Iron's Phera Log

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  1. sorry for interupting your log but this has allways been a big wonder to me why dont i hear much about taking creatine while on pro-hormones?? and while im asking this question what is the longest anybody has ran pp i allways see 4 weeks on most logs


  2. Quote Originally Posted by bandit9308
    sorry for interupting your log but this has allways been a big wonder to me why dont i hear much about taking creatine while on pro-hormones?? and while im asking this question what is the longest anybody has ran pp i allways see 4 weeks on most logs
    Well its a methyl so many people like to run shorter cycles. plus the gins stop comin after about 4 weeks for most people and if you raise the dosage your going to have more sides. And I would use a creatine in my PCt to help keep my strength up...but thats just me.

    BTW Looking think PI.
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  3. Yea, exactly LCSULLA, I'm sving the CEE until PCT to keep the strength a bit.

    And Jared, I agree, I posted earlier in this log that i plan on doing more PCT then may be need in such an uncomplicated cycle, but I want to cover all basics...

  4. DAY 20:

    Alright, quick note. I think I have a problem with going to the gym, I think I'm addicted, haha. But its started to move me in the direction of overtraining. The PP is helping out, but i don't think I have gotten the fullest potential out of the compound. I'm gonna sit down this week and devise a new workout plan.

    Also today is the last day at 20mgs. I'm going to make the jump up to 30mgs tomorrow and continue for the the final week.

    Oh, and I'm taking the day off from the gym.

    I'll post again tomorrow.

  5. Good Thread, keep it up.

    Did your weight change at all?

  6. very good log, subscribe

  7. Quote Originally Posted by kingmob
    Good Thread, keep it up.

    Did your weight change at all?
    Yea, so far, in 20 days, about a 7lbs increase. I started at 195 and im around 202...

  8. great thread

    subscribed

  9. Damn, I want to see those pics, but it says I can't til I have at least 10 posts. I've been posting on the bb.com forums since sept. 04. I just ordered some pp and sd from this site and decided to join the forums here. Awesome log you have going. I'll be checking in often.

    Nine more posts to go til I can see those pics

  10. It takes ten posts to see pics? I never knew that.
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  11. Day 24:

    So things are going well, I'm in the middle of my third day of taking 30mgs. I have yet to see pretty much any cosmetic sides that aren't easily fixed, minus a little bloating. Acne has been very easily remidied. Weight is up to 204 this morning (9lbs increase for those who are mathematically challenged, like myself). I look big, not quite as lean as when i started but I am just as vascular and bigger (exactly what i expected). I get looks and stares at the gym a little more often then normal, but when people ask me questions i basically tell them I'm starting to get ready for one of the NJ NPC shows and they don't press the issue of what I'm on or anything.

    I personally like ot train at my gym alone. I get a spot on heavy presses, but thats it, I usually hit my zone.

    But my strength has definately increased. 265x4 Flat bench (on my 5 set), 365X6 squat (one my 5 set as well). I never like to lift big becuase I always try to focus on the movement and concentrate on the muscle group extension and contraction during each rep, but these weights aren't too hard to move around and I can focus with them. Slow reps are the way to go my friends...

    The eye sight that I was complaining about earlier in this log has gotten better (not perfect though). I'm in the process of finding a new optician. My BP is slightly high.

    All in all this cycle seems to be a success. And I'm starting to come up with ideas for my next cycle to cut for a summer contest. I was always one of the guys who said I'd always be natural (I was a little niave about my views on performance enhancers). But this board and some friends as well as a ****load of reading and reflection has helped me realize that things like anabolics help people reach and surpass goals, so I am glad I've tried this little experiement and I'm looking forward to the rest of the week.

    On a side note: I'm in an extroidinarily good mood this morning because i finally found a Duncan Donuts for coffee on my way to work and i don't have to drink the sludge we have at the office any longer.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron
    Day 24:

    So things are going well, I'm in the middle of my third day of taking 30mgs. I have yet to see pretty much any cosmetic sides that aren't easily fixed, minus a little bloating. Acne has been very easily remidied. Weight is up to 204 this morning (9lbs increase for those who are mathematically challenged, like myself). I look big, not quite as lean as when i started but I am just as vascular and bigger (exactly what i expected). I get looks and stares at the gym a little more often then normal, but when people ask me questions i basically tell them I'm starting to get ready for one of the NJ NPC shows and they don't press the issue of what I'm on or anything.

