My first real cycle-12 week log!

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Hey y'all, for some background, I'm 5'11, around 300 pounds, body fat way too high due to a wildly successful 25 year bulk, been training for just about 9 years in a couple of months, mostly powerlifting style. I've done 3 PH only cycles in the past. Those cycles were 2 of RPN Havoc epistane, and one of epistane and some other compound combined into one product that I can't seem to remember the name of at the moment. I saw good results from those, although I was a moody little b*tch.

This cycle is a lot different. I've just got my stuff in and it's time to rock and roll. This cycle will be:

Test E wks 1-12 @ 500mg/wk
Dbol (methandienone) at 30mg/day for the first four weeks (or 40 depending on how I tolerate it)
RPN havoc for the last 3 weeks @ 50mg/day
After week four, 10mg of nolva daily to keep estro sides down.
Starting week 6 I'll be doing 500 iu's of HCG a week at 250 twice a week.

PCT will include nolva at 20mg/day for 2 weeks and 10mg for 2 as well as clomid at 50/day for 4 weeks.

My goals for this cycle are to gain as much size and strength as possible and lose as much fat as possible. Bioelectric impedance devices usually place me anywhere between 28-33%, but I'm by no means a bodybuilder and am not aiming for the bodybuilding look. I want to hit my next powerlifting comp with numbers that I've never had before at a lighter weight. I'd be happy with 20% and +10% on my lifts by the end of everything.


If anyone has any tips or thinks I should change anything, let me know! I'll be logging every few days to keep track of my weight/size/strength/sides.
 

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Looks like fun, but i would double the length of the epistane ( even if it meant running less longer ) and i would run pct for at least 6 weeks if not 2 months for a cycle like that. Not sure i would even use Nolva on cycle unless i had to, i mean it is only 500 mg test. Good luck
 

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I'm touch and go on the on cycle nolva, just because I've had estro problems on cycle before so if it becomes and issue then I'll use it. Thanks for the tips!
 

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Just pinned for the first time ever. No pain injecting with a 21g needle but there is some pip. Took 20mg of dbol and I'll take another 10mg tonight before the gym.
 
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Only 3 weeks of epistane? What's your reasoning behind that?
Also have you considered maybe cutting before running a cycle like this? Steroids are a lot more beneficial if you get down to a reasonable body fat percentage first. The more overweight/potentially obese you are, the more prone you are to run into side effects or other issues. Not trying to be a dick, just hoping you already did your research and knew this. If you're content with your body composition then fine, just the fact that you noted yourself that your body fat was way too high makes me think that you know you should burn some fat before running anabolics.
 

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He is a power lifter, not a physique or hypertrophy lifter.
 
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He is a power lifter, not a physique or hypertrophy lifter.
I know. Which is why I pointed out the fact that he himself noted that his body fat is too high for his liking. Bodybuilder or not, steroids work more efficiently and are safer at lower body fat.
 

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I agree, but cycles can be motivational, and test is a great, natural fatburner
 

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Only 3 weeks of epistane? What's your reasoning behind that?
Also have you considered maybe cutting before running a cycle like this? Steroids are a lot more beneficial if you get down to a reasonable body fat percentage first. The more overweight/potentially obese you are, the more prone you are to run into side effects or other issues. Not trying to be a dick, just hoping you already did your research and knew this. If you're content with your body composition then fine, just the fact that you noted yourself that your body fat was way too high makes me think that you know you should burn some fat before running anabolics.
You make a valid point, and I do know about the potential for heavier sides at higher body fat percentages. I am on what you would call a cut at the moment and am going to be on one for some time, but I'm not at all intending to get below 20%, as my strength starts to waver after that for me and that's a no-no. I say way too high jokingly, and I'm pretty cool with the jacked chubby look at the moment. Definitely aiming down in bf though.
 

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Also, probably going to switch to 4 weeks of epistane. I have enough for 5 weeks of 40mg/day but I'd really like to just up the dose to where I get better results and do 4.
 
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You make a valid point, and I do know about the potential for heavier sides at higher body fat percentages. I am on what you would call a cut at the moment and am going to be on one for some time, but I'm not at all intending to get below 20%, as my strength starts to waver after that for me and that's a no-no. I say way too high jokingly, and I'm pretty cool with the jacked chubby look at the moment. Definitely aiming down in bf though.
I gotcha, glad you have a well thought out plan then. The 3 weeks of epistane though? Epistane doesn't really kick in till week 3-4, I feel like you're just wasting resources only running it that long.
 

