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    been lurking for a while now I have a cycle planned


    Hello everyone, sorry I am new here, but I have been researching here and lurking on here as well as on bodybuilding . com trying to learn as much as possible and there is so much knowledge I am very thankful to have access to such great minds... Well anyway I'm getting together my mass gaining cycle have most of my supplies but still waiting on Nolva and Clomid to come thru,
    1st I am still in planning stages so I would like to post my plan here and get critiscm, flamed, advised or whatever so that I my learn more , tweak my plan, and just get general ideas on how to make it as successfull as possible with the stuff I have.
    I apologize because my wife has stated my allowance for supplements has run out for this year so I am stuck with what I got and with the exception of nolva, clomid, nutrition(food and shakes), and maybe cheap support supplements if advise by you guys... My next post/reply will contain the plan.

    again thank you for taking the time to review my thread, please feel free to comment in any way good or bad I need to learn MORE

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    goddamn, you have an allowance for supps? set by the wife?

    sorry, plz continue.
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    Here's the Plan


    what I have planned is basically 12 weeks long:
    PH STAGE
    week 1:
    17-hydroxy-Mesterone by IDs
    1 capsule pd
    Prostanozol by ALRI
    2 cap pd (50mg total)
    NOS (a cheap arginine/nitr product)
    3 pill 3x per day about 3,000mg per 3
    week 2:
    17-H > 2 caps pd
    prost > 3 caps pd (75mg total)
    NOS 3 pill 3x pd
    week 3:
    17-H > 2 caps pd
    prost > 3 caps pd (75mg total)
    NOS > 3 pill 3x pd
    week 4:
    Methyl Masterdrol by legal gear
    3 cap pd (30mg total)
    Attack by Kilosports
    1 pill at night pd (50mg total) note will have nolva on hand in case of gyno or gyno paranoia at any time during cycle
    Nitrix by BSN
    3 pill 2x pd
    white blood by controlled Labs
    1 cap pd ( don't have enough for full dosing so I am combing with nitrix just to make use of it)
    Homemade Cellmass (lol) [just some left over creatine, glutamine, MSM, sample NO xplode packs and cellmass packs, cinnimum for flavor, sugar etc mixed together.]
    1 serv pd
    week 5:
    Same as week 4
    +
    Primobolan Acetate orals by Promatrix
    (4-andosten-4-ol-3beta, 17beta-dione Acetate) 100mg per tab
    1 tab pd (100mg total)
    week 6:
    same as week 4
    +
    1st 3 days of week 6
    primobolan
    1 tab pd
    4th day to 7th day of week 6
    primobolan
    2 tabs pd
    week 7:
    Methyl 1-p by legal gear
    3 caps pd (150mg total) (not sure should I split em up or take at once like at last meal or something???)
    Primobolan
    2 tabs 3x pd (600mg total)
    Attack
    1 cap at night pd (50mg total)
    DHEA
    1 tab pd (25mg) (not sure what time of day to take this is best???)
    Nitrix
    3 pill 2 x pd
    Creatine Monohydrate by EAS
    Loading for this weak
    1 serv 4x pd
    FULL BLOWN PCT STAGE
    week 8:
    Ultra HOTter by ALRI
    3 caps at night pd
    Rebound XT by Designer supplements
    3 caps divide throughout day
    advanced Steroidal Complex by Healthy 'n Fit
    3 caps 2x pd
    Ecdy Max by EAS HP
    1 serv 2 times pd
    Product X Transform by Legal Gear
    2 caps 3 x pd
    Super Macho by De La Cruz Products for DLC laboratories
    (this is a bovine glandular concentrate)
    1 pill pd
    Z Force by Dymatize
    1 serving nightly have reg. ZMA to replace with when out of Z Force
    Accelerator Humanofort by Worldsize
    2 sprays 3x per day
    Humagro by biopharma USA
    3 pellets 3 x pd
    ALC generic
    1 gram per day
    Chromium Picolinate generic
    200 mg per day
    Super Charge by Labrada
    1 scoop before workout 1 pd
    Recharge by Labrada
    4 caps 2 x per day
    Muscle nitrous by VPX (w/ arg ethy est)
    5ml 2x per day
    Creatine drink mix generic (with 5 g creatine and 1 gram of tarinine and some sugar/carbs)
    1-2 servings pd
    week 9:
    same as week 8
    week 10:
    ultra Hotter >3 at night
    Novedex XT by Gaspari Nutrition
    4 caps pd (240mg total) (not sure if I should take at different time than Ultra Hotter???)
    Product X Transform > 2 cap 3x pd
    Super Macho > 2 cap pd
    ZForce/zma > 1 serv at night pd
    ALC > 1 gram pd
    Chrom Pico > 200 mg pd
    Creatine drink mix > 1-2 serv pd
    Super Charge > 1 scoop preWO pd
    Recharge > 4 cap 2 x pd
    Muscle Nitrous > 5ml 2x pd
    week 11:
    Ultra Hotter > 2 caps at night pd
    Novedex XT > 4 caps pd
    Product X Transform > 2 caps 3 x pd
    Relacore by the Carter-Reed Company
    2 caps 3x pd
    Super Macho > 2 cap pd
    DHEA > 1/2 tab pd (12.5 mg total)
    ALC > 1 gram pd
    Chrom Pico > 200 mg pd
    Creatine drink mix > 1-2 serv pd
    super charge > 1 scoop preWO pd
    week 12:
    Ultra Hotter > 1 cap at night pd
    Rebound XT > 2 caps pd
    Novedex XT > 1 cap pd
    ZMA > 1 serv at night pd
    chrom pico > 400 mg pd
    Creatine drink mix > 1-2 serv pd
    super charge > 1 scoop preWO pd
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    My supporting supplements on hand to be used as or if needed are as follows:
    1 a Day vitamin (heart and prostrate focus)
    Animal Pak
    bone booster by pinnacle
    Elastimine by primaforce
    ginkgo biloba 60mg by NOW
    Myostim by champion nutrition
    Horny Goat weed w/maca by Sundown
    Perfect cycle by AX
    SAM-e 200mg
    odorless Garlic by Spring Valley
    red yeast rice 600mg by Rexall
    grapeseed30mg w/antioxidant complex by sundown
    Noxidant by scivation
    Aloe vera whole herb caps by sundown
    Cholesterol Balance w/Beta Sitosterol by Natrol
    Gallstonex artichoke special formula by solaray
    Milk Thistle 80% silymarin by Nature's Answer
    BladdeX by Nature's Answer
    Kidney Blend SP-6 by Solaray
    pH-Basic by enzymedica
    Vitamin E w/wheat germ oil & lecithin 400 iu
    Vitamin A 8000 iu
    Vitamin C w/ Rose Hips 1000mg
    Echinacea/Goldenseal/Cayene caps
    Niacin 100mg
    premium Inosine caps 500mg by ultimate nutrition
    a small amount of fenugreek
    Revenge Pro by champion nutriton
    Cardio2 by nature made
    All Day Energy by six star
    organic Triple Fiber w/flaxseed,oatbran,acacia by renew life
    superior Amino2222 Tabs by Optimum
    Glutamine select plus BCAAs by Beverly International
    Detox 7
    Liver tabs by NOW
    Siberian Root(eleuthero) 450 mg by Origin

