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    Tren, test, mast ? Need experienced advice please


    6ft 89kg nearly 10% bf

    Done 4 cycles before including tren, but I messed up as I was a party animal , settled down now so want to get this one spot in for lean bulk

    Please advise on length of cycle and dosage etc



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    1-16 masteron enanthate 400mg


    1-14tren Enanthate 500mg

    1-17test Enanthate 750mg wk

    1-17provorin 50mg ed

    1-4 dbol 50mg ed

    13-17winny 50mg ed

    1000iu wk hcg up until blast

    Adex 0.25 eod all through taper off at end of pct

    Caber 0.5mg eod 1-17

    2 weeks after last jab of test e ..HCG blast of 2000iu eod for 10 shots

    Followed by 4-5 weeks clomid and nolva



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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    6ft 89kg nearly 10% bf

    Done 4 cycles before including tren, but I messed up as I was a party animal , settled down now so want to get this one spot in for lean bulk

    Please advise on length of cycle and dosage etc

    Weeks
    1-16 masteron enanthate 400mg

    1-14tren Enanthate 500mg

    1-17test Enanthate 750mg wk

    1-17provorin 50mg ed

    1-4 dbol 50mg ed

    13-17winny 50mg ed

    1000iu wk hcg up until blast

    Adex 0.25 eod all through taper off at end of pct

    Caber 0.5mg eod 1-17

    2 weeks after last jab of test e ..HCG blast of 2000iu eod for 10 shots

    Followed by 4-5 weeks clomid and nolva

    Think that's it what you think?
    I would lower the test dosages to around 125-250 while on tren, tren binds to the AR a lot stronger than test and as such leaves you open to estrogen sides if your test is too high.
    Don't run hcg is pct, it's suppressive, run it 250iu e3d up until 5 - 7 days out from pct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    I would lower the test dosages to around 125-250 while on tren, tren binds to the AR a lot stronger than test and as such leaves you open to estrogen sides if your test is too high.
    Don't run hcg is pct, it's suppressive, run it 250iu e3d up until 5 - 7 days out from pct.
    Yes I'm lowering test to 300 mate .
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    That's a lot of gear for a long time. Hope you get your natural production back when its all over...
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    That's a lot of gear for a long time. Hope you get your natural production back when its all over...
    Hi mate what would you say was a better dosage and for how long ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post

    Hi mate what would you say was a better dosage and for how long ??
    Have you ever run tren before??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Have you ever run tren before??
    Yes i have , tren e. but didn't use hcg etc and sloppy with timings and dosage with pct I was a party animal last year also
    My libido messed up after and blood test showed low test I did another pct n libido bk

    I then had further blood test and waiting results before I use again to make sure I can

    I'm not doing these doses now as I'm worried about permanent shut down n trt
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post

    Yes i have , tren e. but didn't use hcg etc and sloppy with timings and dosage with pct I was a party animal last year also
    My libido messed up after and blood test showed low test I did another pct n libido bk

    I then had further blood test and waiting results before I use again to make sure I can

    I'm not doing these doses now as I'm worried about permanent shut down n trt
    Well if your going to run gear there's always a possibility that you won't recover. You can minimise this via a thorough pct etc but there's always that risk.
    I'd run the tren mast for 12 weeks and the test for 14. Lower test, around 250 mast at 300 minimum and tren at 400-500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Well if your going to run gear there's always a possibility that you won't recover. You can minimise this via a thorough pct etc but there's always that risk.
    I'd run the tren mast for 12 weeks and the test for 14. Lower test, around 250 mast at 300 minimum and tren at 400-500.
    Yes mate that's the best advice I've heard I think

    Ill still make gains

    What about dbol n winny ? I might forget winny all together

    Another issue is lol my misses just got pregnant so not sure if 2 hormonal people is a good idea lol

    I think I'm still gunna wait for blood results n see what it says , if its normal then I may go again
    If its low ill have another test as its further 2 months on ... (6 months from pct)
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    If you can't reach your goals with test/tren/mast you aren't doing it right. I ran those 3 this past summer. By the end, I felt like a used rag (besides tight and strong as fk). Fortunately I just resume trt, but i felt so unlike my normal self, it's hard to explain. I couldn't imagine dumping more gear into myself AFTER that for another 2-3 months.

    Plus, living with a pregnant woman was very difficult for me. I have two beautiful daughters. (And a wife lol). My diet was trash when she had wild cravings but in her weakened/vulnerable/whatever state, joining her in the junk food (only the first time) actually was a good bonding for us because we are both in the fitness industry and laughed about our weight gain. It is true when they say you both get pregnant. And not to mention the hormone roller coaster. Turns em into a different woman, especially the first pregnancy.

    Just my 2 cents. More gear isn't always better. Especially if you crave cocktails sometimes. I certainly did. And methyls with alcohol just is not smart
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    If you can't reach your goals with test/tren/mast you aren't doing it right. I ran those 3 this past summer. By the end, I felt like a used rag (besides tight and strong as fk). Fortunately I just resume trt, but i felt so unlike my normal self, it's hard to explain. I couldn't imagine dumping more gear into myself AFTER that for another 2-3 months.