    I personally like ot train at my gym alone. I get a spot on heavy presses, but thats it, I usually hit my zone.

    But my strength has definately increased. 265x4 Flat bench (on my 5 set), 365X6 squat (one my 5 set as well). I never like to lift big becuase I always try to focus on the movement and concentrate on the muscle group extension and contraction during each rep, but these weights aren't too hard to move around and I can focus with them. Slow reps are the way to go my friends...

    The eye sight that I was complaining about earlier in this log has gotten better (not perfect though). I'm in the process of finding a new optician. My BP is slightly high.

    All in all this cycle seems to be a success. And I'm starting to come up with ideas for my next cycle to cut for a summer contest. I was always one of the guys who said I'd always be natural (I was a little niave about my views on performance enhancers). But this board and some friends as well as a ****load of reading and reflection has helped me realize that things like anabolics help people reach and surpass goals, so I am glad I've tried this little experiement and I'm looking forward to the rest of the week.

    On a side note: I'm in an extroidinarily good mood this morning because i finally found a Duncan Donuts for coffee on my way to work and i don't have to drink the sludge we have at the office any longer.
    Awesome log man...Im going to be starting a PP/fini cycle in a few weeks so its good to see the results people are getting with PP alone. Subscribed!

  13. get log man. i am about to start my phera plex cycle within the next 7-10 days(waiting on nolvadex). really excited because it will be my first run of this ****. i am about the same size as u and this log is very informative. good luck the rest of the way.

  14. Quick little update before i go out tonight. It's really amazing how between 8~10 lbs can really change the way you look. I'm so much fuller nowadays. I'm about to head out to see a girl down the shore, and it took me forever to find something to put on the wouldn't split at the seams if i moved the wrong way.

    THIS STUFF IS GREAT!!!

    Oh, and running it at 30mgs has been great, pumps are much better, in and out of the gym. I kind of wish i had run the cycle 20/20/30/30, but theres always next time...a few days left until I get to the PCT (tuesday).

    I can't wait til the summer, then I won't have to find **** to wear or buy new clothes that fit...

    Did I mention, Phera is awesome!?!?!?

  15. Day 28:

    Final day of the cycle.

    This have gone great. Yesterday my bench was up to 275 x 3, again without a spot, so I'm sure I would've been able to get more. Today is another leg day, so I'll let you guys know some numbers on my squat tonight or tomorrow.

    The only sides I'm feeling off of this product are mild cases of acne, slight bloating and a minor increase of BP. All of these are barely noticable and are similar to other supplements (non-hormonal) I've used in the past.

    I'm starting to plan my 2nd cycle of something new, whether is might be a SD standalone or a M-TRN/M-TST stack or a PP/PRO stack or something else, all oppinions would be appreciated. A three week SD looks like it might be the best option before I begin my contest prep. But I will entertain all and any ideas.

    As far as Phera goes. Great product, little to no sides. Perfect for a first timer. Strength increase was apparent, which makes you want to goto the gym more. Size increase was great because like I said in my previous post, nothing can beat the fact that 10 lbs really changes your composition. Which again, makes you want to train harder. My vascularity is definately up, expecially in my legs. But my BF has gone up in my midsection, which makes me wonder. Hopefully this will go away during PCT, but I will keep you posted.

    So this is what I am going to start tomorrow morning...

    CEE
    BCAAs
    Retain
    Nolva
    Rebound

    and I will continue with...

    Hawthorn
    RYR w/ Co-Q10
    Milk Thistle
    Fish Oil

    throughout PCT.

    I was wondering if you guys believe in the time on time off period or the time on + PCT equals time off period? I'm just trying to come up with a calendar for my next cycle...no big deal though.

    Thanks for reading and everyones input, I'll post again tomorrow...

