Iron's Phera Log
- 03-11-2006, 09:58 AM
- 03-11-2006, 12:02 PM
03-12-2006, 10:06 PM
Yea man, your PCT looks pretty good.. but in my opinion running a SERM after a cycle of phera plex is a waste. Although phera plex is a pretty powerful compound, the few pounds you'll save using a SERM (like nolva) vs. using only Novedex, to me, isn't worth it. I'd save the Nolva.. use it later on down the road when/if you get into more powerful cyclesOriginally Posted by PumpingIron
03-12-2006, 11:36 PM
I disagree. In my opinion, it is better to do a little more than take a risk and do a little less. If I was to drop anything, it would be the ATD NOT the nolva.Originally Posted by GorillaJoe
03-12-2006, 11:51 PM
Yea man, my budgets a little tighter that i'd like it to be though, so while using PP as a stand alone I dont see it worth the cost of nolva whereas while running the ATD you'll only lose a small portion of what you gainedOriginally Posted by Jared
03-13-2006, 01:26 AM
sorry for interupting your log but this has allways been a big wonder to me why dont i hear much about taking creatine while on pro-hormones?? and while im asking this question what is the longest anybody has ran pp i allways see 4 weeks on most logs
03-13-2006, 06:10 AM
Well its a methyl so many people like to run shorter cycles. plus the gins stop comin after about 4 weeks for most people and if you raise the dosage your going to have more sides. And I would use a creatine in my PCt to help keep my strength up...but thats just me.Originally Posted by bandit9308
BTW Looking think PI.
03-13-2006, 08:21 AM
Yea, exactly LCSULLA, I'm sving the CEE until PCT to keep the strength a bit.
And Jared, I agree, I posted earlier in this log that i plan on doing more PCT then may be need in such an uncomplicated cycle, but I want to cover all basics...
03-13-2006, 08:24 AM
Alright, quick note. I think I have a problem with going to the gym, I think I'm addicted, haha. But its started to move me in the direction of overtraining. The PP is helping out, but i don't think I have gotten the fullest potential out of the compound. I'm gonna sit down this week and devise a new workout plan.
Also today is the last day at 20mgs. I'm going to make the jump up to 30mgs tomorrow and continue for the the final week.
Oh, and I'm taking the day off from the gym.
I'll post again tomorrow.
03-13-2006, 01:40 PM
03-13-2006, 02:05 PM
03-13-2006, 02:59 PM
Yea, so far, in 20 days, about a 7lbs increase. I started at 195 and im around 202...Originally Posted by kingmob
03-15-2006, 08:54 PM
03-15-2006, 09:12 PM
Damn, I want to see those pics, but it says I can't til I have at least 10 posts. I've been posting on the bb.com forums since sept. 04. I just ordered some pp and sd from this site and decided to join the forums here. Awesome log you have going. I'll be checking in often.
Nine more posts to go til I can see those pics
03-15-2006, 09:27 PM
03-16-2006, 09:04 AM
So things are going well, I'm in the middle of my third day of taking 30mgs. I have yet to see pretty much any cosmetic sides that aren't easily fixed, minus a little bloating. Acne has been very easily remidied. Weight is up to 204 this morning (9lbs increase for those who are mathematically challenged, like myself). I look big, not quite as lean as when i started but I am just as vascular and bigger (exactly what i expected). I get looks and stares at the gym a little more often then normal, but when people ask me questions i basically tell them I'm starting to get ready for one of the NJ NPC shows and they don't press the issue of what I'm on or anything.
I personally like ot train at my gym alone. I get a spot on heavy presses, but thats it, I usually hit my zone.
But my strength has definately increased. 265x4 Flat bench (on my 5 set), 365X6 squat (one my 5 set as well). I never like to lift big becuase I always try to focus on the movement and concentrate on the muscle group extension and contraction during each rep, but these weights aren't too hard to move around and I can focus with them. Slow reps are the way to go my friends...
The eye sight that I was complaining about earlier in this log has gotten better (not perfect though). I'm in the process of finding a new optician. My BP is slightly high.
All in all this cycle seems to be a success. And I'm starting to come up with ideas for my next cycle to cut for a summer contest. I was always one of the guys who said I'd always be natural (I was a little niave about my views on performance enhancers). But this board and some friends as well as a ****load of reading and reflection has helped me realize that things like anabolics help people reach and surpass goals, so I am glad I've tried this little experiement and I'm looking forward to the rest of the week.
On a side note: I'm in an extroidinarily good mood this morning because i finally found a Duncan Donuts for coffee on my way to work and i don't have to drink the sludge we have at the office any longer.
