First Cycle 500mg Test E 10wk

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by brogers
    If my gains stall like yours did, I will probably stay on at the same dose and cut cals mildly to shed a little fat.
    this is a good idea. Recomp on any dose of test is significant.

    Quote Originally Posted by brogers
    Did you notice any more sides at 750 as compared to 500?
    nope
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    Glad it helped But, honestly, all that matters is seeing what works for you.

    IMO, i found that 500mg/wk test is not comparable to many of the OTC orals. And, in order to save my hdl/ldl and my liver, I'm going to avoid orals from now on. Moral: high dose test == the ****.
    Not comparable in what way? Better, worse, etc?? have you used sd too? If so, how would you compare an sd cycle to 500mg test for 10 weeks?
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  3. Just wanted to say good luck wit your cycle, looks like your gettin the results you want and then some..... I love reading other peoples cycle logs

  4. Quote Originally Posted by shoestring
    Not comparable in what way? Better, worse, etc?? have you used sd too? If so, how would you compare an sd cycle to 500mg test for 10 weeks?
    I found SD to be much stronger than Test at 500mg/wk.

    If you're under 200lbs and of average BF (12ish) then I'd say go for 500mg to start. Otherwise, I'd say go at least 750.

    I still prefer test. The gains keep coming and the feeling is more "normal".

    I'm no expert though, I hardly have any experience with hormones

    I just know that 500mg/wk didn't do much for me.

  5. Thanks for the post...

    I am trying to put my first AAS cycle together now and 99 percent sure it will be Test E with some orals to kickstart..

    Im soo sick of back pumps and the lethargy.. really takes the fun out of your gains. Not to mention all f'ed up stuff it does to your liver values.

    Im just wondering how much of a "natural feeling" and if bumping up the dosage affected some of your sides if any.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    I found SD to be much stronger than Test at 500mg/wk.

    If you're under 200lbs and of average BF (12ish) then I'd say go for 500mg to start. Otherwise, I'd say go at least 750.

    I still prefer test. The gains keep coming and the feeling is more "normal".

    I'm no expert though, I hardly have any experience with hormones

    I just know that 500mg/wk didn't do much for me.

    I'll be the FIRST to SECOND that.

    I had a fair amount of PH experience before my 500mg test run - compared to these fast acting orals - 500mg of test is nothing. 500mg is the bare minimum - and used if you have absolutely 0 AAS or PH (aka AAS).
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  7. Yeah I had no PH experience which alot of people had before jumping into the real deal. This is probably why I'm making (what I believe to be) good progress on 500mg.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by brogers
    Yeah I had no PH experience which alot of people had before jumping into the real deal. This is probably why I'm making (what I believe to be) good progress on 500mg.
    I'd say it has to do with your starting bodyweight 185 lbs starting would make 500mg plenty!

    Like I said in my post, if you're over 200-210lbs and of around average BF or less, 750+ would be my recommendation.

    I don't think PH/AAS experience matters nearly as much as size and where you are in relation to you genetic potential.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    I don't think PH/AAS experience matters nearly as much as size and where you are in relation to you genetic potential.
    Yep true - and the two often go hand in hand.

    I believe I'm near-to or past my genetic potential (because of methylated AAS' and PHs) - thus 500mg ain't going to cut it any more.
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  10. I'll repeat it, if you're over 200lbs or with a fair amount of PH (aka AAS) experience. Start at 750mg. Rick Collins, competitive bodybuilder turned J.D. will second this
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  11. Day 36
    Weight upon waking: 196

    When I injected L Delt thursday night I got alot of blood after I removed the needle. I think I knicked a vein or something, no blood ever entered the syringe. I aspirated, no blood. Never coughed after or anything to indicated oil got in a vein so that was good, but that sucker bled like none of them have, a drop would come out like every second (every beat of my heart?), anyway, weird.

    backne is becoming more prominent.

    Workout:
    Straight BB preacher curl: 80x10,2,1
    Reverse EZ bar curl: 70x7,4,3
    Calves
    SLDL: 295x10 (Grip failure GRRRR) Gonna start using straps on these now
    Hack Squat: 450x6, 350x20 (Great!)

    Hopefully I'll be at a solid 200 upon waking by monday.

