Nate Dawg's PCT:Nolva, RXT, LX, N-Gorge
- 04-28-2005, 10:54 PM
Nate Dawg's PCT:Nolva, RXT, LX, N-Gorge
Well I have just began my post cycle sadly enough. I will keep track of my workouts each day, weight, and how I am feeling. Here are the post cycle supps:
Week 1-3: Nolva 60/40/20
Week 1-?: RXT 2 cap/day-5 days, 3 caps/day- 2-3 weeks, might go up to 4 depending on sides.
Week 1-?: Lean Xtreme 3 caps/day
Week 1-6: Tribulus 5g/day
Week 1-8: Fenugreek 2g/day
Week 1-6: ALRI N-Gorge recommended dosage (4 caps 2x day?) doesnt say on the net.
I am not for sure how long I am going to run the RXT and lean xtreme, the RXT for at least 5-6 weeks, and i might just stay on the LX all summer as I tend to get pretty stressed during the summer, so I want to lower that cortisol For the tribulus I am taking SAN Endotest, Primaforce FUZE, and Optimum Nutrition's Tribulus 625 caps, just mixing them all together for a daily dosage of 5-6g. Fenugreek is by NOW foods. I am going to dose the RXT going by how I feel, if I start feeling my estro levels are too low I will drop down the dosage.
Splitting the RXT morning and night with a fatty meal, the LX first thing in the morning, then 4 hours later, then the last dose before bed. Tribulus and fenugreek are evenly split into 3 doses. I will dose the N-Gorge as suggested. I may try a bottle of ultra hot after my RXT runs out, waiting on feedback from it, but the RXT is tried and proven so I am sticking with that for now.
Diet is pretty lean, protein from tuna, chicken, steak, cottage cheese, and turkey chili. Carbs are mainly whole wheat bagels, oats, and wheat bread. Tomorrow I will post my daily intake to give an example. Protein is around 350-400g/day, carbs in the 400g/day range. Going to up my fats alot with peanuts, Flax oil, and olive oil.
Here is the workout I am planning on following, I am currently taking this week off from lifting due to being overtrained.
Flat Bench- several warmups, 5x5 @ set weight
Incline Flyes- 2-3x12
Box Squat- several warmups, 5x5 @ set weight
SLDL- Work up to heavy 6-8 reps
Weighted Back ext.- 2x10
Leg curls- 2x6-8
Leg ext- 2x12-15
Arnold Press- work up to heavy 6 reps
Side raises- 2-3x10
Upright rows- 3x10
Skull crushers- Work up to heavy 6 reps
Cable Tri Ext.- Work up to heavy 6-8 reps
DB kickbacks- 3x12
Pullups- 3x 1-2 reps shy of failure
JS Bent Over Rows- 5x5 @ set weight
Reverse grip pulldowns- 2x8-12
Rear DB raises- 4x10
EZ Bar curls- 3x10 set weight
Hammer curls- 3x10
Preacher curls- 2x12
Shrugs- Work up to heavy 8-12
That is the plan on the workouts at least, if I am feeling run down after the first few exercises I will probably just call it a day since it is post cycle and I dont want to get overtrained and get too extremely broke down. If anyone has any comments/suggestions on my workout/diet/supp regimen feel free to let me know!
This had better go good...I hate post cycle
- 04-28-2005, 11:19 PM
Post-cycle sucks, but at least you're making it interesting. I'm intrigued by the Trib-stack of Endotest, Fuze, and such. Of course, I'm also looking forward to your experience with N'Gorge. Good luck.
- 04-28-2005, 11:50 PM
Ya, on the tribulus I had a few bottles of optimum nutrition's stuff sitting around from last post cycle, it is cheap as hell, so I dont know how effective it is. I got the FUZE because everyone said how it is pretty much the exact same as Syntrax's FUZU and that it was really good, so I thought I would give it a shot. Then I thought the Endotest looked pretty good so I got some of that too, someone else on here said they tried it and really liked it, so I figured I would just throw them all together.
