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    June 15, 2005

    Bodyweight: 245

    Workout

    Squats 135x8, 155x8, 175x7, 205x7, 225x4
    Leg Extensions 6 sets


    Cardio

    Elliptical 63:00, 900 kcals

    Notes

    Am waiting on the caps to see about continuing the hoodia. So far I noticed no effect from about 1g/dose I took each day.
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    June 16, 2005

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    June 17, 2005

    Bodyweight: 246
    Blood Pressure: 141/73


    Workout

    CGBP 230x5, 185x9, 185x8
    DB OH Press 70x8, 80x4
    Smith BB OH Press 175x8
    Laterals 30x13, 40x5
    Tates/DB Bench 45x8, 50x8, 55x7, 60x6
    Side Bends 90x20


    Cardio

    Elliptical 60:00, 900 kcals

    Notes

    I was at Sam's and decided to have my blood pressure check. As usual the cuff was too small, but it gave a consistent reading as far as I could tell. It was a bit lower than I expected, but still too high for my liking. I have some valsartan coming and I will hopefully be able to start it during my cycle so I can check what sort of an effect an ARB has.

    As usual, I was predictably stronger. Felt like I had all sorts of energy and could lift for hours (with all the BSing I did in the gym today that is about how long it took). I think the SD has kicked in. Its about the right time at day five.

    Regarding the dose of AAS I am using, I will make a report at the end as I have tended to vary it a fair amount. I don't seem to be losing a lot of hair at the moment, so I am stilling going with a lot of prop.

    For better or worse, I am doing my best to eat a bit less, hoping to accelerate fatloss somewhat.
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    June 18, 2005

    Bodyweight: 244

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    Elliptical 90:00, 1310 kcals
    Lawn Care 75 minutes moderate activity
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    June 19, 2005

    Bodyweight: 245

    Workout

    Conventional Deads 345x5, 315x7
    Chins 245x2x5
    HS High Rows 200x10, 180x12
    HS Low Rows 200x12, 200x12
    Curls 60x8, 65x4


    Cardio

    Elliptical 60:00, 800+ kcals

    Notes

    I got a 10 lb PR on the deadlifts but my form was not good and I was rounding my back too much. Just felts plain too heavy. Next go round I will either just stick with the same weight or maybe work a few singles. My legs shake a heck of a lot on the way up. That is not a problem on reps 2-5. Whole workout sort of felt a bit too heavy. I did finally get another rep on curls though.
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    June 21, 2005

    Bodyweight: 243.5

    Workout

    Incline Bench 135x7, 155x7, 175x7, 195x2x7
    DB OH Press 60x2x8, 60x9
    Pushdowns 30x10, 30x12, 40x10
    Flies 40x15, 40x10


    Cardio

    Elliptical 60:00, 850 kcals

    Notes

    Took the day off from cardio yesterday. It felt good to be off and it felt even better to get back to it today. I went with a light workout switching the exercises I normally do substantially. My joints have been giving me a little trouble. I think partly it is due to the lowered cho and calories of late.

    Fat Loss So Far

    I took a waist measurement this morning before breakfast. At about 243.5 lbs, my waist is down to just over 40". So I have lost at least an inch thus far with no noticeable muscle loss at all. Arms are measuring the same size as when I started. What additional fat I lose on this cycle is gravy and will help me move toward my longer term goal of getting a 38" gut. Regardless of whether or not I have built new lbm, I am quite pleased thus far with the recomp effect of what I am taking. I have to say though, I expected this from something like Prop/Tren.
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    June 22, 2005

    Cardio

    Elliptical 65:00, 925 kcals

    Notes

    Still noticing really high energy levels and endurance overall. It will be interesting to see how much of it remains after the cycle is over. I have a tendency to think that a lot of it is just caused by me getting in better cardiovascular condition in general and actually doing daily cardio.
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    June 23, 2005

    Bodyweight: 244

    Workout

    Squats 135x10, 155x10, 175x10, 195x9
    Leg Extensions 50x15, 70x15, 80x2x15, 90x15
    Lunges 30x1


    Cardio

    Elliptical 63:00, 900 kcals
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    June 24, 2005

    Bodyweight: 244

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    Elliptical: 65:00, 925 kcals

    Notes

    Going to wait to take any more measurements, but fat loss seems like it is gliding along nicely. I may have to reduce my prop dose again. Hair loss definitely is still a big issue.
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    June 25, 2005

    Bodyweight: 240

    Workout

    Chins 240x2x7
    HS High Row 200x8, 220x8, 240x7
    Isolateral Pulldowns 180x10, 230x6
    Curls 60x7, 55x10, 35x20
    C Curls 35x10


    Cardio

    Elliptical 60:00, 855kcals

    Notes

    Bodyweight is down due to a lack of Test Prop. Had a little insomnia last night. Overall, I just haven't gotten that much insomnia from Tren on this cycle. It could of been b/c I was swallowing hoodia caps like they were candy pretty late in the evening. Not sure if those are even working or not.
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    June 26, 2005

