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Alright everyone so the countdown is on for the beginning of my cycle (name cycle). This is my first time with this so I'm hoping to get the best results out of it. I will be going for a lean mass bulk and hopefully losing a percent or two of body fat. *I will start in a week or two once this current hip problem I am having settles down. I believe there is a knot in there causing pain when I do leg lift or squats.

My current stats
26 (27 in 3 months) 6'2'' 225.5 lbs around 13 -14 percent body fat
Goals - id be happy with 235 around 12 percent body fat. I believe those are realistic.
Workout *program - I will be doing a combination of 5x5 and 5/3/1 to increase strength and size
* * * * M - chest/bi - heavier sets (3-5 rep range working sets)
* * * * T - legs - heavier set
* * * * W- Back/tris/shoulders - heavier sets
* * * * TH - day off
* * * * F- day off
* * * * Sa - Upper body -lighter sets (7-10 rep range working sets)
* * * * Su - Lower *- lighter sets
Following m - day off
T - chest/bi etc...

Current Maxes - Bench * 305 * * * * * *
Squat 475
Dl 405
Small Goals Bench * * *325 *
Squat 525
Dl. 455
*Big Goals * bench * 350
Squat 550
Dl 500
* * * * * * * * *
I know DL is lower than my squat, its attribute to back strength for me, I hate breaking form. I want to hit my small goals, im sure my big goals are too much.

WILL EDIT before cycle
Morning Measurements
Neck:
Shoulders:
Chest:
Arms:
Waist: (right below belly button)
Legs:

Eating schedule TDEE 3080 calories
Meal 1: (wake up 6) cal prot. Fat
Protein Shake * 2 Scoops * * * *240 * * 48 * * *2
Oats * *1 Cup * 300 * * 10 * * *5
Olive oil * * * 1 tablesp * * * 120 * * 0 * * * 14

Meal 2:
Eggs * *2 * * * 140 * * 12 * * *10
Egg white * * * 3 * * * 42 * * *12 * * *0
Greek Yogurt. * *1 * * * 130 * * 15 * * *0
Spinach. 2 oz * *15 * * *0 * * * 0

Meal 3:
Brown Rice * * *1/2 cup, 140 * * 5* * * 1
Tuna * * 2 cans *200 * * 40 * * *4
olive oil * * * 1 tablesp * * * 120 * * 0 * * * 14

Meal 4:
85/15ground Turk.* 6 oz * *345 * * 27 * * *25.5
Whole Grain bread 1 slice 110 * * 5 * * * 2
Natural PB * * *2 tablesp * * * 190 * * 7 * * * 15

Meal 5: (Pre WO)
Brown Rice * * * cup. 140 * * 5 * * * 1
Chicken. 6 oz * *210 * * 36 * * *3
olive oil * * * .5 tablesp * * *60 * * *0 * * * 7
green beans * * 1 * * * 15 * * *0 * * * 0

Meal 6: (Post WO 8-9 pm)
eggs * *2 * * * 140 * * 12 * * *10
Egg white. 2. 28. 8. 0
Turkey Bacon * *2 slices * * * *35 * * *3.5 * * 2
FF cheese * * * 1/2 slice * * * 15 * * *2 * * * 0

Meal 7 (Before bed about 10-11pm)
Protein Shake * 2 Scoops * * * *240 * * 48 * * *2
oats * *1/2 cup 150 * * 5 * * * 2.5
FF Milk. 12 oz * 135 * * 12 * * *0
Natural PB * * *2 tablesp * * * 190 * * 7 * * * 15

Total * * * * * 3450 * *325.5 * 135.0

Carbs fill in the rest. *That's about 1.25-1.5 g protein/LB. Fat is .5-.6g/lb. One day a week will be a cheat meal if I feel like I need it.
I will adjust to any recommendations you guys have. I just want to not waste this opportunity. *I am not sure if I need more carbs while on the cycle, if so I will adjust.

