First cycle, nightmare pip, recovery of cycle. Humbly asking for thoughts.

[Tymba]

So I got some sust 350 was set for a schedule, had first shot into right glute, nbd 2days later getting Charlie horsey. So do sub q tummy area. Once again nbd for about 2 days then what starts to resemble a close-range paintball welt or bad bee sting super tender. So I go sub q quad, injection is fine again. Two days it's kinda knotty, do second sub q in quad. Butt still hurts, stomach is super tender still and quad is getting swollen. Cut to 2 days later my entire quad does grotesquely swollen. It's not warm not even that tender to touch really just looks like my entire quad got filled with fluid down to knee restricting ROM. It's lightly worsens over the weekend three days off work. Did not do another injection read about solvents BA BB EO. Assume I'm allergic to sust eo so I get my test E . So I don't miss a third shot. Does 400 in left glute And 200 of npp in right. That was Monday it's Thursday night and I can't even sit down.

Should I just go back to the sust? should I stay on the te? why am I reacting like this?

Shoot every third day, 200mg npp, 300mg test e every shot day is my schedule, all ancillary PCT stuff is on point. I also have anadrol I've been debating throwing in.

I don't want to just crash stop, but I can't keep doing this if every shot is crippling. :/

 

[Deusvultz]

What gauge needle are you using? I had worse pip with a smaller needle try a 23g if you are not using it already

 

[nosnmiveins]

if the teste has EO in it then you are probably allergic to it. I am and it cripples me

 

[Tymba]

I asked producer and he said no EO I hope he's not lying lol

 

[nosnmiveins]

Is it a high mg per ml?

 

[Tymba]

300 for T e and 350 for sust npp is 200 I believe

 

[nosnmiveins]

so the sust and npp arent giving you problems? have you pinned each oil separately to see which one in particular is causing the pain?

 

[mike33511]

You shouldn't do subcutaneous injections with cycle doses. People do them for TRT with 100mg of testosterone or less each pin. You also shouldn't pinch the skin when doing subcutaneous injections (except with hCG).

It sounds to me like either your gear is bad and/or your technique is really bad.

 

[Tymba]

Nos yes and it's both, and Mike I stopped sub q Im is almost as bad, I hope it's not technique but I have never given myself the shot I've had two different nurses and an EMT do mine

 

[nosnmiveins]

Nos yes and it's both, and Mike I stopped sub q Im is almost as bad

Well npp 200mg/ml is a pretty high concentration so I'm sure there's a good bit of solvents in it. The prop ester in the sust might be causing that. You could always cut them with sterile grapeseed oil

 

[Tymba]

Well npp 200mg/ml is a pretty high concentration so I'm sure there's a good bit of solvents in it. The prop ester in the sust might be causing that. You could always cut them with sterile grapeseed oil

I read that somewhere, so when I asked the test e guy he said he used MCT which that is right?

 

[nosnmiveins]

MCT oil is what bodybuilders use for site growth, brand name syntherol. It is a very thick oil but I doubt that's what's causing the pain. You're probably just allergic to the solvents

 

[Tymba]

Then what can I do? I'm about to order yet another brand,

 

[nosnmiveins]

Then what can I do? I'm about to order yet another brand,

Order some sterile grapeseed oil to cut it with

 

[Tymba]

Also a correction, the npp is 150mg

But OK I get the gso but do I go back to sust stay on test e? I did notice mixing the npp and test e gave the best shot yet but in a fresh site (delt) and 2 days later pip kicked in as usual just not as bad

 

[nosnmiveins]

Also a correction, the npp is 150mg

But OK I get the gso but do I go back to sust stay on test e? I did notice mixing the npp and test e gave the best shot yet but in a fresh site (delt) and 2 days later pip kicked in as usual just not as bad

It's up to you which one you choose. Just pick either and stick to it

 

[Tymba]

Right on man will do, ty!

 

[AnchorArms]

I've done a couple of cycles and I've had the same problem before. I tried different sites, ways to pierce the skin, duration of inj. Nothing really helped. I've read it could be a high concentration of alcohol or ****ty gear etc. But I tried warming it up (running the glass part under a faucet), and it seemed to make a huge difference. It could make sense with these colder seasons. I hope this helps, and I'm sorry if it doesn't.

 

[AnchorArms]

Also, I did my quad once, and I'll never do it again. It got SWOLEN! I personally don't know what I did wrong. Maybe was close to a lymphatic duct. Idk. Either way I just feel like there is a lot going on in that area

 

[Tymba]

Also, I did my quad once, and I'll never do it again. It got SWOLEN! I personally don't know what I did wrong. Maybe was close to a lymphatic duct. Idk. Either way I just feel like there is a lot going on in that area

It's been two weeks and I can't kneel back all the way still, I'm terrified I did damage

 

[Cgkone]

It's the gear.
I've had problems with pip before.
Always inject the same way.
Now I'm on prop and zero pain.
Ethanate hurts me a little
It's your gear

 

[Cgkone]

If it hurts worse on day 3 it's the gear.
Keep searching for a good source.

 

[Tymba]

Damn dude I've spent so much on 3 diff brands already

 

[nosnmiveins]

Damn dude I've spent so much on 3 diff brands already

that sucks. i've definitely had my fair share of crippling gear....im talking knots lasting 3 weeks...pain, swelling, etc

 

[Tymba]

That's me RN, and like the top 3 brands out there too, can't get full ROM on left knee still 2 weeks no leg day so far

 

[dillface02241]

I noticed the higher mg/ml the more PIP I get. I couldn't imagine doing 350 as 200 still is a little bothersome. Try to do 50 mg, so about .15ml and see what happens. When you have too high mg/ml then the oil gets absorbed much faster than the test and your left with little hard crystals in your ass or leg or shoulders. that's what is most likely hurting if your getting pip a day after the shot. If you get pip right after the shot, it's likely your allergic, too much BA, or just bad gear. Also, try pinning shoulders, it's the lesser of the evils....at least for me.

 

[Cgkone]

I noticed the higher mg/ml the more PIP I get. I couldn't imagine doing 350 as 200 still is a little bothersome. Try to do 50 mg, so about .15ml and see what happens. When you have too high mg/ml then the oil gets absorbed much faster than the test and your left with little hard crystals in your ass or leg or shoulders. that's what is most likely hurting if your getting pip a day after the shot. If you get pip right after the shot, it's likely your allergic, too much BA, or just bad gear. Also, try pinning shoulders, it's the lesser of the evils....at least for me.

Eth or cyp?
Have you tried prop?

 

[Tymba]

The sust has prop in it, the test e is well you know lol

 

[dillface02241]

cyp

 

[Cgkone]

I know for me. Prop is the best
Slow esters hurt and and leave knots