  16. Cycle Results:

    My Phera cycle is officially over...It's kind of upsetting to say. This is a great compound, and I highly recommend it. Since I have no prior AAS experience, I would have to give this 4 out of 5 stars in meeting an/or surpassing my expectations.

    Weight:
    Start - 195
    Finish - 206
    Change of 11lbs, I gained most of it in the final two weeks.

    Strength:
    BP Start: 225 x 6
    Finish : 275 x4

    Squat Start: 315 x 5
    Finish: 375 x 6
    (these are just 2nd to last sets in a 5 or 6 set exercise, I always use a drop set for the final set)

    Workouts were phenomenal, mush more focused, better muscle endurance. I ended up working harder both because of the physical and mental changed the drug had in me.

    Family and friends all commented on my demeanor, saying I have become a little more focused and easy going. This may be also from my absitnance from alcohol, which I am planning on sticking with.

    I will throw up my BP in a few days, it is still a little high. My nuts have seemed to shrink a little, nothing major. Hopefully that will rebound nicely with the PCT. But getting it up and getting a nut off was no problem while on cycle.

    If there is anything else you guys want to know please ask...I'll be more then happy to help...

    If you want to know about the taste of Nolva, please don't ask...just make sure you have a drink with a strong flavor to wash it back with...it's kind of gross.

    All in all, great cycle.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron
    Cycle Results:

    My Phera cycle is officially over...It's kind of upsetting to say. This is a great compound, and I highly recommend it. Since I have no prior AAS experience, I would have to give this 4 out of 5 stars in meeting an/or surpassing my expectations.

    Weight:
    Start - 195
    Finish - 206
    Change of 11lbs, I gained most of it in the final two weeks.

    Strength:
    BP Start: 225 x 6
    Finish : 275 x4

    Squat Start: 315 x 5
    Finish: 375 x 6
    (these are just 2nd to last sets in a 5 or 6 set exercise, I always use a drop set for the final set)

    Workouts were phenomenal, mush more focused, better muscle endurance. I ended up working harder both because of the physical and mental changed the drug had in me.

    Family and friends all commented on my demeanor, saying I have become a little more focused and easy going. This may be also from my absitnance from alcohol, which I am planning on sticking with.

    I will throw up my BP in a few days, it is still a little high. My nuts have seemed to shrink a little, nothing major. Hopefully that will rebound nicely with the PCT. But getting it up and getting a nut off was no problem while on cycle.

    If there is anything else you guys want to know please ask...I'll be more then happy to help...

    If you want to know about the taste of Nolva, please don't ask...just make sure you have a drink with a strong flavor to wash it back with...it's kind of gross.

    All in all, great cycle.
    First of all great log! It has definitely been inspirational as have the other PP logs. Congrats on the gains!

    I plan on running my first cycle, a PP/finigen cycle in a few weeks, at the end of my school semester and I have been trying to find nolva or tamoxifen w/o a prescription. Those sites that I have found w/o a prescription seem to be outrageously high priced, something like $95 for 30 20mg tabs plus shipping. Where did you find yours at and how much did you pay including dosage? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  18. Great log and great work!!

    I'm gonna be running my first cycle in about 5 weeks, and i gotta say that this log as been extremely helpful. So, a nice Thank you is in order as well.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by xaneimas
    First of all great log! It has definitely been inspirational as have the other PP logs. Congrats on the gains!

    I plan on running my first cycle, a PP/finigen cycle in a few weeks, at the end of my school semester and I have been trying to find nolva or tamoxifen w/o a prescription. Those sites that I have found w/o a prescription seem to be outrageously high priced, something like $95 for 30 20mg tabs plus shipping. Where did you find yours at and how much did you pay including dosage? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Take a look at the board sponsors...especially the ones that you would think to sell "research chemicals". Make sure you look for Tamoxifen Citrate. The prices are around 30~35$ for 30mL, where 1mL=20mgs.

    Good luck with your cycle bro.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron
    Take a look at the board sponsors...especially the ones that you would think to sell "research chemicals". Make sure you look for Tamoxifen Citrate. The prices are around 30~35$ for 30mL, where 1mL=20mgs.

    Good luck with your cycle bro.