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I gotcha, glad you have a well thought out plan then. The 3 weeks of epistane though? Epistane doesn't really kick in till week 3-4, I feel like you're just wasting resources only running it that long.
See post just above this one. I actually react really well to epistane, definitely never taken that long for me to see results. The way I see it, is that I'm not ever doing another ph cycle anyways, so might as well blast the last 4 weeks of what I have left and get that extra little bit out of these 12 weeks.
 

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Pretty bad pip 8 hours after first pin. Small area right where I poked is red and risen and a little warm. Chalking it up to virgin muscles vs 21 gauge and moving the needle around too much.
 

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Tonight is legs too... My ass is going to hurt like a mofo. Going to warm up oils next time
 
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I don't know why your using so many compounds first injection cycle test alone is very beneficial.
 

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I don't know why your using so many compounds first injection cycle test alone is very beneficial.
Because I feel like it'll be more fun, and I've mixed compounds before. Also, only 3 compounds. Not like I'm mixing tren, test, deca, dbol etc. if problems arise, I'll stop without worrying about it. I'm also in a position where I have access to super cheap supplements to support my health on cycle.
 

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Ended up not doing legs last night but I did today and the workout was intense. 100% placebo but still worth noting. Took 20mg dbol before workout and taking 10mg before bed. Ass still hurts, little bit of bruising. Running a legs/push/pull/off training regimen.
 
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Could have just ran test longer would have. Been more beneficial 14-16 weeks
 

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Could have just ran test longer would have. Been more beneficial 14-16 weeks
I'm actually considering going for 16 but we'll see how things go. I need to find a good domestic source (not asking for one), customs is scary. It'd be fairly cheap to just get 4 weeks worth more anyways. My only concern is being more shut down.
 
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Your already going to be shutdown I would go 16 weeks if u can afford it
 

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May do just that. At least then I can run epi at 40 instead of 50 and get more HCG.
 

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I'll decide if I want to run 16 later down the road. Found a good looking domestic just in case, and for my next cycle. Domestic's never carry decently priced hcg though. Question: if I have clomid and nolva on hand and well stocked, should I still get an AI? Also, are dbol pills supposed to be this tiny? They're less than the size of baby aspirin. Tiny little bastards. It's hard to believe that something so small could be so potent.
 

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Going to bed. Ass still hurts. Joints hurt. Sore. See y'all tomorrow.
 
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And your 28-33% bf you should rethink your cycle
 
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I'll decide if I want to run 16 later down the road. Found a good looking domestic just in case, and for my next cycle. Domestic's never carry decently priced hcg though. Question: if I have clomid and nolva on hand and well stocked, should I still get an AI? Also, are dbol pills supposed to be this tiny? They're less than the size of baby aspirin. Tiny little bastards. It's hard to believe that something so small could be so potent.
Yes. Have an AI handy. Yes. Dbol pills are tiny little ****ers that pack a punch. Haha
 
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And your 28-33% bf you should rethink your cycle
If you read the conversation he and I had earlier in the thread you'll see why he's using at the stats he's at.
 

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I'm not a bodybuilder. I'm a powerlifter. I compete in competitions in which I pick **** up and put it down, not where I pose. This cycle is to gain strength. I'm aiming for anywhere between 20-25% at the end of the cycle, around 260-270 pounds, and that's where I do best in terms of quality of life and strength. If I ever go below that, it'll be because I'm done with powerlifting, but I'm in my prime and it's how I enjoy living my life at this moment. I know how to diet, and have been low enough in body fat previously to have visible abs multiple times (think mark bell weight loss, except in reverse). I care very little about hypertrophy and my self image is just fine without a 6 pack. I quite like the way that I look at a heavier body weight, and I prefer the ability to lift heavy things over the ability to wash clothes on my stomach.


Again. Third post. Not a bodybuilder. Don't give a **** about appearance. Strength and cutting cycle. Hopefully this clears this all up enough to keep future comments of a similar nature from popping up.
 

