CSH's Superdrol/Epistane Log!

[CSH]

Hey guys! Summer's around the corner and I thought I'd start a log on an SD clone I got from the UK called Methdrol (the name fits the compound cause the gains are addictive) and a bottle of Havoc I have laying around. Anyways, here's some of my background info

-22 years old
-5'9"
-182.4lbs
-12%bf

I have 3 cycles under my belt already (yes I was dumb young and stupid so I ran 3 cycles in two years as soon as I turned 20, I know the risks involved yada yada yada...) and I've been very careful throughout each one of them and they've been smooth runs to say the least

Cycle specs: dosing by weeks
SD:20/20/20/0/0/0/0
EPI:0/0/30/40/40/40/40
Dermacrine: 5/5/5/5/5/5/5
Cycle support: too many supps to mention, but I don't believe in proprietary blend so I keep hawthorne Berry, milk thistle, NAC, cordyceps and any other anti-ox in bulk

After cycle:
Clomid:100/100/50/50/25/25
A bunch of testboosters I have laying around (DAA, testofen, testojack 2 from bb.com)

I'm gonna be using Layne Nortons PHAT routine for a bulk the first three weeks on SD, and then I plan on maintaining the gains with epi, I'm already three days into the cycle but I forgot to start this log. I'll be updating it as of today every day

Calories for bulking days: 3200
Calories for maintenance days: 2800

So far: I've gained 3lbs of water weight/glycogen after increasing cals and adding SD, and I've got Upper Body Strength later. I'll post how it went

 

[CSH]

Forgot to add, I've been seeing some side effects like slight depression, and some anxiety. I've been anxiety prone all my life but after cutting out caffeine, porn and fapping I've been doing pretty good

Does anyone get these sides from SD?

 

[abformulations]

I'm in. Any before and afters?

 

[CSH]

Sorry chief, no before pictures. I got this one I snapped yesterday but the glycogen shuttling from SD has already got me pretty pumped. I'll post an after pic on my last day

 

[abformulations]

Sorry chief, no before pictures. I got this one I snapped yesterday but the glycogen shuttling from SD has already got me pretty pumped. I'll post an after pic on my last day

Good enough playa.

 

[ArmstrongBrah]

Sorry chief, no before pictures. I got this one I snapped yesterday but the glycogen shuttling from SD has already got me pretty pumped. I'll post an after pic on my last day

I don't want to seem like a jerk here and I sure as hell don't have the credibility on this site, but I feel like your body is not nearly in as good of shape for someone who has ran 3 cycles. How has your diet been the past few years you've been training? No hard feelings intended bro, but if anyone is going to critique your physique, better us than some average Joe on the street!

 

[yates84]

In for the ride. I would cut clomid dose down to 50/50/25/25. Everything else looks good bro

 

[Magg0078]

I ran this before. I cut it short a week BC I felt like dog **** and ran down from it. Good luck.

 

[CSH]

I've had a crazy bumpy road for the past two years. The biggest set back was a deadlifting injury to my sciatic nerve. I was pulling 465 for reps and a week later I was screaming in the docs office.

Long story short all my lifts suffered big time and I spent an agonizing two months in bed. It's been three months since that incident and I'm healed up but my lifts are still recovering

Also forgot to mention, I've spent most of my life on a cut because I was a fatso until I was 16. I went from 250lbs of lard to a 150lb yard stick, and I've been trying to find my way ever since with bb'ing and PL

 

[CSH]

Upper Body Strength Day

Bench Press 3x5
210x3
210x3
210x3
135x10 (paused)
135x8 (paused)

Bb bent over row 3x8
120(plus row bar)x10
120x10
120x10
70x8 (paused)
70x6 (paused)

OH press 3x5
170x4
170x4
170x4

Weighted chin ups 2x8
60lbsx5
60lbsx5

Dips 2x8
60lbsx10
60lbsx9

Barbell curl 3x8
80lbsx12
80lbsx12


CGBP 3x8
155lbsx10
155lbsx8
155lbsx8

(Everything's in pounds)

I felt strong af today. The weights were cake, the reps flew by and I upped most exercises by 5lbs, I even threw in extra paused sets to most movements. My OHP and my chin-ups were a little sketchy, but it's probably because of all the extra bench and row sets I threw in, so I'll leave the paused sets for the end of my workout in the next session. Also I'm weighing in at 185lb, so the body weight exercises obviously got harder

Libido: It's been lacking lately and I blame it on some anxiety and lethargy from an albuterol cycle I was doing, but today it's been great. It's a terrible time to be single and busy in the uni

Psychological effects: I quit caffeine a few weeks back and my energy had been dirt ever since, but today I have over the top energy and my wit is so sharp it cuts. Either the Derma is kickin in or placebo. Either way it feelsgoodman

Macros for the day:
P:292
C:327
F:70

I'd like to thank Chipotle burritos for being the perfect high calorie semi-healthy indulgence. A little high fat but w/e, it's not the end of the world

Workout album for the day: Balance and Composure- The Things We Think We're Missing. Awesome, awesome stuff.

