[curlman25]

So basically just cut back on the calories? I thought you were supposed to maintain the same caloric intake that you were on cycle through PCT to help keep the gains.

[CEDeoudes59]

I meant during cycle - for PCT you should eat the same as on cycle. The more I read on PCT from experienced user I keep hearing that PCT gets harder and harder. Perfect diet + Perfect PCT drugs + Perfect Sleep = Muscle loss if youre far beyond your genetic limit.

in the week I was depressed after my friend killed herself, I didn't work out - could hardly eat - but still shot AAS for fear of losing my gains. The net result was a very small loss in weight but a noticable loss in fat. <-- that's recomp basically

[GREENFEATHER]

You're about a week ahead of me in my cycle. Same cycle and I'm up about 25 lbs right now as well.
Good luck,
ROB

[Pioneer]

what will be PCT for both of you?

[curlman25]

well this weekend things kinda hit the fan. My g/f found my stash. i had two pre-loaded needles in my dresser. so she found them and they got flushed down the toilet. so basically this cycle only lasted 8 weeks instead of the 9 weeks that i previously had planned out. (the vials werent filled to last 10 weeks)

so i guess i am goign to be starting PCT alittle earlier that originally though about.

Right now im looking at starting i guess 3 weeks since my last shot. My last shot was Nov 3rd so three weeks from then would put me on November 24th.

going to run Nolva for 4 weeks 40/40/20/20
Rebound XT 1/2/2/3
CEE through out
Tribulus 500-750mgs a day

[Pioneer]

wow i would be pissed if that happened. its not only expensive but (semi) hard to find. wow...

[ryano]

Wow that really blows...sorry.

Im glad im single.

I hope everything is ok.

[curlman25]

i start PCT today. Nolva 40/40/20/20, Rebound XT 1/2/2/3, Triblus and CEE and Liq Dex

My cycle got cut short b/c girl found the stuff-she freaked out and flushed them down the toilet. i was initially pissed but after talkign to her i never should have lied to her in the first place. anyways we talked and she said if i can show her the truth on steriods and stuff like that then she will be cool with my doing them.

So today i start. I have been keeping the calories up and the workouts the same as when i was on. Im starting to get fat so i cant wait till PCT is over so i can start doing some cardio and cutting on the diet.

I really dont know what to expect as far as PCT or what i am in store for but hopefully eveything works out for me.

Also i feel like i have gained some water weight while on cycle. When will i start to lose the water retention?

[CEDeoudes59]

Also i feel like i have gained some water weight while on cycle. When will i start to lose the water retention?

when the esters fully clear... and estrogen is back in normal proportions with your testosterone

2 things though:

why the LiquidDex? I know to you want to clear the water - but this may severly hinder your recovery.

Start the Nolvadex at 80mg for a week. Without HCG, you'll need a high dose of it. break up the dose @ 20,20,20,20 throughout the day.

sorry to hear you had to cut the cycle short.

edit: i'll play the devils advocate here and say if that 'bloat' still remains 2 weeks into PCT - then its fat . I, like you, gained quite a bit of weight and thought it was bloat - it was not. We both ran 500mg of test - and honestly that isn't sh_t if you are close/beyond your genetic limit or have prior AAS/PH experience. I based my progress on the scale - and ended up pretty strong but with a 40" waist. The good news is ~10 weeks later my face and waist is back normal (down 4 inches) after cutting/recomp.

[curlman25]

yea i wanted to use L-dex to hinder the water bloat. Might run something like .5 EOD or something along those lines.

[CEDeoudes59]

killing estrogen during PCT will crush recovery and libido
Just use the ATD methinks.
80mg of Nolva!