    and of course until I have my nolva and clomid in hand I will not begin this cycle also I will await humbly for whatever advice you guys would dispose upon me.
    So any way thanks in advance for you time and/or your suggestions, critiques, flames whatever just please help me make sure I do the best with what I got
    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    goddamn, you have an allowance for supps? set by the wife?

    sorry, plz continue.
    Yeah lol she's a fiesty one but hey I managed to procure a rather nice stash anyway....
    just had to buy a little at a time
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    Good lord I think your overdoing the supplements there bud
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberMuscle
    Good lord I think your overdoing the supplements there bud
    i concur. how do you fit food in your stomach after all that?

    speaking of which, post up your diet. that would be a lot more useful than the oodles of noodles you've laid out.
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    Well actually I'm not on this cycle plan right now, It is a representation of what I have and , well (little embarassed) I did get carried away in the planning stage here, I got so excited while learning about each supplement and cycles and diet plans and training routines etc. and I kept getting ideas and reading more and "oh I should put that in" on and on until the work of "art" you see before you was formed.
    And knowing that I needed some objective criticism I posted it here for your comments. so if you could, can anyone give their opinion as to what I should draw from this cycle as being the core "all I need" or "enough" to be a good cycle and what should I drop and save for later endeavors.?.?.?
    and to answer the diet question, I eat at least six meals a day (when I am doing good LOL) depending upon my training intensity I take in 250-400 grams of protein, a matching amount of carbs, and limit my fat intake to only the good stuff such as from Flax and Fish or Fish oil
    like the grams of protein / carbs / fat my calories of course vary upon intensity of training and goals....
    I try to eat lean meats, fruits, vegies, good carbs such as oatmeal and brown rice etc. (my favs for carbs) I even try to go organic when possible and when funds permit (Whole Foods Market is expensive) I use protien shakes and MRPs between meals, in "emergencies", before and/or after workouts, and sometimes at bedtime (again depends on intensity and goals) for the planned cycle I was definitely looking foward to eating at the high end of grams and calories and at least 6 meals a day, I had it planned to work in the supps and food/shakes without "conflict" on paper but paper is not the real deal ,
    So thank you for expressing your concerns about this "exaggerated" plan, I must admit I really wanted/want to do this cycle as is but if anyone can help me weed out the unneccessaries I would greatly appreciate it, and I am sure I would have much better gains not to mention the knowledge i would gain... Thanks again I hope to hear more replys and comments soon!
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    A few stats would be helpful i.e. age, wt, ht, BF%, years training, PH/AAS experience...
    I'd highly recommend rethinking your plan after you put some research time here. Quite a lot of supps. Most I've no experience with or never heard of. I have played with the prostanazol, rebound, ultra hotter, clomid, nolva. Looks like you are running quite a few AI's during cycle and PCT. That primobolan in week 6 & 7 is it actual primobolan or is it that acetate stuff you are running the week before?
    Hopefully you kept the receipts for all this stuff?
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    my personal stats: well here goes....
    I am not exactly a beginer but not super experience either so I'd just say that I am a student and am willing and love to learn all I can about bodybuilding, fitness, nutrition, supplementation, etc.
    I have been lifting weights for about 3-4 years (wow that is nothing compared to most of you LOL) I have been invovled in fitness all my life though... As early I can remember I have studied Martial Arts, Starting with Judo as a young child, then Tang So Do, and some Hop Ki Do, and most recently I have found my calling CAPOEIRA, and have also started training ju jitsu, boxing, wrestling etc. in an effort to possibly persue MMA competitions and to just plain better myself... I was also involved in cross country (long distance running) during High School, and an afterschool program called raiders that delt with the classic fitness approach: pushups , pullups, situps, running, jumping jacks, etc....