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Anyways, today I feel good. It feels like I almost woke up pissed off, not actually angry but just in an aggressive kind of mood. I don't know how long dbol takes to kick it, so it might be placebo, but I feel like this push day is going to be insane. Will update later.
 
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Also being as big as you are makes you more sturdy.
The people on here just want to be safe so your strategy might seem a little crazy to them.
When your as large as you are it makes you less fragile as the 205lb guy.
Your a beast. I get it. Not sure why others don't. Powerlifter are big because they are powerlifters not because they have estrogen issues.
 
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I was getting at 30% bf w/o an ai seems dangerous. Get an ai is what I was saying invade estrogen sides come up
 

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I was getting at 30% bf w/o an ai seems dangerous. Get an ai is what I was saying invade estrogen sides come up
Got some aromasin on the way, wanted to know it was worth my money, as some were telling me I could just use a serm in its place.
 

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Source hit me with some free vials on my order for the aromasin and a few other goodies so it looks like 16 weeks is g2g
 
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Source hit me with some free vials on my order for the aromasin and a few other goodies so it looks like 16 weeks is g2g
Damn, lucky ass.
 

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Just got done with push day. No difference in actual strength or endurance but my pump was insane. More so than before. I keep getting NRB's (no reason boners) at random and it's making it a little awkward to wear loose pants. I got some Viagra in this order for scientific reasons of course and I'm almost afraid to even try it haha

Tomorrow is a cardio/off day and Sunday will be a pull. Might reverse the roles on those days, we'll see. Pretty crippled from the last two workouts already. I'm also experience some weird joint pain. Specifically in my shoulders and knees. I haven't take any type of estrogen limiting drug so it can't be that. If anyone knows maybe what that could be, let me know. Hasn't happened before like this.
 

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I'd like to add that I almost never get NRB's. Just doesn't happen, very rare. So this one isn't placebo. In terms of libido, also up (get it?). Unfortunately, the lady doesn't totally share the increase in amorous drive.
 
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I'd like to add that I almost never get NRB's. Just doesn't happen, very rare. So this one isn't placebo. In terms of libido, also up (get it?). Unfortunately, the lady doesn't totally share the increase in amorous drive.
that's typical women are women -_-
 

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Itchy nips. Glad I went express for the aromasin. Taking 20mg/day of nolva until it gets here. At least I know that my stuff is real. Had puberty gyno that never went away and I'm NOT growing tiddies. Always had high serum estro, even when I was lean. Will update on this.
 

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My weight this morning is 20 pounds more than normal... I do feel very bloated though. Haven't eaten anything out of the ordinary. Don't look any different. Will monitor. The aromasin should be in any day this week. I got 150 tabs at 12.5mg each to be extra safe.
 

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Decided to do my second pin tonight instead of tomorrow morning. Had to alternate cheeks... And let's just say that I'm not so steady with my left hand. I need smaller needles. 21g feel like I'm being harpooned. Also, some of the test came out when I took the needle out. Not a lot, but enough for me to yell F**K. I can already tell that this PIP is going to be worse than the first time. Partly because I'm an idiot and I wasn't so steady pressing the plunger, and partially because I actually pulled the needle out too soon and had to put it back in (didn't come all the way out, didn't have to re-pierce).

Anyways, upping dose of dbol to 40mg so I won't be running it for more than 4 weeks. Running epistane for 5 weeks starting week 10. I have enough gear to do 16 weeks so I figure, why not? (Don't actually tell me why not). Aromasin should be here in a day or two. 20mg of nolva in the mean time is doing the trick. I've been very aggressive in the last day. Not intentionally, but I've been very quick to anger. Not only that, it seems like I'm thinking a little differently. I don't know how weird this sounds or if I'm just psyching myself out but I feel like a Neanderthal... In the sense that I'm thinking less and acting more. Which is dangerous because I'm already a notorious snap decision maker... lol. I'll keep this log regularly updated.
 

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Are you doing the z method? Google it, it keeps the liquid from coming out.
 

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Pip isn't so bad this time. Still feels like I got shot in the butt with a paint ball. Seems to be getting worse as time goes on but not as bad as last time. I want to try my delts but I don't want anyone to be able to tell that I pinned it. Anywho, legs are tonight. Let's hope I can still cripple myself effectively with a sore glute.
 

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I think I just react badly to whatever oil this test e is made with. Hard warm bumps both pins so far.
 

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