    Bodyweight: 242

    Workout

    CGBP 195x5, 215x6, 235x5, 205x6, 205x5
    DB Bench 80x8
    Incline DB Bench 80x7
    HS Tricep Extensions 100x15, 120x14, 120x15
    Pushdowns 30x2x8


    Cardio

    Elliptical 63:00, 925 kcals

    Notes

    Mood is exceptionally good overall. Not that it is ever all that bad, but I just feel friggin great for some reason.
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    June 27, 2005

    Bodyweight: 242

    Cardio

    Elliptical: 90:00, 1335 kcals

    Notes

    Cardio felt really easy today, so I did a little extra. That and a high general activity level should certainly boost fatloss.
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    June 28, 2005

    Bodyweight: 241

    Workout

    Conventional Deads 135x10, 225x10, 275x10, 315x8
    Squats 135x10, 155x10, 175x10, 195x9
    Leg Extensions 70x14, 90x13, 110x10


    Cardio

    Elliptical 65:00, 925 kcals

    Notes

    Workout went really well. It was definitely tough though. Leg day with deads in there always is. I decided not to load up too much weight on the deadlifts, preferring instead a lighter workout. Squatting felt good to me. Last set was appropriately challenging.

    I didn't feel much like doing cardio after squats, but once I got on the machine it felt fine. My heart rate has only been about 125-130 lately at 65rpm on the elliptical. So it is feeling pretty good overall.

    Nothing much new to report in the way of androgens, except that some of the puffiness has gone away since I dropped out the prop. So far libido is still strong.
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    June 29, 2005

    Bodyweight: 240

    Cardio

    Elliptical 110:00, 1560 kcals

    Notes

    Okay, maybe a little excessive on the cardio. So it goes.

    Although I can't be certain, I think that the appetite suppression from Tren is dose dependent (as it should be). I am down closer to 75mg eod again to make sure I have enough to last me the full cycle and I am experiencing a bit more hunger. Nothing out of control at all, but definitely noticable.
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    June 30, 2005

    Bodyweight: 241

    Workout

    Incline DB 50x10, 65x10, 80x10
    Chins 240x7
    Pullups 240x4
    HS High Rows 200x3x10
    Curls 60x8, 65x4, 50x10, 60x7


    Cardio

    Elliptical 95:00, 1350 kcals

    Notes

    Predictably, after completely dropping out the Prop, my hairloss has all but subsided. The small bit of shedding I am getting now is from low dose Nolva.

    I have a case of runners knee that has been causing some discomfort when I use the elliptical. It seems now though for some reason it is tracking a bit better and not really causing as much pain. I am not complaining about that one.

    Bodyfat

    Waistline is definitely down to 39" now. So I have lost more than 2" so far this cycle. At the pace I am going I should be able to knock of at least another inch by cycles end. I am honestly considering extending the cycle as long as the fat loss is working so well. I know when I hit PCT I will need to be at least at maintenance to ensure proper recovery.
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    July 1, 2005

    Bodyweight: 241

    Cardio

    Elliptical 120:00, 1715 kcals

    Notes

    Did a lot of cardio to bide time more than anything. Looking for a second job at the moment and a girlfriend. Good news is I think I have a shot at both.
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    July 2, 2005

    Bodyweight: 240

    Workout

    CGBP 215x5, 235x5, 225x5
    DB OH Press 60x10, 70x8, 80x4, 60x10, 65x10
    Tate Press 40x10, 50x8, 55x2x6
    Pushdowns 30x15


    Cardio

    Elliptical 122:00, 1700 kcals

    Notes

    Hmmm. It looks like my strength has stabilized a bit. I don't think I am using anywhere near enough drugs
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    Good log. Man, thats a long freakin time on the elliptical. You've got some serious dedication on the cardio. I get bored to death after 30-45min of it. Good luck with the rest of the cycle. Later, Anthony
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    Anthony:

    You know, I don't think I have ever felt better doing cardio my whole life. It sure is nice to find something easy enough on the joints that I can pretty much do every day. The boredom has been an issue for me, but oddly only when I plan on going a short timeframe, i.e. 30 minutes or so. But that is greatly overshadowed by my reasons for wanting to lose body fat. Additionally, it really seems to make my heart feel better. Definitely has had a positive impact on my heart arrhythmias.

    A year or two ago when I had a pretty bad binge eating disorder, you probably couldn't force me on a cardio machine. I came as close to loathing activity (other than lifting) as I ever have. That slowly changed after I got rid of the disorder. I have since found that I can create enough of a caloric deficit through cardio to lose bodyfat even at pretty high calories (4000+). I wasn't certain if I would ever be comfortable enough dieting to get lean enough to see abs again. It wasn't worth it to me to regain the eating disorder. Fortunately, a deficit isn't at all a deficit and I feel mentally fine on 4000 kcals a day. Very few thoughts of starvation that plagued me for so long. So overall I am pretty happy with what has occurred thusfar.

    I still have a long way to go in terms of actual weightloss, but mentally I am quite comfortable with the situation. I get a bit impatient, but definitely don't feel at all like I am suffering or deprived in any way. So cutting for months legitimately has a different feel for me now than it used to.

