself up to 1 set of either a 3 or 5 rep maximum.

 

[powerlifter1800]

Another good site for power lifting/ westside stuff is elite fitness systems there are a bunch of articles on there. If i were you i would do a 3 to 5 rep max then drop the weight a little and do 3/3 that will help.

 

[bubonic1]

Ok just googled board presses that seems awful wack.

http://www.criticalbench.com/board-press.htm

looks very neat not sure thats the kinda of work out you want to do solo

 

[WannaGro]

The board presses, in my opinion aren't what you need, that is more for competitive power lifters to work on building up weak/sticking points in the bench movement. Just Power benching or maybe bands or chains, to help with explosiveness, but if you don't plan on competing, then I wouldn't think that you need to go that extreme. Just the working up to a 3-5 Rep max would be good. One program that works really good is "Kyle's Russian Bench Program" I believe its on Fortified Iron's website( they also have some other very good programs, some westside barbell ones as well), and the basic power program from Jackal's Gym. Both of these programs have worked very well for me in the past and the Jackal's program I did all natural and gained alot of strength across all lifts, and a good amount of size as well. So if your on some sort of AAS I would think that you would also get pretty damn good results.

Kyles Bench
http://www.fortifiediron.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=63
Jackals
http://www.jackalsgym.com/programs/javacalc.html

Hope this helps you out some.
-WannaGro

PS
bubonic I think you negative repped me, it was red???

 

[bubonic1]

You should of been giving a positive rep, not sure if any admin can check and see if it was given.
On the Jackal's website the max bench squat, is that what your max is or what you want it to be?

 

[WannaGro]

You should of been giving a positive rep, not sure if any admin can check and see if it was given.
On the Jackal's website the max bench squat, is that what your max is or what you want it to be?

Sorry about the rep point thing I just noticed that since your new you have zero rep power, so I don't think that you can give them yet or something like that. And about the jackal program, those are your target maxs for the end of the program. At the top of the page under programs, the workout calculator also has some good programs, the basic program on there is similar, but includes power cleans as well.

Let me know if you have any more ?s.
-WannaGro

 

[LCSULLA]

Sorry about the rep point thing I just noticed that since your new you have zero rep power, so I don't think that you can give them yet or something like that. And about the jackal program, those are your target maxs for the end of the program. At the top of the page under programs, the workout calculator also has some good programs, the basic program on there is similar, but includes power cleans as well.

Let me know if you have any more ?s.
-WannaGro

Wannagrow is on the money with that Jackels program. Thats what you need to be doing. No more 22 sets for chest.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Bubonic..I just started a program Glenihan had posted on here, I have only been on it for two weeks but I really like it....If you can find it you should try it..

 

[WannaGro]

Wannagrow is on the money with that Jackels program. Thats what you need to be doing. No more 22 sets for chest.

Eating 6000 fairly clean cals per day I put on a natural 13 lbs in 8 weeks and hit personal bests in all lifts on that program. So it definitely works. My cousin was a powerlifter training with Ed Coane at Quads, and I worked out with those guys and they told me to check that site out and thats one of the things that really got me into serious lifting.

-WannaGro

 

[WannaGro]

Bubonic..I just started a program Glenihan had posted on here, I have only been on it for two weeks but I really like it....If you can find it you should try it..

I think this is what MS is talking about http://anabolicminds.com/forum/402685-post10.html
if it is, then that is similar to what I'm doing right now and it is working well. I like the TUT stuff for bodybuilding purposes. I don't get huge strength gains from this type of training though. That is why I have a power triples day, like I stated earlier. You kind of have to see what works for you personally, I think all of the programs mentioned are good, but some things work very well for some people and others don't. I think that the heavier low volume stuff is the way to start though, instead of the usual 'magazine I want to overtrain as fast as I can ridiculous volume routine' that alot of people try. Good luck.

-WannaGro

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Yeah, I have to say I have made far more size increases on a TUT routine, and yep that is the one..I like it so far..