  12. Do yourself a favor bro. If your grip starts failing on lifts while on cycle, on your first set, you're going too heavy..and you can get an injury easily.. supraphysiolical levels of test degrade collagen synthesis, thus increasing the possibility of injury.

    many people recommend not going too heavy too quick, on cycle... your tendons and joints aren't up to par yet.

    I hurt myself on SLDL's, going too heavy, on cycle... that's what spurred my little chime on here.

    10 weeks? bring it up to 12 or 14.. lol

  13. point taken, I'll focus more on increasing reps than increasing weight... 20 rep SLDLs

  14. Day 37
    Weight upon waking: 199

    workout:
    Decline Bench: 260x9 (finished on machine)
    Smith BTN Military Press 185x8,2 Stopped after this, gonna cut this out and replace it with Hammer Shoulder Press, it feels like too much of a stress on my joints
    Triceps: Took it easy on them, I felt like they needed it, did some work but didn't push it like usual.
    Hammer high row: 160 per side x 9,3,2
    Underhand grip Bent row 205x9,4,3

  15. subscribing bro, super interested to see how this works out after your PCT as well,

    good luck

  16. It should be obvious but if it needs hammering home anymore:
    cite: Legal Muscle, Rick Collins JD (page 171-172)

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    The following advice is from Bill Roberts, one of the more recognized non-medical authorities on anabolic pharmacology and the use of steroids for athletes:

    "Someone who is already 40lbs. more muscular than he could achieve naturallly, and who wishes to add still more for the purposes of competitive bodybuilding, will simply find no from a recommendation to use use 500 mg/week of Sustanon (or any other test ester)/ At best such a dose might allow him to maintain what he has, instead of slowly losin muscle while off drugs. Such an athlete will probably not achieve his goals with less than a gram per week of injectables, stacked with at least 50mg/day of orals. And he may need more than this. He is already far beyond what he could attain naturally, and more yet will not come easily."

    In my opinion, take that a step further - if you are near to or past your genetic limit - 500mg of test isn't going to move you any further. Looking back, it probably got me to my genetic limit (235LBM 16%, 197.4LBM).

    THE ONE GRAM PER WEEK RULE (cite: legal muscle)
    Based upon my conversations with countless steroids-using bodybuilders of all levels, the belief that one gram (1,000mg) of anabolic ssteroids per week is the benchmark for serious anabolic effects has been long accepted. This dosage would require, for example, for Sustanon 250 ampoules per week. Such weekly were being reported in the medical literature even in the more conservative 1980s: "Doses reportedly used by athletes for a cycle of use lasting 6 weeks or more can exceed 1 gram per week" [C.E. Yesalis, R.T. Herrick, et al., "Self-Reported Use of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids by Elite Power Lifters," 16 The Physician and Sportsmedicine, (1998), 91-100]. However, today the rule is frequently interpreted as a gram of testosterone per week, or very close to it, in conjunction with other androgens with.
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  17. [cite : Legal Muscle]

    Typical Doses:

    Testosterone - Beginner: 200-750mg/wk; Experienced/Ambitious: 750-3,000mg/wk

    Deca Beginner: 200-400mg/wk; Experienced/Ambitious: 300-1000mg/wk

    Dbol Beginner: 20-40mg/ED; Expereinced/Ambitious: 40-150mg ED.

    *Honestly I don't know why people get so freaked out about a gram of test. Because it's 1000mg? Every compound varies. A gram of test still won't be as strong as superdrol or M1T. Over a longer period it will yield more lasting and safer results. Methinks. Hell, if you're at or beyond your genetic limit - 500mg is cruising dose.
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  18. Day 52
    Weight upon waking: 203.5

    I apologize for the lack of updates, my semester is ending so I've been quite busy.

    Strength is up.. just Hack squatted 500lbs 5 times for example..

    Wrist is becoming an issue. My right wrist has been giving me problems, last time I worked out I had to stop doing BB Preacher curls because of pain. I have isolated the problem to be the use of straight bar for curling. Switched to an EZ-curl bar and I experience no pain (so far).