I'm really excited to see how the RXT goes, seems everyone is getting stronger or at least holding their strength post cycle, so I am hoping that really helps me out. I ran lean xtreme with my last pct and think it helped pretty good in retaining gains. Im also excited to see how the N-Gorge works, I'm not real nuts on how the propriety blend is only 550mg, but I do understand Authors point on how too much of the NO precursors can inhibit the creatine, he is very knowledgeable, so I trust it will work very well. Also as Aflexaholic said, really all the NO supps do for you is make you feel bigger for a couple hours and thats it. This will be interesting to see how the pumps are I get, as all the NO products I have ever tried never worked for me, other than the very first bottle of NOX2 I used exactly 2 years ago. I've went through probably 4-5 bottles of Nitrix- got nothing, went through another bottle of NOX2 and didnt notice anything there either, then I tried a bottle of Higher Power NO-XS-not a damn thing there. I would like to try some Cissus too, but may wait a few weeks as not to skew the results as it seems to be giving good pumps too, and I want to know how the N-Gorge is doing on its own. My left shoulder just started giving me some problems a few weeks ago, so I was wanting to see if the Cissus would help with that, but I think the shoulder problem may have been caused from too many weeks lifting heavy and overtraining. Hopefully this week off does some good.
04-29-2005, 10:04 PM
It should probably also be noted that in my experiences with creatine, I am a non-responder. I dont bloat or put on any weight, dont notice any strength, and maybe just a little added endurance, so if I do notice something with the N-Gorge that will be saying alot.
05-02-2005, 09:37 PM
Chest went today, didnt feel as bad as I thought I would. My shoulder is really going to be giving me some problems I think in a few weeks when I start pushing it alot harder. I also started noticing some tricep tendonitis towards the last few sets on bench, never really had that before except when I would go really heavy. So that is kind of worrying me, but it should get better, might get some Cissus Rx and give that a shot if it starts impairing my workouts.
Flat Bench: Barx10, Barx10, 135x10, 185x5, 225x5, 275x5, 275x5, 275x5, 275x5, 275x5 (really easy)
Incline DB flye: 30x12, 40x12, 50x12, 60x12, 60x15, 60x12
Not a real hard workout. Considering this last week I took off and actually all of my measurements increased, I must have been really overtrained, and I thought it would be best to come back into it a little easier, as I really dont feel 100% yet, I think my CNS was pretty zapped there before I took that week off. N-Gorge should be in here towards the end of the week, looking forward to see what it does. BTW, I only got a little under 4 hours of sleep last night, so considering that I was surprised by how well tonights workout went.
05-03-2005, 12:09 AM
I still think your doing to much.
05-03-2005, 12:44 AM
LOL...for chest day even? Or just mainly my back/bi and shoulder/tri day? I appreciate any tips you guys have!
05-03-2005, 12:59 AM
I was thinking the same thingOriginally Posted by LCSULLA
For an example of a low volume for some people, I'm hitting chest 2x/wk. For freeweight bench, I do a heavy set of 5-8 and follow with a light set of 15-20 adn that's it! For any machine stuff, I do 1 rest pause set...i.e. 1 x 10,3,2=1x15
I do an upper / lower 3 day split. I do the same amount of volume for each bodypart and workout major compounds all similarly to the bench set, while smaller iso movements I tend to do RP fashion.
I probably do 20-30 sets PER WEEK. It's been working well for me anyway.
05-03-2005, 01:28 AM
Ya....I dunno...gonna have to think about it lol. Do you mind posting your workout kwyck? I know at the moment I am not going to go to lifting 3 days a week, that would be really hard for me to get used to, but it obviously works. This summer I may have to drop down to a 3 day split when work gets too hectic. If you wouldnt mind posting your routine kwyck, I would really appreciate it
05-03-2005, 01:29 AM
Just sort of messing around the other day I made a 3-day split off the template of DC training, not planning on trying it anytime soon, but I figured I would get it made up so I would have it handy this summer. I will try and find it and post it later.
05-03-2005, 01:43 AM
Will do I jumped from 5->3 days not that long ago. It helped. I feel I could w/o another day though, but I'll hold off on that until diet is in check.Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
Incline Machine Press: 1 set RP
Smith Upright Row: 1 set RP
CG Bench Press: 1 set RP
Pull Downs Front: 1 set RP
Rack Deadlift* 1 set High Reps (15ish)
Barbell Curls 1 set RP
Hammer Curls* 1 set
45 deg. Donkey* 1 set
Seated Leg Curl 1 set
Squats* 1 set 4-8, 1 set 20
Flat Bench Press 1 set 5, 1 set 15-20ish
Arnold Press 1 set RP (Nursing injured shoulder)
Skull Crushers 1 set RP (high reps)
Rack Chin 1 set RP
BB Row* 1 set 5, 1 set 10+
Alternating DB 1 set RP
Pinwheel Curls* 1 set
Calve Leg Press* 1 set
Stiff-legged deadlift* 1 set
Hack Squats 1 set 4-8, 1 set 15+
Incline Bench Press 1 set 5, 1 set 15-20ish
Military Press (to ears) 1 set RP
Dips Machine 1 set RP
Pull Downs Back 1 set RP
Floor DL* 1 set 6-8 (adding another high reps set here soon)
Incline DB Curls 1 set RP
One Hand RG Cable Curl* 1 set
Seated Calve Raise* 1 set
Lying Leg Curl 1 set RP
Leg Press 1 set 4-8, 1 set 15-20ish
All RP (rest pause) sets are done similar to this: 1 x 10,3,2 = 15 total reps. However, reps vary. On some exercises, such as ham curls, I'll do much higher reps. Others, I may do an 8,3,1, etc. I go by what feels best.