Cycle information
RPN Havoc *- * * *30/40/40/40/50/50
LGI Stano-200 800/800/800/800/1000/1000
CEL Cycle assist
Orange triad
Fish oil
Taurine 3-5G/ED

PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20 changed to 20/20/20/20
DAA 3g/ED for 6weeks
Sup3r 0/0/75/50/50/25 - was erase pro
PreWO Supp
Creatine

I also have Letro and formeron on hand in case anything happens

Time of dosage (this is where I am a little fuzzy)
8am h/stano
12 pm cycle assist
4pm h/stano (workout is around 6-7pm)
6pm orange triad/fish/taurine
8 pm cycle assist

Ill take any suggestions and apply changes, I tried to make it detailed as possible for everyone to follow.

Thank you.
 
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Dam u got this planned out way better than most people. I like the idea of small goals and slightly optimistic big goals
 
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You want to pan the dosages based on half life of Epi and your cycle assist. Take your Morning dosage of stano/epi the. 3/4 hours later take cycle assist and stano again. Then afternoon , assuming another 3-4 hour split, another epi stano dose. Then another 3-4 hours cycle assist and stano, that last stano dose is dependent on how much you're running I always split it up this way because I didn't want the compound to compete with the cycle assist in my body. I did very well wth this.

EDIT- your dosing looks fine. Btw
 
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Looks good.

I'd take Nolva at 20/20/10/10 though. 40/20/20/20 seems like an overkill to me.
 

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Dam u got this planned out way better than most people. I like the idea of small goals and slightly optimistic big goals
I figured if I can hit the small goals within a decent time frame then hopefully ill b om track for the big goals. I wanted to make it detailed as possible so its clear for me and everyone so I didn't leave any information out
 

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You want to pan the dosages based on half life of Epi and your cycle assist. Take your Morning dosage of stano/epi the. 3/4 hours later take cycle assist and stano again. Then afternoon , assuming another 3-4 hour split, another epi stano dose. Then another 3-4 hours cycle assist and stano, that last stano dose is dependent on how much you're running I always split it up this way because I didn't want the compound to compete with the cycle assist in my body. I did very well wth this.

EDIT- your dosing looks fine. Btw

Thanks man, its the one thing I was troubling with. Im ur describtions u took stano w cycle assist in ur second dosing. Does stano have a shorter half life that it needs to be takened more frequently?
 

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Looks good.

I'd take Nolva at 20/20/10/10 though. 40/20/20/20 seems like an overkill to me.
My capsules are in 20 mg for nolva unfortunately. I clearly didn't think of tampering off to 10mg. Would 20/20/20/20 still be effective or can split the capsules and mix half powder in water or something
 
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20/20/20/20 will work.
 
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I just didn't like taking megadoses of stano at once. Splitting the doses just helps keep your hormones level instead of fluctuating.
 
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Splitting the doses of ANY orals is a good idea anyway. It is not a huge pain in the ass to take one or two caps with every meal.
 

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I agree I was just making sure there wasnt something I was overlooking. I tend to over think things prob why I have such a long log post ha
 
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everything seems fine to me!
 

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Thanks guys, I'm start running it around march 17/18 after a take a week off from the gym to let nagging little pains go away .
 

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The only thing im considering is changing out the erase pro for something like ad-3 or pct revolution black, something that contains arimistane in it for a stronger ai? Looking at erase pro ingredients it doesn't state it contains arimistane. Thoughts?
 
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The only thing im considering is changing out the erase pro for something like ad-3 or pct revolution black, something that contains arimistane in it for a stronger ai? Looking at erase pro ingredients it doesn't state it contains arimistane. Thoughts?
New version of Erase Pro doesn't contain Arimistane. Olympus Labs SUP3R PCT does - it's a very affordable and well-dosed option with several other good ingredients as well.
 

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Seems like the results from the new erase are promising. I have some and will see how it works.
 

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New version of Erase Pro doesn't contain Arimistane. Olympus Labs SUP3R PCT does - it's a very affordable and well-dosed option with several other good ingredients as well.
Thank you go hard, ill look into it. What's a good dosing of arimistane in pct? 75/50/50/25? Also can I take it during cycle if pregyno arises?
 