 

[thasswussup]

real quick, you said you got from the UK? so you had success ordering overseas?

 

[CSH]

Yep, I had no problem with customs. Derma is domestic, even though I'm pretty sure 4-DHEA is banned

 

[Atreyufan31]

I'm in.

 

[yates84]

Yep, I had no problem with customs. Derma is domestic, even though I'm pretty sure 4-DHEA is banned

Dhea is still gtg. 4 dhea is not in dermacrine but still not banned

 

[CSH]

1/20: 187.5lbs (+5lbs)

Rest day looking great. Libido still strong and I'm energized. The only problem I'm having is a little bloating around the face. I know SD doesn't aromatics, but should I keep an AI on hand just in case?

 

[yates84]

1/20: 187.5lbs (+5lbs)

Rest day looking great. Libido still strong and I'm energized. The only problem I'm having is a little bloating around the face. I know SD doesn't aromatics, but should I keep an AI on hand just in case?

Always keep an ai on hand. Just because a compound doesn't aromatize doesn't mean you won't have estrogen sides. Moon face is a definite sign of high estrogen

 

[CSH]

Always keep an ai on hand. Just because a compound doesn't aromatize doesn't mean you won't have estrogen sides. Moon face is a definite sign of high estrogen

It's a little late to order some Formeron. Do you think PES Erase is strong enough to keep the estro sides down?

 

[yates84]

It's a little late to order some Formeron. Do you think PES Erase is strong enough to keep the estro sides down?

That completely depends on your body. Has it been strong enough on previous cycles? I would recommend ordering a strong ai such as Anastrazole or exemestane on hand at all times

 

[CSH]

That completely depends on your body. Has it been strong enough on previous cycles? I would recommend ordering a strong ai such as Anastrazole or exemestane on hand at all times

I have Letro on hand, will a .1mg dose every two or three days suffice? I've been considering it but letro so strong that I'm iffy about messing with it right now

 

[yates84]

I have Letro on hand, will a .1mg dose every two or three days suffice? I've been considering it but letro so strong that I'm iffy about messing with it right now

Have no prior experience with letro so hopefully someone else can answer this one. Sounds a little over kill honestly, low estrogen sides suck

 

[CSH]

Quick update on sides: I'm experiencing what I think is high bp. Towards the end of the day my face started getting flushed and I'm getting a blurry vision side effect along with some tiredness

My current support supps are:
Hawthorne Berry
NAC
milk thistle
CoQ10
Multi-V
Fish oil
Rhodiola rosea
Liv 52

Should I up the dose on hawthorne Berry? I think I'm taking close to 500mg per day and I preloaded for a week before cycle

 

[yates84]

Quick update on sides: I'm experiencing what I think is high bp. Towards the end of the day my face started getting flushed and I'm getting a blurry vision side effect along with some tiredness

My current support supps are:
Hawthorne Berry
NAC
milk thistle
CoQ10
Multi-V
Fish oil
Rhodiola rosea
Liv 52

Should I up the dose on hawthorne Berry? I think I'm taking close to 500mg per day and I preloaded for a week before cycle

You need to check your bp daily. Buy a monitor for around 50$ or hit up the local pharmacy or Walmart and use Thier bp "booth"

 

[CSH]

1/21: 188.8lbs

Lower Body Power

High Bar Squats 3x5
255lbsx3 (+10lb increase)
255x3
255x3

Rack Pulls 3x6
255x6 (+10lb increase)
255x6
255x6

Leg Extensions 2x8
230x10 (+5lb increase)
230x10

Leg Curl 2x8
190x8
190x4
130x10

Hack Squat 3x8
235x8 (+5lb increase)
235x8

Libido game is still strong, I spotted a cute chick walking down the street this morning and 3 steps later I had a full hard-on lol. Blurry vision is still there along with some increased anxiety (dry mouth, brain fog etc), so I increased my cycle support dosage, milk thistle and hawthorn Berry. Oddly enough lifting made the anxiety better, the blurry vision is still there. I'm thinking this might be hypertension, I'll check my BP when I get home

Weights were cake today except on leg curls so I threw in an extra set for good measure. The bar speed was faster and my recovery has improved big time.

In other news I'm gonna run to GNC and buy myself some PES Erase Pro for the bloat, I'd rather not risk it with letro

 

[CSH]

BP was at 116/69 post workout, and sugar levels at 89 after post workout meal so everything should be fine

 

[CSH]

1/22: 189lbs

Weight is still going up slowly, but I heard that SD really kicks in on the second week.

