When I Lose Control.....I Like It! Prop/Tren A
06-04-2005 12:00 PM
Any big changes in the mirror you can notice?
06-04-2005 04:45 PM
Not yet. This cycle is going to require some patience on my part. Running a close to eucaloric diet, the changes sure will come slow. I'll be lucky if I get about 5 lbs muscle over the whole cycle. That will be harder to notice in comparison to my last 50 lb weight gain this winter. Fat loss will be mainly dictated by how hypocaloric I can stay and not by the purported thermogenic benefits of Tren. I can see why many people say 3-4 weeks isn't anywhere near long enough to realize major visual changes just from being on Tren.
The biggest changes so far have definitely been in my training ability. Both endurance strength and limit strength with the weights.
06-04-2005 04:49 PM
June 4, 2005
Elliptical 60:00, 65 rpm
Can't say I didn't do my cardio on this cycle! This was really easy for me, but it got to my knees pretty bad once I hit an hour on the elliptical.
06-05-2005 03:16 PM
June 5, 2005
Squats 135x8, 155x8, 175x8, 195x7, 175x8
Leg Extensions 60,70,80x20, 90x15
Elliptical 35:00, 525 kcals, 75 rpm
Yes my top set of 195x7 on squats does represent a significant strength gain =D I am quite weak overall.
06-06-2005 04:40 PM
June 6, 2005
Elliptical 65:00, 68rpm, 1000kcals
Incline DB Press 50x8, 70x8, 80x7, 80x6, 70x8
JM Press 135x2x8
HS Incline 80x8
Tates 40x11, 40x11
Did my workout after cardio. Strength was down a bit as a result. I did switch up the movements I normally train and tried to keep the rep range higher.
3-4 hours Lawn Care Spread over last 48 hours
Last edited by Cardinal; 06-06-2005 at 10:37 PM.
06-07-2005 01:51 PM
June 7, 2005
Elliptical 65:00, 1000+ kcals
06-08-2005 02:58 PM
June 8, 2005
I injected some prop over my last five shots and I think this is what is responsible for the weight jump. I am not complaining. Definitely not gaining fat.
HS High Row 200x6, 240x6, 260x5, 280x4
Neutral Chins 248x4
Curls 60x7, 60x6, 50x10
HS Low Row 260x9, 300x6
Wrist Curls 30x2x7
Elliptical 60:00, 70 rpm
My right knee is giving me some hell. I may have to start incline walking for awhile and do less elliptical work.
I am definitely still gaining strength, although at a much slower rate than I was initially. I came pretty close to getting another rep on curls, which is tough for me. I feel close to my natural limit on that lift. 280 felt heavy on the high rows and I lacked some rom. Chinups were hurting my elbow joint again, so I backed off after one set. I still need to do Hammer Strength stuff to feel really good. Training more like EOD still seems best for me, whether I am on or not.
06-09-2005 07:57 PM
Great log Cardinal. Very detailed and interesting. Keep up the good work.
06-09-2005 10:46 PM
Thanks Redspy. Glad it has been of some interest and hopefully is useful as well.
06-09-2005 10:54 PM
June 9, 2005
Elliptical 60:00, 900 kcals
I injected a bit more frequently over the last three days, effectively upping my dose. I experienced more or less what I expected. Last night I had a good case of insomnia and ridiculously minor night sweats (they have been hardly noticable for me throughout). Until that point most all of the side effects of tren had vanished except for the strength gains and nipple hardness. I am interested to see if I accrue strength faster now at a slightly higher dose. I suspect I will.
I am also still dosing prop with the Tren now, so that is what is keeping my bodyweight up. It definitely gives me a much softer look than running tren by itself. I would definitely have a very hard time dropping bodyweight if I ran tren/prop together the whole time. I would have to starve myself to some extent. Running a eucaloric/mildly hypocaloric diet like I am would not at all cut it for weight loss.
Gonna rest up. Got some deadlifting PRs to set tomorrow!