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Thank you go hard, ill look into it. What's a good dosing of arimistane in pct? 75/50/50/25? Also can I take it during cycle if pregyno arises?
That would work. The most important thing is to taper it down in order to avoid possible estrogen rebound.

I'd prefer AR1MACARE Pro as on-cycle AI because it has TUDCA and other cycle support ingredients in it as well. But for gyno prevention SUP3R PCT works just as well - it may even be better because it has L-Dopa in it :)
 

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That would work. The most important thing is to taper it down in order to avoid possible estrogen rebound.

I'd prefer AR1MACARE Pro as on-cycle AI because it has TUDCA and other cycle support ingredients in it as well. But for gyno prevention SUP3R PCT works just as well - it may even be better because it has L-Dopa in it :)
Thank u again gohard. I like the prolactin blocker in sup3r and will taper so no rebound hopefully
 

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Alright im starting this wends after a week off from the gym just wanted to give update and ill try to keep everything updated as possible
 

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3/19

Started cycle today, I didnt lift unfortunately, but ill get it hard tomorrow. Diet was on point. Eating what is on the first page. And following cycle per mg as stated also. Didn't expect to feel anything, I know it doesn't work instantly but im excited when it does.
 
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What's your cycle look like now
 

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What's your cycle look like now
Havoc 30/40/40/40/50/50
Stano 800/800/800/800/1000/1000
Cel cycle assist
Taurine
Orange triad
Fish oil

Pct
Nolva 20/20/20/20
Sup3r (ai) 75/50/50/25
Daa 3g for 6 weeks
Creatine
Pre wo

Have formeron and letro on hand
 
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nice! have fun!
 

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3/20

first gym day on cycle and first day back in a week. I def experienced some light dull headaches but that could also be attributed to sinuses.

Gym chest n back. W count of 4 down 2 up
Supersetted each chest n back exercises

Bench 135 15 225 9 7 7
Pull ups 11 9 7 7

Incline bench 135 12 10 8
Lat pull down 60 12 12 12

Alter db press 55 10 10 10
Standing Rope cable back pulls 65 10 72.5 10 10

Took everything real slow focusing alot on muscle contraction and getting the feel of the gym after time off. Face was a little hotter than normal. Workouts will become higher volume and increased weight next week
 

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3/21

Today was leg day. I haven't done legs in a month since my hip issue. Lesser headaches today

Legs simple and slow

Squat (3count down) 135 5 225 5 315 5 405 6 6 4
Leg press (5count down 3 up) 360 12 12 12
Single leg 180 7 6 4

Just wanted to fatigue the legs and get some flexibility back in them, felt good to get under the bar again
 

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Thanks guys this is my first cycle so I want to get the most out of it, prob why i wanted it so detailed. But yesterday was a day and ill be hitting shoulders and arms today, so ill update this later on in the day
 

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3/23

Nothing to note. No headaches, just think it was a slight elevated blood pressure. Work out went well shoulder and arms supersetted

Close grip bench focused on tri pinch 135 12 185 10 8
Oh press 135 10 8 8
Chin up focused on bi movement 12 10 8

Skull crushers 135 10 6 8
Db press 70 5 60 7 7
Db curl 40 10 10 10

Cables
Rev tri push down 30lb 10 10 10
Face pulls 57.5lb 10 10 10
Bi curls 30lb 15 15 15
Db lateral raises 15lb 12 12 12

Felt good today nice pump and slow movements will hit higher weight next week
 

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Cycle started on 3/19. On 3/24

Weighed myself this morning and was 226.6 after poss and naked. I started at 225.5 so up 1.1 pounds. My quads still pretty sore from a few days ago, ill make today's leg workout more hamstring oriented for tonight. Felt a little nipple sensitivity last night but I believe it was from the coldness in my house. This morning all is fine with them.