    I got sick, some sort of sinus/cold. This combined with the joint issues is why I have chosen to take my next 2 workouts off and resume as normal next week, I just felt that my body needed a break, especially with the sickness I figure it is better to get over it completely and bust ass in the gym @ 100%.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by brogers
    I got sick, some sort of sinus/cold. This combined with the joint issues is why I have chosen to take my next 2 workouts off and resume as normal next week, I just felt that my body needed a break, especially with the sickness I figure it is better to get over it completely and bust ass in the gym @ 100%.
    definitely the right thing to do. working out while getting over being sick is often times just asking for a "rebound" sickness.

  20. Weight upon waking: 207.5 (I was full of food still)

    BB bench, 255x9
    DB Mil Press 70x8
    Tri pressdown 110x7
    Pullups, BWx6, Pulldowns, 190x6,5
    Rack deads, 315x10 (taking it easy on these, I also stopped doing them rapidly, and would do one, set the bar down, wait a few seconds, go again, i felt it WAY more)

    Strenght was about the same as last workout, but I took off 2 workouts and was sick, so I will take this as a positive.

    I'm getting comments from everyone who hasn't seen me in awhile about my size. It's pretty cool.

    I've got acne pretty well under control.

    I'm debating throwing the var back in and recomping.. but I'm loving the size, I think I may just shoot for a solid 210, then late spring run a cutter.

    I couldn't be more pleased. So far, this has been nothing less than a great experience (except the fact that I bleed like a mofo on delt injections now!).

  21. Awesome, bro.

    And yeah, delts tend to do that

  22. Weight: 206.5
    Last night:

    BB Curl: 100x6 and stopped (wrist)
    Hammers 45x alot,alot,alot (kept weight low to take it somewhat easy on my wrist, did an obscene number of reps.
    Squat: 325x7, 245x20
    Leg curl
    Calves

  23. Wow man, thats an incredible 26lb gain so far. How is your body looking? Are you bloated at all, how much is solid muscle gained? Great strength there too with the squats. Sounds like the wrist is really getting to you. Tapping it up real tight before lifting might help. Using a straight bar is good and all, but causes problems with alot of peoples wrists and forearms, mine included. Ive started to use dumbells almost exclusively for curls and my bis have never been bigger. However, it is easy to neglect the short head when doing standing dumbell curls. To hit the short head of the bicep when doing dumbell curls, try sitting on an incline bench using a lighter weight. Curl out to the side, away from your body. The veritcal motion of the curl is the same, but the horizontal placement of your arms is different. Its at a 45 degree angle between where they would normally be and where they would be if you where doing dumbell lateral raises for your shoulders. This will allow you to really focus on the short head of the bicep for thickness and not so much the long head for peak. Just some food for thought

  24. I'm not bloated, at least I don't think. I may be holding a little bit of water in my abdominal region. I'd say that 20+lbs of it is muscle, honestly. I may have put on a couple pounds of fat, but considering I still have a couple weeks to go (I'm not going to stop until New Years.) this cycle has gone above and beyond my expectations. I originally was shooting for 20 lbs.. Well I hit that weeks ago. I was debating trying to hit 210 now or recomp. I think I will try a recomp.

    So to accomplish this:

    I added var back in as of tonight, took 20mg this evening, will be running it @ 60mg for a few weeks, diet will be kept cleaner (as best I can) and I am gonna do some cardio 2-3x a week. I would be most pleased if I could finish at around 208 upon waking with a little fat loss.

    Yes, I gotta do something about my curling. I'm gonna can BB curls completely, I'll do the preachers on a machine that doesn't bother me at all, and I'll do 2 varieties of db curls I guess, perhaps like you suggested, on an lincline bench, with traditional seated db curls. I will lighten up the weight and focus on good form. Another reason I added the var back in was for it's healing properties, hopefully it will help with this.

    BTW, HCG is the ****.

    Edit: I just read your previous post about dropping OTC orals and pinning.. I can't stress enough that pinning isn't that bad at all. I was scared ****less the first time I did it, but once I finally did it, I couldn't help but think I was a big wimp for being so scared of such a painless process, although it does get old after doing it for a few weeks. Also, I haven't really experienced side effects other than mild acne, and I know some of those orals nuke your cholesterol profile and stress your liver out, so do your body a favor and pin .

  25. 206? Not too shabby, you're gonna catch me soon. And sign on aim every once and a while tool.
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