05-03-2005, 11:11 AM
I really like that workout set up, it looks really good. I still want to stick to kind of a powerlifting routine, so I am unsure of what I want to do at this point. I definetly want to try that routine sometime though.
05-03-2005, 09:09 PM
Its not really day 2 since I have been on post cycle, but I will just start numbering it like this since I started the log yesterday. Legs today, 5x5 on squats sucks, I forgot how much fun they were. Too tired to do much accessory stuff after the 5x5 of squats, I figured it would turn out that way, I dont think there will be much accessory stuff going on for these leg days. Felt somewhat ok, got 4hrs of sleep again last night, could not go to sleep. My shoulder hurts whenever I position it how I am most comfortable when I sleep, so that makes it difficult. Anyways, went good considering the sleep loss. Better get caught up tonight. Here was the workout:
Box squat: barx10, 135x8, 225x5, 315x5, 355x5, 355x5, 355x5, 355x5, 355x5
Hack squat: light set for 20 reps
Weighted DB situps: 120x20
Weighted DB decline situps: 50x12
I should have done a few more warmups on squats, my first work set of 5 was pretty difficult, but after that I must have been more warmed up as they werent as bad. The thing that is really getting me now on this 5x5 program is my endurance. Since I was training for powerlifting the past 15 weeks or so, it has been so long since I have gone over 3 reps with a heavy weight on a core lift. First 3 reps are always super easy, but then I just run out of steam. This should get my endurance up though.
Diet is still going good. I'll try and get a weight posted tomorrow morning. Despite the lack of sleep, I really havent been feeling that bad. Yesterday I was a freaking zombie in class, but today I woke up before my alarm with a jolt of energy and had a ton of energy till about 6pm, then I laid down for about 20min, then went and lifted. Might go get some melatonin tonight, I usually use sominex if I need to get some sleep, but that hasnt been working lately, im out of nyquil, and I want to try some melatonin lol. I was thinking today how it would be cool to have some GHB, increased GH levels I am ready to try this N-Gorge out, Im thinking end of this week or monday I should have it, sorry guys I was a little slow sending off the check in the mail, and no I dont have a credit card lol.
05-03-2005, 09:23 PM
I hit bench, deads, and squats every two weeks with assistance work in between. I'm sure that should be enough to get strong onOriginally Posted by Nate Dawg
Plus, doing deads and squats all the time in the low rep ranges with REALLY heavy sets is bound to overtrain you much sooner than later.
05-03-2005, 09:49 PM
05-04-2005, 02:55 PM
Weighed in at 198.5 this morning, thats ok I guess. At the end of the cycle I was weighing around 199-200 in the mornings, so really its not down that much. Last week I got up to 202 somehow, I dont know if it was water retention or what, diet wasnt any different other than one day I ate a pizza for dinner, so that may have done it.
Chest and legs are so sore today, 5x5 is fun Legs will hurt worse tomorrow Im sure.
05-05-2005, 09:40 PM
Tuesday I woke up with a sore throat, didnt think much of it, but its not really going away, so I dont feel all that great. Did tris/shoulders(somewhat) today. My right shoulder bothers me when I do any type of overhead press, even really light. With side raises there is just a little pain at the top, but not unbearable. Weighed in at 199.5 this morning. Workout went ok despite feeling like ****.
Skull crushers: 95x10/115x10/135x8/155x8
Mchn Tri ext: 100x10/110x10/120x10/140x7
DB kickbacks: 30x12/35x12
DB side raises: 15x10/20x10/25x10/30x10/35x10
That was pretty much it. Didnt want to push it too much especially since I dont feel well. I am going to take a bunch of sudafed tonight and try to get alot of sleep.
05-05-2005, 09:49 PM
On a side note with the supplements, I have already bumped the RXT up to 3 pills/day, but the funny thing is I dont know how well it is actually blocking estrogen. What I am basing that on is my nipples are still puffy most of the day, they arent like ridiculous puffy, but I can tell it is from excess estrogen in my system, so I dont know what to think about that. I noticed a thread in the DS section where someone thought they were having the same problems.