Edit: I believe some of the weight is water retention from my sore ass legs still
 
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Hey 43, could you list the day at the beginning of updates?
 

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Looks like a solid cycle with good supplementation. Def subbed!
 

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3/24

Thanks for the subs guys. Im hoping to some good results with steady training. Today was day off from gym. My lehs hurt to much to bent down so I didnt want to mess with my lifts. Tomorrow (3^25) ill hit legs. Stay tuned.
 

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Cycle started on 3/19 . On 3/25

Took everything as usually. Didnt feel anything side effects wise. The gym was leg day which I couldn't wait for. It was a mixture of a workout with deadlifts heavy and the accessories light w high reps. Deadlifts were stop reset and pull again. No bouncing weight. hit a PR has I got 405 for dueces. Previously I could only get one. And continued the feeling to Got 425.

Deadlifts 225 5 315 3 365 3 405 2 425 1 (PR)
(Tempo on below 1up 4down)
Leg ext 100 15 15 15 15
Standing hamstring curl 50lb 15 15 15 15

It was a great workout felt good. Was a little tired going into it. Im just trying to get use to not having a preworkout.
 

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3/26 seventh day of cycle

Today is the last day of havoc at 30mg I will be bumping it up tomorrow to 40mg. Also I weighed myself this morning and was 227.6. Which is 2.1 pounds from starting. This was also after heavy deadlifts but ill take it!
 

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Subbed! Going to run literally the exact same cycle in a few weeks. Can't wait to see your results.
 
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Cycle started on 3/19 . On 3/25

Took everything as usually. Didnt feel anything side effects wise. The gym was leg day which I couldn't wait for. It was a mixture of a workout with deadlifts heavy and the accessories light w high reps. Deadlifts were stop reset and pull again. No bouncing weight. hit a PR has I got 405 for dueces. Previously I could only get one. And continued the feeling to Got 425.

Deadlifts 225 5 315 3 365 3 405 2 425 1 (PR)
(Tempo on below 1up 4down)
Leg ext 100 15 15 15 15
Standing hamstring curl 50lb 15 15 15 15

It was a great workout felt good. Was a little tired going into it. Im just trying to get use to not having a preworkout.
You could certainly grab a stim-free PWO.

High Volume and Hemoval are great options.
 
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You could certainly grab a stim-free PWO. High Volume and Hemoval are great options.
Or buy bulk agamtine, potassium nitrate, creatine and CM and be gtg.

I use caffeine on cycle even though you shouldn't :(
 
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Or buy bulk agamtine, potassium nitrate, creatine and CM and be gtg.

I use caffeine on cycle even though you shouldn't :(
It depends how caffeine effects you.

I have a high tolerance and a Red Bull barely moves the needle for me, meanwhile my GF has a Pepsi and she's anxious, nervous, and uncomfortable.

I think the blanket statement "avoid caffeine on cycle" is a good rule, but not black and white for everybody.
 

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Would something like agmatine increase likelihood of terrible back pumps and the like?
 

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Thanks for the advice guys. Caffeine doesn't do too much for me but that is when I using preworkout without a break. Its been almost a month now so I wouldn't know, I'll try the stim free stuff first
 

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3/26

Yesterday was my last day at 30mg for havoc, I know it doesn't start kicking in until 2/3 week but I was just ready to pump it up. Back was a little tight from deadlifts but nothing painful. Libido is still normal and high. Boners everywhere.

Gym today was chest went well. Did heavier weights at first then switch to supersettings two exercise to fatique the chest. It really killed me towards the end. Felt like a little biotch but I didnt care bc my chest was screaming.

Bench 135 15 225 6 275 3 3 280 3 135 15
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Incline bench 135lb 10 6 5 5
Push ups 25 20 12 10
Cable flies 40 10 10 10 10
Underhand incline bench 115 6 5 5
 

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3/27 day off

Started havoc at 40mg today. Its my day off today so ill be relaxing tonight not doing a damn thing. No sides so far

If u guys want other things included in this log let me know.
 

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