I bought myself Erase Pro but after some research ,I read about cases of delayed gyno after PCT with superdrol and an AI on cycle. I guess I'm stashing this away for a trenavar cycle in the future

Sides are mostly gone and I'm feeling good. Today's a rest day but I might do some abs, chin ups and bodyweight stuff, possibly some HIIT to keep the fat off

 

[CSH]

1/23: 190lbs

Bench Press 3x5
215lbsx5x3 (+5lbs)
135x3x3

Curls 3x12
90lbsx10x3 (+5lb)

Incline BP 3x12
160lbsx10x3

Concentration curls 2x12
80lbsx12x2 (+5lb)

Machine chest press 3x12
155lbsx12x3

Cable chest flys 2x12
155lbx12 (+5lbs)
155x10

Spider curl 2x12
90lbsx6x2 (+5lb, but I should drop it down)

Tricep pulldowns 2x12
90lbsx14 (+5lbs)
90x8
45x10

Subbed out 8x3 speed BP with 3x5 at heavier weights cause f*ck speed work when I'm on SD. I wanna put on mass and strength fast

Seeing more definition around my arms and chest but keeping my cals up. No lethargy or libido loss. BP is fine

Haven't checked bodyfat but I'm guessing I'm still around 12% maybe 13% idk

 

[CSH]

1/24: 189.8lbs

Back hypertrophy day

Rows 3x12
125x10x3 (+5lb)

OHP 3x12
125x10x3 (+2reps)

Cable row 3x12
180x10x3

Machine pull-up 3x12
220x10x3 (+10lb)

Lateral raise 3x12
40lb dbsx12x3


Felt weak today so I cut the workout short. I got a bad ankle from some football I was playing yesterday and I'm just feeling low energy. Too much cardio and not enough sleep I guess, I'll rest up today and keep cals high so I can kill legs tomorrow

Update: the tiredness is probably the lethargy on cycle. I've had it pretty bad for the past few days, it's like a brain fog and all I can think about is sleeping all day. I hope this **** goes away soon lol

 

[Matthersby]

I always keep letro and nolva on hand. A low dose of both will crush any gyno. I once had rebound from SD several weeks after post cycle ended. Purity Solutions has them for $30 a piece. You'll end up using them at some point anyways. Erase wouldn't do anything for some of the gyno I've had.

 

[CSH]

I have some Letro in case **** hits the fan but I don't think I'll need it this cycle. I'm checking for gyno every morning and nothing so far

 

[Matthersby]

You won't need to check. You'll feel them long before they show up. They'll itch and throb...

 

[CSH]

1/25: 190lbs

Lower body hypertrophy

High bar squat 3x5
265lbsx3x3 (+10lbs)

Leg press 3x12
235x12x3 (+5lbs)

Hack Squat 3x12
235x8x3

Leg curl 2x12
130lbsx12x2 (+5lbs)

Leg extension 2x12
165x12x2 (+5lbs)

I've felt like puking all morning long. Bad headaches, hardly any quality sleep, really exhausted, legs still sore from a few days back, fatigue, and I'm not feeling as pumped as I was on my first days running SD. I also got a mild case of food poisoning yesterday, don't know what's up with that.

Are these all sides from SD? Or is it just a coincidence?

I usually have a protein shake and some low carb almond milk for breakfast. Is this probably a sugar low? Help me out guys

 

[CSH]

1/26: 188lbs (lost 2lbs wtf)

Upper body power

BP 3x5
220x3x3 (+5lb)

Bb row 3x12
135+bar8x3 (+10lb)

OHP 3x5
175x3x3 (+5lb)

Weighted chin ups 2x8
62.5x5x2 (+2.5lb)

Weighted Dips 2x8
62.5x8x2 (+2.5lb)

Standing straight curls 2x8
85x8x3 (+5lb)


I had a good session at the gym today, all my lifts have gone up substantially but I'm somehow two pounds lighter. It's my 8th day on SD, when should I be seeing the hyooge gains everyone raves about?

Upped my calories by +100, now I'm eating 3500 on workout days and 2900 on off days.

Libido still doing good, energy is pretty steady. Sides haven't gotten worse but I'm not feelin 100% "there" if you get me, it feels like something's off in my head. The results outweigh the sides big time so I'm keeping this cycle going!

 

[CSH]

1/27: 187lbs

Rest day

I've lost three pounds but I've kept my diet the same. Is this water weight or something? Someone please chime in

 

[rascal14]

If you're trying to gain as much mass as possible I would keep calories high even on off days too. You're still recovering then and need the food to grow.

 

[rascal14]

You also need to be sure and up your calories as your gaining weight to keep on gaining.

 

[CSH]

You also need to be sure and up your calories as your gaining weight to keep on gaining.