As for the LX, fenugreek and custom tribulus blend, my libido still seems to be fine, today it did seem a little lower than normal, but I am going to attribute that to being sick, not that well rested, and I am just plain wore the **** out from the 5x5 for squats, that **** is rough. If my sex drive drops down too bad I am going to be irate lol.
05-05-2005, 11:23 PM
I had pretty high levels of estro while on RXT myself..
05-06-2005, 08:09 AM
Nate definitely keep us posted on that. I have a little over a week left on my cycle, and I'm starting to notice a little puffiness. I'm having a hard time deciding what to use for PCT. I actually may just start dosing Nolva for the last week, and reevaluate the situation from there.Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
05-08-2005, 10:41 PM
Well that little sore throat I thought was going to go away still hasnt, I have been taking some allergy meds like benadryl, but its not really helping, and then this morning I had a 99.8 degree temp, so I am going to go to the doc tomorrow to hopefully get this taken care of. I dont feel terrible, but I dont feel good at all. I definetly dont want to be getting sick right now in the beginning of post cycle. I am actually eating more than normal so I can keep my cals up to try and prevent weight loss. Hopefully will be all better in a couple days. Most likely going to lift tomorrow, unless I feel really weak, then I will just postpone it a day.
05-08-2005, 11:47 PM
if you cannot eat solid food. There are always liquid calories...drink up
05-09-2005, 01:28 AM
I can still eat ok, its not terrible pain, just mainly an annoyance. It is the temperature that is bothering me, I dont want my metabolism to be going even faster in pct from a higher temp and getting weaker from it. Also, I am stopping the LX until I am all better. I remember reading in the write up for LX that you were to discontinue usage when sick. I have upped my dose on that the past couple days because of higher stress levels, so that probably isnt helping out any.
05-09-2005, 08:52 PM
I feel like ****!!! This is really pissing me off, I got my N-Gorge in today too. When I was taking my biochem final today I started getting an ear ache, this blows. I dont mind being sick as long as I can still lift, but its frickin post cycle and this is not good. My appetite is pretty much gone, but so far today I have got in around 4000 cals already, there is no way I am going to let myself lose anything lol, this is really driving me nuts. I have a doctor appt. tomorrow morning. Knox had some left over antibiotics so I started those today, then hopefully get some more tomorrow. I am just going to try and get really rested up, no finals tomorrow so thats good. I really hope I can lift tomorrow....so scared of losing muscle/strength lol. I might not be stepping on a scale for a few days, dont want to increase my flusterness anymore
05-09-2005, 09:16 PM
Get yourself a bucket of KFC and a violent killing movie or some porno and just chill for the night.Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
My words of Wisdom for the night.
05-09-2005, 09:21 PM
Hey I did take your advice on the fatman shakes! I decided to go back to those bad boys to sooth my spirits 2 cups of chocolate ice cream, some milk, and I was going to put just a little olive oil in there, but accidentally dumped a ton in there, probably like a 1/4 cup lol....so that was alot of calories there. Must...maintain....weight....
05-09-2005, 09:23 PM
On top of being sick, I cant chew my beloved copenhagen, it dries out my throat making it more sore, so that is chapping my ass at the moment too..I still sneak in a few dips until it hurts too bad. Can you say addicted?
05-09-2005, 10:13 PM
Good time to drop it I quit smoking, great decision for me....now that I quit, I take the risks seriously. </preaching>Originally Posted by Nate Dawg
05-10-2005, 06:12 PM
Well, I dont feel that much better, but I have seemed to get my temperature under control, so I am planning on giving it a shot in the gym tonight. I just need to get some blood moving. I only lifted 3 times last week, once the week before, and not yet at all this week, so I am really flat right now. I feel sooo small, I think lifting will make me feel a bit better. I went ahead and started the N-Gorge yesterday even though I am sick, I learned in biochem last week that nitric oxide helps support your immune system, so that was enough reasoning for me to start.
Weighed 197.5 this morning, not as bad as I expected. When I finished the cycle I was weighing between 200-199, so really I havent even lost 3 lbs since the end of my cycle, which I would think is quite good especially considering Im sick. Another note, today my libido was up pretty good, between being post cycle and also being sick I think that is a positive sign also. The way I am looking at being sick right now is, probably being sick in post cycle will be about as ****ty as you can feel, so when I get better I will actually think I feel quite good even though I am in post cycle lol...just trying to be optimistic
Planning on doing chest today, probably just my 5x5 of bench and that will be it, I feel kinda weak, but I think I can get fired up enough to fight through it, hoping so at least.