    Plus, living with a pregnant woman was very difficult for me. I have two beautiful daughters. (And a wife lol). My diet was trash when she had wild cravings but in her weakened/vulnerable/whatever state, joining her in the junk food (only the first time) actually was a good bonding for us because we are both in the fitness industry and laughed about our weight gain. It is true when they say you both get pregnant. And not to mention the hormone roller coaster. Turns em into a different woman, especially the first pregnancy.

    Just my 2 cents. More gear isn't always better. Especially if you crave cocktails sometimes. I certainly did. And methyls with alcohol just is not smart
    Ha ha (and the wife ) that made me laugh
    Yea well trt is not what I want mate I'm 29 soon so abit young really . So awaiting blood results see if I am ok I suppose as I know it will lower test again naturally

    Yea we will both be pregnant and its her first but I've knocked the alcohol out only have a couple pints on a weekend really .

    I really want to do the course with lower dose like
    1-12 mast 300
    1-12 tren 500
    1-14 test 300
    1-4 dbol 50ed and that's it

    Proper hcg and pct and caber etc all way through

    Suppose ill post my blood results in a weeks time
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    Low test high tren, high test low tren, high test , high tren. Its all individual there is no right or wrong way to do it. Its all dependent on the person. I love rinning test an almost the same amount of tren.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubfungus View Post
    Low test high tren, high test low tren, high test , high tren. Its all individual there is no right or wrong way to do it. Its all dependent on the person. I love rinning test an almost the same amount of tren.
    True , I'm starting to be concerned with threads of men my age going on trt at only 28
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    The only time I feel weird off a cycle is when I dtay on tren 10 weeks . I feel like I crash .but I does my pct an **** an I akways recover an feel amazing. Ya unless your cycling like a monster there is no reason for trt at 28. You should recover fine. Id say trt would be around mid 30s.. im 28 an I have cruised etc an I recover an feel the same an continue to build muscle on an off gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubfungus View Post
    The only time I feel weird off a cycle is when I dtay on tren 10 weeks . I feel like I crash .but I does my pct an **** an I akways recover an feel amazing. Ya unless your cycling like a monster there is no reason for trt at 28. You should recover fine. Id say trt would be around mid 30s.. im 28 an I have cruised etc an I recover an feel the same an continue to build muscle on an off gear.
    Yea that sounds good as long as I keep lower doses and avoid kind courses , ill let u know my bloods next week
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    Bloods not good lads test is only 5.6 raised from 1.4 in 2 months tho
    Average do. Said was around 10-25 test

    So not going to do it

    Anyone had any experience with hgh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    Bloods not good lads test is only 5.6 raised from 1.4 in 2 months tho
    Average do. Said was around 10-25 test

    So not going to do it

    Anyone had any experience with hgh?
    Man if I was you if get off everything for awhile and try to get your test levels back up naturally. There's always time to cycle later. If all else fails and you can't get it back up there's always trt. You can blast and cruise all you like then.
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    Ya im going to be on gear year round prettu much for how ever long I nesd to be to reach my physique
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    Let me just tell you my test+mast cycle makes my sausage so big I just want to beat it against stuff. Insatiable and jerking ain't gonna cut it. I need a gang bang
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    Instead of another course then , would anyone reconnect hgh for 6-8 months ? I am guessing I will gain some size ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Let me just tell you my test+mast cycle makes my sausage so big I just want to beat it against stuff. Insatiable and jerking ain't gonna cut it. I need a gang bang
    Lmfao
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    And trt isn't option as I want kids etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    And trt isn't option as I want kids etc
    You can still have kids on trt, it's just a bit more difficult. Either way I would be running anything suppressive, HGH would be good if you can get the good shít.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    You can still have kids on trt, it's just a bit more difficult. Either way I would be running anything suppressive, HGH would be good if you can get the good shít.
    Yea no roids for me for a while
    Just bought testo pro swole stack , it can only help increase test and motivation

    I may get hgh but apparently if u don't take roids all that will happen in 6 months is slight gain and bit fat loss
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    Done another pct
    Feel fine now , no libido issues , would have been 10 months since last cycle
    I should really get bloods done . My last bloods showed
    Test 5.3
    Lh 3.6
    Fsh 3.4
    3 months ago . I've done another oct since then and I feel great

    But now it's winter I feel a bulk is now in swing
    Diet is arranged so thinking if

    Deca test cycle

    Caber 0.25 x2 wk after 4 wks 0.25 x3 wk all the way through inc pct
    Adex 0.25 eod throughout