Good call. I fixed my cal intake with the weight gain but I'll stay above maintenance on my off days

 

[CSH]

1/28: 190.6lbs

Lower body power

Squats 3x5
275lbx3x3 (+10lbs)

Rack pulls 3x8
275lbx6x3 (+20lbs)

Leg extensions 2x8
240lbsx10x2 (+10lbs)

Leg curls 2x8
190lbsx6x2

Hack squats 3x8
240lbsx8x3 (+5lb)

Weight gain is back on track! I'm pretty happy with my session this morning, the weights are steadily increasing and I'm feeling pretty strong.

Libido is still doing good, and I don't feel that crappy this morning so maybe the SD sides are going away

 

[CSH]

1/29

192.2lbs

Rest day. Ate +500 cals over my bulking cals yesterday cause I had half of a pecan pie. Gonna hold back a little on the cals today so I don't gain too much fat on cycle

1/30

191.8lbs

Chest hypertrophy day

BP 3x5
225x3x3 (+5lb)

And that was about my most noticeable gain. I've been feeling a whole new level of ****ty on this cycle lol. I feel lethargic 24/7, emotionally unstable and anxious. I have a background on anxiety issues so as a heads up DONT TAKE THIS IF YOU HAVE ANXIETY OR DEPRESSION! It's really bringing out my psychological problems and it's not fun

 

[Volvo140G]

Sub'd

Planning a first time SD run sometime later this yr, crush it brotha!!!

 

[Volvo140G]

Any comment on the dermacrine use thus far?

 

[CSH]

It's kept the libido strong brosef, I never run a cycle without it!

 

[Volvo140G]

Good chit breaux!

 

[NattyForLife]

Late but in! How you liking the dermacrine! It is some awesome stuff?

 

[CSH]

Late but in! How you liking the dermacrine! It is some awesome stuff?

Derma is A+, I've ran a cycle of it as a standalone and gained decent mass for what it is. The 24/7 alpha mental boost is awesome, and the energy it's giving me is what hasn't made this cycle miserable lol

 

[CSH]

1/31: marks two weeks into SD. Couldn't weigh myself cause my scales broken so I'll head out to a store and get one later

Back hypertrophy day

T-bar Row 3x8
140lbsx10x3 (+5lb)

OHP 3x12
135lbsx10x3 (+10lb)

Cable Row 3x10
185lbsx10 (+5lb)

Hammer strength weighted chin-ups 3x10
230lbsx10x3 (+10lb)

Lateral raises 2x12
45lbsx12x2

Chin-ups 2x12
Bodyweightx12x2

Lat pull down 2x12
140lbsx2x10 (+5lbs)


The pumps were INSANE today. I breezed through the workout and I wasn't feeling as tired (lethargy is still an issue on cycle) but this is how a superdrol cycle should rightfully make you feel, somewhere between beast and lethargic. Maybe this third and last week on SD is gonna be killer

 

[NattyForLife]

Derma is A+, I've ran a cycle of it as a standalone and gained decent mass for what it is. The 24/7 alpha mental boost is awesome, and the energy it's giving me is what hasn't made this cycle miserable lol

Thanks for the support brother!

 

[CSH]

2/1: still no scale, but I look leaner today for some reason

Lower body hypertrophy

Squat 3x5
280x3x3 (+5lb)

Leg press 2x12
245x12x3 (+10lb)

Hack squat 3x12
245x8x3 (+5lb)

Leg extensions 2x12
165x14x2

Leg curls 2x12
135x12x2 (+5lb)

I didn't get a shred of sleep last night but I'm still bumping up the weights. Good for me lol

 

[CSH]

Forgot to add that I'm feeling way stronger today than I have throughout the past two weeks, I feel like SD is finally kicking in for real in this last week

 

[CSH]

2/2: 193~

Still no scale but I weighed myself at the gym after a preworkout shake

Upper body power

Bench Press 3x5
230x3x3 (+5lb, had a spotter on the last reps)

BB Row 3x8
145x8x3 (+5lb)

OHP 3x5
175x5x3 (+2 reps on each set)

Weighted chin ups 2x8
62.5x6x3

Weighted dips 2x8
62.5x6x3

Standing straight curls 3x8
90x8x3 (+5lb)

CGBP 3x8


I FEEL GOOD!!! Not that tired or lethargic anymore, I've got energy for days and my strength is climbing up. I'm seeing new striations every morning on a bulk which is weird.

Libido is magnificent, Dermacrine is working it good.

I still haven't gotten my Epi in the mail but I have another bottle of Derma, so should I run it solo to solidify my SD gains?

 

[Volvo140G]

I'd run the SD til your epi comes in. Then again, derm might help u stay a bit more anabolic until you start the epi....

Does epi typically start "working" pretty fast?