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    July 3, 2005

    Bodyweight: 238

    Workout

    Squats 135x10, 155x10, 175x10, 195x10, 220x5, 195x8, 175x9

    Cardio

    Elliptical 95:00

    Notes

    I just decided to do squats for my whole leg workout. Didn't bother with leg extensions and I didn't plan on doing deads again until next time. I got the workout done in less than a half hour. Plenty of time to bask in the sun and swim. Damn, its a hard life these days.
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    Nice work bro, sorry i didnt read the whole thread, but did you extend your cycle beyond 6 weeks?!
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    I didnt realize you were eating 4000 cal. I can see how you can do all that cardio now. Im cutting right now so I would probably encounter too much catabolism doin that much. The boredom is getting less. I have just been renting dvd's and watching them while I do my cardio. You gave me a little inspiration so I went for 45min on the treadmill today instead of my normal 30. I will probably stick with 45 for a couple weeks then go for an hour. My cardio has been goin better than ever as well. My mom just had a quadruple bypass. It pretty bad in her family so I have completely changed the way that I eat and have started doin cardio. I dont wanna have a heart attack at 35. Im still young but I want to make every precaution that I can. Later, Anthony
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    Quote Originally Posted by mass_builder
    Nice work bro, sorry i didnt read the whole thread,
    That is okay. I tend to ramble quite a bit anyhow.

    but did you extend your cycle beyond 6 weeks?!
    I did. It is going to be an 8-10 weeker on short esters when it is all said and done with. I am probably about to start my 8th week. I do however lose track of time occasionally, especially regarding how long I have actually been on. The trend these days seems to be to run Tren at least 8 weeks. Regardless of what advice I have been given, I would probably have extended the cycle no matter what. I may not be far from having lost too much hair to continue. Either that will be the limiting factor or I will simply quite when I run out of Prop/Tren. Both are about equally probable at this point and will leave me with an 8-10 week cycle in sum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ant.
    I didnt realize you were eating 4000 cal. I can see how you can do all that cardio now.
    Yep. I can't give an exact amount b/c I am not counting calories (scale and tape measure are good enough guides to progress). But 4000 is my best estimate for the cycle. No less than 3500 that is for sure.


    Im cutting right now so I would probably encounter too much catabolism doin that much.
    Agreed. A pretty strong dose of AAS is needed to do what I am doing successfully, even for someone that is a reasonable endomorph.

    The boredom is getting less. I have just been renting dvd's and watching them while I do my cardio. You gave me a little inspiration so I went for 45min on the treadmill today instead of my normal 30. I will probably stick with 45 for a couple weeks then go for an hour. My cardio has been goin better than ever as well. My mom just had a quadruple bypass. It pretty bad in her family so I have completely changed the way that I eat and have started doin cardio. I dont wanna have a heart attack at 35. Im still young but I want to make every precaution that I can. Later, Anthony
    I have been doing the same, except I split up my cardio and dvd watching. Watching the dvd's seems to take my mind off of eating a bit.

    I am really glad to hear you are making changes for the better. Thankfully your mom caught the problem before it was too late. It is unfortunate, but occasionally some bad things have to happen before we can really clearly see the big picture and what is important.

    Having a higher quality of life overall is one of the reasons I use said performance enhancing substances. But it is a fine line that we all walk and it can be easy to get a little careless, especially with those most basic things we know we need to be doing.

    Take it easy.
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    July 4, 2005

    Bodyweight: 237

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    Elliptical 100:00, 1430 kcals

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    July 5, 2005

    Bodyweight: 235

    Workout

    Chins 235x8, 235x7, 235x6, 235x5
    HS Low Rows 180x12, 220x10, 260x10, 300x7
    Curls 60x8, 55x8, 50x8


    Cardio

    Elliptical 75:00, 1055 kcals

    Notes

    Nothing much to note. Weighed in a bit less than I expected to after the fourth. I was pretty dried out though as I only lost a pound or so after 75 minutes of cardio.

    I think I am going to try about 3 months of Finasteride to see if I notice improvement in shedding. I feel like I should give it an honest shot. Dosing will be twice a day, moderate amount (need to check). If I can stop the hair loss from Test, I would pretty much be set as I know how to control the gyno and don't really get other side effects from it.
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    What's your BF% at now? With all that cardio you gotta be gettin leaner!
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    I am probably still a little over 20% at least. Waist measured 38.8" or so last time I took it. I started around 41.25-41.5" or so, so I have gone from looking quite fat to pretty normal. I think I'll be happy when I hit 38" and ready to bulk again when I get down to about 36" or so.

    I don't want to get too far below 225 if I don't have to. Someone said when I was 250, it would take getting down to 210 to be pretty lean. I think they were pretty well spot on.
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    July 6, 2005

    Bodyweight: 234

    Cardio

    Elliptical 91:00, 1300 kcals

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    Feeling good at the lighter weight. Going to try to keep it kind of stable around 230-235 while still dropping fat. Means a bit more food and maybe a bitmore drugs. Cardio workin too well to stop. My knees are feeling really good now.
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