Test base needed for epi?

[AHH_BOB_SAGET]

I plan on running epi at 30/45/45/45/45/45, and have read a lot about dermacrine being used as a common test base starting week 3 to combat lethargy, but also have heard of negative encounters with gyno from it and/or have read that it's not really needed. I'm a little more concerned about gyno than lethargy - so is dermacrine/test base a must while on epi? For PCT I'll be running nolva 20/20/10/10 and a mild AI 0/0/3/2/2/1(servings), so I would think that would control gyno issues, however I don't want to risk it by bringing in something else (dermacrine) that I had not originally planned on taking. Any advice appreciated - I'm planning on starting my run in a couple weeks so just trying to tie up all loose ends.

 

[Misfit28]

This your first time running it?

 

[AHH_BOB_SAGET]

This your first time running it?

yeah

 

[Misfit28]

The lethargy can get pretty bad from what I've read. I'm planning my first cycle soon, and thinking about using Tr3st as my base.

You can always have a stronger AI on hand in case. You have a strong AI on hand for PCT?

The reason I ask is that Epi is notorious for estro rebound after the cycle.

Also, you may want to start lower and work up to 45 in the last couple weeks of the cycle. In fact, you may want to do 4-5 weeks maximum as it is your first cycle.

 

[AHH_BOB_SAGET]

this isn't my first cycle ever, just first time with epi. I know all compounds are different but I've never been sensitive to supplements, and I'm a pretty big guy, so I'm fairly confident in my dosing and length. I'll just listen to my body. I don't have a strong ai on hand but I have plenty of nolva that I could drag out and taper. but yeah the lethargy had me wondering. I may just start without and then throw a test base in if I need it, since those are readily available.

 

[Misfit28]

this isn't my first cycle ever, just first time with epi. I know all compounds are different but I've never been sensitive to supplements, and I'm a pretty big guy, so I'm fairly confident in my dosing and length. I'll just listen to my body. I don't have a strong ai on hand but I have plenty of nolva that I could drag out and taper. but yeah the lethargy had me wondering. I may just start without and then throw a test base in if I need it, since those are readily available.

Awesome, man. Didn't realize it wasn't your first cycle

 

[5Percent]

Shutdown on epistane kicked in for me towards the end of week 3 when I didn't run a test base with it

 

[AHH_BOB_SAGET]

Shutdown on epistane kicked in for me towards the end of week 3 when I didn't run a test base with it

did you throw in a test base at that time then, or finish your run without?

 

[5Percent]

did you throw in a test base at that time then, or finish your run without?

Finished without, I didn't even know what a test base was back then, despite all the research I did lol

 

[booneman77]

It depends on the person. I had worse lethargy on osta than I did on epi/tren (which was basically none) and I had bridged the osta into that. Some people can barely get out of bed by week 3 though.

I would have some dermacrine on hand, but personally I only add what I must to keep things going.

 

[jerame956]

What do you mean by test base?

 

[Driven2lift]

What do you mean by test base?

Something that fulfills the rolls of testosterone when production of your own has significantly dropped on cycle.

 

[jerame956]

Just got dermacrine

 

[McCrew530]

Its,not a must but I would recommend it. Also I think the layout is fine man. Derma should help with the lethargy a bit and libido a small amount. But also look into trest.

 

[jerame956]

Whose the maker for alphamax

 

[BamBam0319]

Whose the maker for alphamax

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Who+makes+alphamax+xt

 

[jerame956]

Hahaha thanks nah I saw a couple different ones thanks though and nah it wasn't hard

 

[booneman77]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Who+makes+alphamax+xt

Oh. My. God. I am going to abuse this haha. Too perfect