06-10-2005 02:12 PM
June 10, 2005
Conventional Deadlifts 225x5 275x5, 335x2x5, 315x7
Leg Extensions 60,80,90x15, 100x15, 110x10
Calf Raises 330x20
Elliptical 60:00, 900 kcals
My form broke down quite a bit on the second set of deads with 335. Still getting stronger though, so I am happy. Cardio has felt quite good except for having knee problems. I got a x-large knee brace and am going to try it starting tomorrow. Overall, I am having almost no arrhythmic heart beats now and I think the cardio has been helping out somewhat.
06-10-2005 02:59 PM
It's definitely interesting, my next cycle will consist of test cyp and tren e. Although they're different esters it's interesting to observe the positive effects and side effects.
Originally Posted by Cardinal
06-11-2005 01:42 AM
Wow cardinal just checking in, you have put on some serious mass since you started cycling here at AM...
Great log here (they always are), I will check out your bulker log I missed ASAP.
06-11-2005 10:29 AM
That is definitely a good plan. I don't know if I am the best example for Tren. I sure have experienced far fewer side effects than I expected and than I usually do. I am happiest about not getting any hair loss from it. I think I probably would have had to stop if I did (or go bald).
Originally Posted by Redspy
I think Test E/Tren E would be a perfect bulker for me. I am definitely going to stock up on Tren E first chance I get.
06-11-2005 10:34 AM
Thanks for stopping by cr4ytonic! Yep, I put on about 50 not so clean pounds on my first bulker. Definitely satisfied with it and am much happier now at 250 than I was back at 180 before cycling here at AM.
Originally Posted by cr4ytonic
I can't wait to bulk again. This log will probably be my first where I haven't tried to put on muscle mass substantially. It has been a really pleasant strength cycle so far though.
After this cycle, I'll probably continue to slowly cut naturally until I get to where I can reasonable bulk again. Then it is Tren E + whatever else hehe.
06-11-2005 08:34 PM
June 11, 2005
HS Incline 250x5, 200x8, 180x8
JM Press 135x9, 135x2x10
Tates 35x14, 35x12, 35x11
I am up a clear 5 lbs on all my pushing work. Strength is increasing at a rate about half as fast as during week 1-2. That is still plenty for me.
I am definitely noticing more night sweats. I woke up this afternoon after a nap with quite a bit of wetness around my neck. For better or worse I think I'll keep the dose a bit higher injecting 75mg tren every 24-36 hours for awhile to see if I notice more thermogenic benefits. I must watch it though, as I may run out too fast that way. I'd like to make it a full 8 weeks if possible. I'll have to use a bit of prop to make it that long and I am definitely still losing a lot of hair when I include the prop.
06-12-2005 04:10 PM
June 12, 2005
Walking/Hiking 135 minutes, moderate pace
Well, after taking stock of how much Tren I actually have, versus how much I would like to have, I seem to have come up a bit short (part of my **** is mixed with prop unfortunately). So I have decided to add 30mg of Superdrol per day for the remainder of my cycle and keep the dose of Tren fairly low (a bit more than 75mg eod). I seem to handle both compounds fairly well, so I don't foresee a big problem here. No doubt I will get a strength boost from the SD.
The prop I have injected over the last few days sure has made me look a lot fuller and better overall. I really need to work on a way to limit hair loss. If I could that, I think I would be set with prop.
06-13-2005 01:45 PM
June 13, 2005
HS High Row 260x6, 280x4
Chins 247x2x5, 247x4
Pulldowns 180x8, 120x15
Curls 60x7, 60x6, 60x7
Elliptical 60:00 850 kcals
I woke up with a good deal more muscle hardness. Arms measured about an 1/8th inch bigger and the skin was a lot tighter. SD sure is a nice compound for how quickly it starts to work and how good of a cell-volumizer it is.
06-14-2005 03:31 PM
June 14, 2005
Elliptical 63:00, 900 kcals
I am running a short trial with hoodia to see what sort of an effect it has on my appetite. Given its somewhat foul taste, methinks it may prove a decent suppressant.
06-14-2005 04:27 PM
Nice log Cardinal. Cycle looks like it's going well. Keep up the good work.
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