On the N-Gorge, I have only taken 3 doses so far, but to tell you the truth my vascularity has already seemed to increase some. Genetically my vascularity sucks, it doesnt matter how lean I am, if I am not on a hormone based supplement my vascularity sucks. Again considering that I am sick and being in post cycle noticing an increase in vascularity I think could be a good sign the N-Gorge is a good product. I have noticed also that I think I am still leaning out a bit, in my lower abdomen a vein is starting to appear and becoming more pronounced each day, and I didnt have that at the end of my cycle.
05-11-2005, 01:14 AM
The workout wasnt too bad really, I still felt kind of weak during it from being sick, but the difficulty of this weeks 5x5 was pretty much the same as last weeks, but I am added 10lbs this week, so thats good. The plan is 10lbs per week and around week 5 will be at 315x5x5, I can hit 315x5 for one set pretty easy, but 5 sets of that will be tough. When I fail at completing all 25 reps unassisted, I am moving into a 3x3 phase for a few weeks, then a 1x3, then possibly a new max, thats several weeks down the road though. I actually felt like my endurance is up some from last weeks 5x5 sets, not quite as tired. Noticed a good pump today, so most likely I will attribute that to the N-Gorge. Workout:
Flat Bench: barx10, barx10, 135x8, 185x5, 225x4, 255x1, 285x5, 285x5, 285x5, 285x5, 285x5
Dips: 3x15 (bodyweight) focused on TUT with these 4-5 second eccentric and 2 second concentric (written 4/2 tempo? Not for sure if which number is first, but I think it is eccentric)
Really wasnt a hard workout, my tris were still fatigued from last week, so they were starting to tire on my last couple sets of bench. Also hit 5 sets of bis, just tried to pump em up a bit, havent worked them in a few weeks. Biceps are the one muscle I always neglect, such the opposite of most people lol. I always make sure I never miss bench or squat. The workout did seem to make me feel much better, spirits are up now Plan on squatting tomorrow as long as I dont feel too wore out from today, but actually I feel pretty good at the moment so that is the plan for now.
05-11-2005, 09:28 PM
Still not 100%, but do feel much better today, was kinda wore out from yesterdays workout. Today was actually pretty rough, didnt actually do all 5x5, just did 4x5. My first work set was a killer and I didnt know if I was going to be able to do anymore, but I just got really pissed and kept going lol Ready to be back to all good from this little bug. I did notice a better pump in my legs than I have been getting, so I think that N-Gorge could be doing a little something. Next weeks 10lb jump is going to be a bitch, but maybe once I am all better it wont seem so bad... anyways here it is:
Box squat: barx15, 135x8, 225x5, 275x4, 315x4, 365x5, 365x5, 365x5, 365x5
Weighted situps: 130lb DBx15
I was pretty much spent after that, it took alot of psyching up to get through the squats. Going to sleep well tonight.
05-14-2005, 08:31 PM
This week's workout schedule has been all screwed up due to being sick and finals. Today worked back/bis/shoulders. No tris this week, benching in two days and they wont be recovered by then so I decided to skip them. Here was the workout:
Rack chins: +90lbs RP 13/7/5
JS Bent rows: 135x5, 185x5, 225x5, 245x5, 225x5, 225x5, 225x5 (was going to try 5x5 with 245 but my form wasnt as good as I wanted)
EZ Bar curls: 1 warmup, 2 sets at set weight
Rope Cable Hammer Curls: 3 sets at set weight
Preacher curls: 30x10
Two-arm Side Raises: 15x10, 20x10, 25x10, 30x10, 35x10
Bent over raises: 45x10, 45x10, 45x10
Didnt go too bad, had a hard time getting into it mentally. My right shoulder is still tender, but feels slightly better, any overhead pressing is still out for now, next week I am thinking of trying some push presses to see how that feels. Got a good pump, vascularity was actually pretty good, for me at least, during the workout. Really I dont feel bad at all, I figured I would feel like total crap coming off, but actually feel good. Libido still good. Something absolutely crazy happened to my weight this week, yesterday I weighed in at 192.5!!! WTF!! This morning I was back up to 194, I dont know what happened. My measurements really havent dropped much, maybe 1/8 on small body parts and 1/4 on larger ones, but wow I feel skinny lol. My diet is still going good, so I dont know if being sick I just lost some glycogen or what, I hope I can get some of that weight back though!! I might say screw the scale for awhile lol. Noticed a couple new veins emerging in my lower abdomen these past couple days, so I guess I am still leaning out. Adding 10lbs to next weeks squat is going to be rough I think, bench will be tougher too, but completing all 5x5 should be doable.
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