    as I said my lifting of weights career is still green... but I have found great benifit from it and now it is part of my life... I am so glad their are forums like this, but especially this one and anabolic minds, I lose myself in these forums for hours LOL not even intentionally its just so fun.
    whoops too much typing well physical stats are:
    24 years old 6'2" 210-215 lbs, hold a bit of fat from a previous bulk that I had attempted and then towards the end I got and infected wisdom tooth and today had that removed plus the others anyway it was weird how one little tooth infection that I didn't notice till it was "too late" affected my entire health from small ways to headaches and fever etc... well glad thats over now time to start training again... um as soon as these gums close up sufficiently
    early this year around febuary I was 200 lbs approx and I did a very successfull leaning out program that put me at 182 lbs for my testing (capoeira) on May 1st Man I felt so fast at that wieght
    Then when my teacher took a trip to brazil I wanted to start a bulking program and I used a combo of Animal products (mstak stak2 the pak liver tabs as well as creatine and NO products) gain a good bulk to 203lbs or so with much better muscle than I had in febuary I took a rest from bulking and then repeated a diff bulk around end of august using combos of nitrix, CEX, dominator, M 1-p, I blew my mind and actually lost some fat and gained great muscle and at one point I was 226lbs but when I started getting sick I at first thought it was the PHs and I slowed and eventually stopped them only to continue to feel worse LOL and then found it was the tooth and here I am lost some muscle gain some fat and sitting at around 215 LOL crazy!
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    The primobolan is acetate and not the actual "steroid". it was sold as an AI
    Primobolan Acetate orals by Promatrix
    (4-andosten-4-ol-3beta, 17beta-dione Acetate) 100mg per tab
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    any method to the madness of running multiple AI's during PCT? I am guessing that the Methyl Masterdrol by legal gear is similar to Superdrol. I would highly rec'd you simplify your cycle. Something like:
    week 1-3: Methyl Masterdrol 20mg/day
    week 3-5: prostanazol 75-100mg/day
    Then do a search about your other supps and see what the experience is on this board with them. Half of them look like bunk & hype products. Sorry if that offends you but IJMHO.
    Frontload some milk thistle & hawthorne ~ 2 weeks prior.
    If you are prone to gyno get yourself some Nolva (tamoxifen citrate) not Novedex.
    Run a search re: PCT or just go look thru the designated forum.
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    thanks for your advice. Yes I am waiting for the real Nolva before I start any cycle.
    as for having so many AI on PCT> I am leaning towards simplification as well... thank you
    Anybody have any suggestions for which products I have listed for Post cycle that are/should be "THE ONES TO KEEP" so I can save uneeded ones for other times and further simplify my cycle???? I appreciate your time and advice...
    thanks jonny21, I will definitely continue to do research.
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    Gee, thanks for the neg rep

    Nevertheless, I would stick with the Rebound, creatine (preferbly CEE), and I would recommend purchasing Lean Xtreme or reduce for cortisol control. Nolva as a precaution or you could just run it Nolva 40,40,20,20. Helps with the lipid profile. If you do, run the Rebound 20,20,50,50 or so.

    More research on your part would also be recommended. It only helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny21
    Gee, thanks for the neg rep

    Nevertheless, I would stick with the Rebound, creatine (preferbly CEE), and I would recommend purchasing Lean Xtreme or reduce for cortisol control. Nolva as a precaution or you could just run it Nolva 40,40,20,20. Helps with the lipid profile. If you do, run the Rebound 20,20,50,50 or so.

    More research on your part would also be recommended. It only helps.
    what do you mean I gave you good points... oh well I ll fix that extra points for you just for the trouble and for still giving me advice when you thought I was trying to give you negative....
    I AM GIVING YOU REP POINTS THANKS FOR YOUR HELP AND CONTINUED ADVICE.
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