    Deca 400mg 1-12
    Tri test 800mg 1-14
    Dbol 40mg 1-4
    Hcg 500iu x2 wk 1-14
    14-15 no hcg
    15- 10days of 1000iu hcg EOD
    Wait four days then
    Clomid 300mg first day 100/100/50/50
    Nolva 40/40/20/20
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    Done another pct
    Feel fine now , no libido issues , would have been 10 months since last cycle
    I should really get bloods done . My last bloods showed
    Test 5.3
    Lh 3.6
    Fsh 3.4
    3 months ago . I've done another oct since then and I feel great

    But now it's winter I feel a bulk is now in swing
    Diet is arranged so thinking if

    Deca test cycle

    Caber 0.25 x2 wk after 4 wks 0.25 x3 wk all the way through inc pct
    Adex 0.25 eod throughout

    Deca 400mg 1-12
    Tri test 800mg 1-14
    Dbol 40mg 1-4
    Hcg 500iu x2 wk 1-14
    14-15 no hcg
    15- 10days of 1000iu hcg EOD
    Wait four days then
    Clomid 300mg first day 100/100/50/50
    Nolva 40/40/20/20
    Just because you feel fine doesn't mean you are. Get bloodwork done before even thinking about running a cycle and if your number aren't in normal ranges then wait.
    Re the cycle ditch the tri test, blends are just garbage IMO. No need to beast the hcg at the end either it's simply a waste of good gear and money, your testes will already be producing test as they have been reviewing a LH signal during your cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Just because you feel fine doesn't mean you are. Get bloodwork done before even thinking about running a cycle and if your number aren't in normal ranges then wait. Re the cycle ditch the tri test, blends are just garbage IMO. No need to beast the hcg at the end either it's simply a waste of good gear and money, your testes will already be producing test as they have been reviewing a LH signal during your cycle.
    Bloods tomorrow mate ! You have any idea what normal ranges are for 28 year old ? Can't seem to find it . I'll ask doctor see what they say !
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post

    Bloods tomorrow mate ! You have any idea what normal ranges are for 28 year old ? Can't seem to find it . I'll ask doctor see what they say !
    There's no normal as every individual is different. The range here in Australia is 10-33 so as long as your in that range your gtg. In the states it's something like 300-1100ng/dl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    There's no normal as every individual is different. The range here in Australia is 10-33 so as long as your in that range your gtg. In the states it's something like 300-1100ng/dl
    Mine was Test 5.3
    Lh 3.6
    Fsh 3.4

    That was 4 months ago
    Since then done a long pct but low doses so I'm hoping that's bumped natural test up to about 10-15
    Fingers crossed hey mate
    I find out in 2 weeks the results ! I hope I'm good to go !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post

    Mine was Test 5.3
    Lh 3.6
    Fsh 3.4

    That was 4 months ago
    Since then done a long pct but low doses so I'm hoping that's bumped natural test up to about 10-15
    Fingers crossed hey mate
    I find out in 2 weeks the results ! I hope I'm good to go !!
    I hope it has worked for your sake. Let me know the results when you find out. I'm in a similar situation, my test came back at just 6 last week. I'm thinking about going on trt although that is a big decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I hope it has worked for your sake. Let me know the results when you find out. I'm in a similar situation, my test came back at just 6 last week. I'm thinking about going on trt although that is a big decision.
    I'm hoping it was just tren shut me down hard , should recover sometimes it can take a year or more mate .
    Next time I'm running caber hcg and a stringer pct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    I hope it has worked for your sake. Let me know the results when you find out. I'm in a similar situation, my test came back at just 6 last week. I'm thinking about going on trt although that is a big decision.
    Trt it looks like so one more blood test then I get it perscribed and tested 6 month intervals so a blast bulk



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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    Trt it looks like so one more blood test then I get it perscribed and tested 6 month intervals so a blast bulk Caber dostinex pills 0.25 eod tren enanthate 600mg wk 1-12 Tri test 400mg wk 1-14 Dbol 50mg wk1-4 Proviron pills 50mg ed 1-14 Anything else needed let me know
    That's pretty sweet man. When I go on I hope it's intervals are the same as yours. My doc won't put me on until I get the wife preggers, says that even though test is low my sperm counts decent and mobility is good. Damn fertility doctors lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    That's pretty sweet man. When I go on I hope it's intervals are the same as yours. My doc won't put me on until I get the wife preggers, says that even though test is low my sperm counts decent and mobility is good. Damn fertility doctors lol!
    Funny you should say that mate ..
    I'm abit worried about being permenabtly infertile while blasting n cruising on trt. I've got a kid on the way but I may want another tho ...
    Got the tren in hand just waiting to start lol hmmm
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    You could always go for a fertility test, if you have a good count and mobility you could always put them in the bank. You just have to pay the admin fee and then a storage fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    You could always go for a fertility test, if you have a good count and mobility you could always put them in the bank. You just have to pay the admin fee and then a storage fee.
    What a ball ache lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigydar View Post
    What a ball ache lol
    lol just am excuse to rub one out really haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    lol just am excuse to rub one out really haha
    Ha ha ... Might look into it ... But due to start my tren Friday lol
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