    Thanks man I appreciate the help. I'll make a log once I begin so be on the lookout for it.

  21. E****lent Log bro.. You worked hard and reaped the benefits.. nice work

  22. When are you planning to start your SD cycle?

  23. Mullet, I'm not sure, I want to start it in 4 weeks, but I really don't know if that's going to the best idea...Right now I'm reading into different ideas about how long you should stay off...

    It sucks though, cuz I really want to keep growing, but I want to make sure I'm healthy too...you know?

    I'll let you guys know what I decide.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron
    Mullet, I'm not sure, I want to start it in 4 weeks, but I really don't know if that's going to the best idea...Right now I'm reading into different ideas about how long you should stay off...

    It sucks though, cuz I really want to keep growing, but I want to make sure I'm healthy too...you know?

    I'll let you guys know what I decide.
    Ohh man, do I ever know...I have all these supps burning a whole in my cabinet but am waiting till I am 185-190 @ 5'10 to do a cycle..I sit around the same BF as you, around 8-10%...Well. I think most people on here would tell you to wait time on+pct till your next cycle, so essentially 8 weeks..I think you could probably get away with six, just get some blood done, as long as your tests/bp/lipids are good to go I'd say give 'er after six..You aren't doing the same complex twice in a row so I don't think it will effect your gains, but health is always first..

  25. hell ya just startre pp 4 days ago
    start weight 160
    im at 164 this morning an have been sleeping great
    great post

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    Ohh man, do I ever know...I have all these supps burning a whole in my cabinet but am waiting till I am 185-190 @ 5'10 to do a cycle..I sit around the same BF as you, around 8-10%...Well. I think most people on here would tell you to wait time on+pct till your next cycle, so essentially 8 weeks..I think you could probably get away with six, just get some blood done, as long as your tests/bp/lipids are good to go I'd say give 'er after six..You aren't doing the same complex twice in a row so I don't think it will effect your gains, but health is always first..
    yea man...I think I'm going to get the bloodwork done sometime within my PCT, since I just recently got out of college (dropped from my rents insurance) and got my own, I really don't think that they are going to question my reasoning for it at all...so it sohuld be a free test, plus phsyical and the whole nine...

    but there are so many things out there that I want to try...like i mentioned before, SD (I'm a little weary of the sides), a Phera/Pro Stack, a MTST/MTRN stack...but mostly I just want to keep growing...haha

    you said you're waiting until youre 185-190, what are you at now? and what are you thinking about running?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by eleazar17
    hell ya just startre pp 4 days ago
    start weight 160
    im at 164 this morning an have been sleeping great
    great post
    nice, best of luck man...

  28. Quote Originally Posted by PumpingIron
    yea man...I think I'm going to get the bloodwork done sometime within my PCT, since I just recently got out of college (dropped from my rents insurance) and got my own, I really don't think that they are going to question my reasoning for it at all...so it sohuld be a free test, plus phsyical and the whole nine...

    but there are so many things out there that I want to try...like i mentioned before, SD (I'm a little weary of the sides), a Phera/Pro Stack, a MTST/MTRN stack...but mostly I just want to keep growing...haha

    you said you're waiting until youre 185-190, what are you at now? and what are you thinking about running?
    Right now I am sitting at 170-175, right in the middle of a really good bulk, still about as lean as my avy (I am only 158 in that pic) . And I kinda want to do that TST/TRN stack as well, but seeing as it will be my first cycle, I am going to do either an SD or TRN standalone...

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    Right now I am sitting at 170-175, right in the middle of a really good bulk, still about as lean as my avy (I am only 158 in that pic) . And I kinda want to do that TST/TRN stack as well, but seeing as it will be my first cycle, I am going to do either an SD or TRN standalone...
    So i take it you don't want to hinder any future gains by not maximizing your body pre-AAS? Makes sense to me. I was just about as big as I've ever gotten before I did this cycle...195. I think my peak weight in life (other then right this second) was around 200...and I never try to go above 10% BF, so it was really hard to get myself to that point...

    but ****, im itchin to start that SD cycle...haha

  30. wow - great log

    let us know how the pct goes.
  

  
 

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