03-16-2006, 09:53 AM
Awesome log man...Im going to be starting a PP/fini cycle in a few weeks so its good to see the results people are getting with PP alone. Subscribed!Originally Posted by PumpingIron
03-18-2006, 01:10 AM
get log man. i am about to start my phera plex cycle within the next 7-10 days(waiting on nolvadex). really excited because it will be my first run of this ****. i am about the same size as u and this log is very informative. good luck the rest of the way.
03-18-2006, 08:23 PM
Quick little update before i go out tonight. It's really amazing how between 8~10 lbs can really change the way you look. I'm so much fuller nowadays. I'm about to head out to see a girl down the shore, and it took me forever to find something to put on the wouldn't split at the seams if i moved the wrong way.
THIS STUFF IS GREAT!!!
Oh, and running it at 30mgs has been great, pumps are much better, in and out of the gym. I kind of wish i had run the cycle 20/20/30/30, but theres always next time...a few days left until I get to the PCT (tuesday).
I can't wait til the summer, then I won't have to find **** to wear or buy new clothes that fit...
Did I mention, Phera is awesome!?!?!?
03-20-2006, 01:07 PM
Final day of the cycle.
This have gone great. Yesterday my bench was up to 275 x 3, again without a spot, so I'm sure I would've been able to get more. Today is another leg day, so I'll let you guys know some numbers on my squat tonight or tomorrow.
The only sides I'm feeling off of this product are mild cases of acne, slight bloating and a minor increase of BP. All of these are barely noticable and are similar to other supplements (non-hormonal) I've used in the past.
I'm starting to plan my 2nd cycle of something new, whether is might be a SD standalone or a M-TRN/M-TST stack or a PP/PRO stack or something else, all oppinions would be appreciated. A three week SD looks like it might be the best option before I begin my contest prep. But I will entertain all and any ideas.
As far as Phera goes. Great product, little to no sides. Perfect for a first timer. Strength increase was apparent, which makes you want to goto the gym more. Size increase was great because like I said in my previous post, nothing can beat the fact that 10 lbs really changes your composition. Which again, makes you want to train harder. My vascularity is definately up, expecially in my legs. But my BF has gone up in my midsection, which makes me wonder. Hopefully this will go away during PCT, but I will keep you posted.
So this is what I am going to start tomorrow morning...
and I will continue with...
RYR w/ Co-Q10
I was wondering if you guys believe in the time on time off period or the time on + PCT equals time off period? I'm just trying to come up with a calendar for my next cycle...no big deal though.
Thanks for reading and everyones input, I'll post again tomorrow...
03-21-2006, 08:53 AM
My Phera cycle is officially over...It's kind of upsetting to say. This is a great compound, and I highly recommend it. Since I have no prior AAS experience, I would have to give this 4 out of 5 stars in meeting an/or surpassing my expectations.
Start - 195
Finish - 206
Change of 11lbs, I gained most of it in the final two weeks.
BP Start: 225 x 6
Finish : 275 x4
Squat Start: 315 x 5
Finish: 375 x 6
(these are just 2nd to last sets in a 5 or 6 set exercise, I always use a drop set for the final set)
Workouts were phenomenal, mush more focused, better muscle endurance. I ended up working harder both because of the physical and mental changed the drug had in me.
Family and friends all commented on my demeanor, saying I have become a little more focused and easy going. This may be also from my absitnance from alcohol, which I am planning on sticking with.
I will throw up my BP in a few days, it is still a little high. My nuts have seemed to shrink a little, nothing major. Hopefully that will rebound nicely with the PCT. But getting it up and getting a nut off was no problem while on cycle.
If there is anything else you guys want to know please ask...I'll be more then happy to help...
If you want to know about the taste of Nolva, please don't ask...just make sure you have a drink with a strong flavor to wash it back with...it's kind of gross.
All in all, great cycle.
03-21-2006, 10:02 AM
First of all great log! It has definitely been inspirational as have the other PP logs. Congrats on the gains!Originally Posted by PumpingIron
I plan on running my first cycle, a PP/finigen cycle in a few weeks, at the end of my school semester and I have been trying to find nolva or tamoxifen w/o a prescription. Those sites that I have found w/o a prescription seem to be outrageously high priced, something like $95 for 30 20mg tabs plus shipping. Where did you find yours at and how much did you pay including dosage? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
03-21-2006, 10:24 AM
Great log and great work!!
I'm gonna be running my first cycle in about 5 weeks, and i gotta say that this log as been extremely helpful. So, a nice Thank you is in order as well.
03-21-2006, 10:30 AM
Take a look at the board sponsors...especially the ones that you would think to sell "research chemicals". Make sure you look for Tamoxifen Citrate. The prices are around 30~35$ for 30mL, where 1mL=20mgs.Originally Posted by xaneimas
Good luck with your cycle bro.
03-21-2006, 04:47 PM
Originally Posted by PumpingIron
Thanks man I appreciate the help. I'll make a log once I begin so be on the lookout for it.
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