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    Interesting that you use speed lifting. I thought that speed is only used to develop athletic "power" and not hypertrophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Interesting that you use speed lifting. I thought that speed is only used to develop athletic "power" and not hypertrophy.
    Do some paused benches or squats at the bottom of the rep. I swear you can feel the hypertophy and that's all been presented as powerlifting type work as well. My point being if it works for one style if lift why not the other. And to top it off... Power lifters are friggin huge....I seriously think the difference between pl and bb is cardio and diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Interesting that you use speed lifting. I thought that speed is only used to develop athletic "power" and not hypertrophy.
    It could be seen that way but think about this. Developing bar speed / explosiveness allows you to lift more when you go back to lifting heavier, lifting heavier weights perpetuates the progressive load required for hypertrophy. Kind of sheds some light on why it is really best to train most every type of training if you want the best results possible.

    I think also that a lot of powerlifters nowadays are body builders who specialize in strength. If you look at the weights and rep ranges on a lot of the accessory work it is often in what is considered the hypertrophy range. However heavy weight definitely makes the muscle fiber itself grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    It could be seen that way but think about this. Developing bar speed / explosiveness allows you to lift more when you go back to lifting heavier, lifting heavier weights perpetuates the progressive load required for hypertrophy. Kind of sheds some light on why it is really best to train most every type of training if you want the best results possible. I think also that a lot of powerlifters nowadays are body builders who specialize in strength. If you look at the weights and rep ranges on a lot of the accessory work it is often in what is considered the hypertrophy range. However heavy weight definitely makes the muscle fiber itself grow.
    I personally feel hypertrophy is achieved, not to the same degree as a heavy ass weight, through speed work as long as your doing it correctly. A good controlled negative a slight pause at the bottom and powering through all the way to lockouts gets me gassed even in sets of 3 at 60% 1rm.


    In my younger years when I thought bench was king Monday ways blow a gasket heavy and Thursday was high rep/speed/pauses. My bench is still by far my strong point size wise and strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    I personally feel hypertrophy is achieved, not to the same degree as a heavy ass weight, through speed work as long as your doing it correctly. A good controlled negative a slight pause at the bottom and powering through all the way to lockouts gets me gassed even in sets of 3 at 60% 1rm.


    In my younger years when I thought bench was king Monday ways blow a gasket heavy and Thursday was high rep/speed/pauses. My bench is still by far my strong point size wise and strength.
    Certainly, your type 2 fibers respond to the explosiveness of the moves. Plus you are still trying to move as much weight as possible with in the speed parameters. All of the speed work I have read up on was move up in weight until you lose acceleration then work with that weight. However always trying to be able to move more weight in that rep speed. So there is always some adaptation needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Interesting that you use speed lifting. I thought that speed is only used to develop athletic "power" and not hypertrophy.
    It is. Strength is numero uno. Every other exercise after the main lift will help me grow though.

    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Do some paused benches or squats at the bottom of the rep. I swear you can feel the hypertophy and that's all been presented as powerlifting type work as well. My point being if it works for one style if lift why not the other. And to top it off... Power lifters are friggin huge....I seriously think the difference between pl and bb is cardio and diet.
    It's what you make it, but this. I hate cardio, have no interest in conditioning really, & don't have the discipline to diet hardcore for contest - I don't want to do any bodybuilding contests personally, ever. I just wanna lift heavy.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    It could be seen that way but think about this. Developing bar speed / explosiveness allows you to lift more when you go back to lifting heavier, lifting heavier weights perpetuates the progressive load required for hypertrophy. Kind of sheds some light on why it is really best to train most every type of training if you want the best results possible.

    I think also that a lot of powerlifters nowadays are body builders who specialize in strength. If you look at the weights and rep ranges on a lot of the accessory work it is often in what is considered the hypertrophy range. However heavy weight definitely makes the muscle fiber itself grow.
    This, for sure. All bodybuilders switch rep ranges, for this reason. Usually you lift heavy for a bit, build strength, then use it to go heavier in hypertrophic ranges, then add reps, then repeat when you need to get stronger. And you're exactly right - all the accessory work is to be done basically like a bodybuilder. The real difference is just an emphasis on what will directly help vs. create aesthetic superiority (i.e. doing 5 sets of weighted dips vs. 2 different tricep exercises that hit the muscle from a different angle, both options totaling say 75 reps). One approach is a little more business, the other will lead to better development slightly in the long haul.

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    You seem to go pretty heavy for speed work. Do you notice that it works better?
    Well, bar weight is usually 50% - but what people often forget is the bands & chains often make the total weight reach about 70%. I don't have access to this so I just do it heavier for now. It's inferior but it's what it is.

    Tonight was great. Felt very strong.

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    Nice strength on those rows man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Nice strength on those rows man!
    Thanks Kleen! I was stronger than usual on rows, and for the first time in a long time broke 10 widegrip pullups & went up to 4 plates/side on the HS row for more than 6 reps with my chest staying against the pad. The tbars were able to be much heavier with good form this time because I used a new close-grip d-handle instead of a wider handle. But I'll take it
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    The 1st wave of the return of Proto & the new Pro-Dbol....for $80 shipped. You jelly bro??
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    Got mine today 5 bottles dianadrol 6 bottles protobol
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    Hope they work like there suppose to on paper.. Or else you two shelled out a little chunk for bunk-ness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=90 366"/> The 1st wave of the return of Proto & the new Pro-Dbol....for $80 shipped. You jelly bro??
    Nice stash I almost got some..
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    Hope they work like there suppose to on paper.. Or else you two shelled out a little chunk for bunk-ness
    Celtic Mass was a new compound by them & everybody naysayed it....and then it worked. Pretty well it sounds. Was it superdrol? No, but we knew that before we tried it. And by all accounts it's as potent as compounds like DMZ - people were talking about atrophied nuts starting in after a week lol

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    Nice stash I almost got some..
    As long as they're not completely ineffective (people loved Protomax) it's useful - for $20, you can beef up any stack on the cheap. And if the dianadrol is any good the price will go up a good bit - at which point you can sell em if you don't wanna use em I figure

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    If you've never Zercher Squat, be careful. It can tear a bicep fast if you start to lose it & fight too far. And in case you're wondering, yes - it hurts your arms like hell. Even wrapped with my hoody, my arms have marks all over them. The trick is to tune out the pain & do NOT lean forward
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyga tyga View Post
    Hope they work like there suppose to on paper.. Or else you two shelled out a little chunk for bunk-ness
    Well protobol is a protodrol clone so we know that works
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post

    Celtic Mass was a new compound by them & everybody naysayed it....and then it worked. Pretty well it sounds. Was it superdrol? No, but we knew that before we tried it. And by all accounts it's as potent as compounds like DMZ - people were talking about atrophied nuts starting in after a week lol

    As long as they're not completely ineffective (people loved Protomax) it's useful - for $20, you can beef up any stack on the cheap. And if the dianadrol is any good the price will go up a good bit - at which point you can sell em if you don't wanna use em I figure

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    Zercher Squat 135x5, 185x3, 225x1, 275x1, 315x1 (PR's)
    Conventional Deadlift 135x8, 225x8, 315x8, 365x5, 405x7, 455x3
    Bbell Lunges 110x12, 12, 12
    Machine Legpress 3 sets of 12, 12, 15. Who cares on weight it goes to like 400 max lol

    If you've never Zercher Squat, be careful. It can tear a bicep fast if you start to lose it & fight too far. And in case you're wondering, yes - it hurts your arms like hell. Even wrapped with my hoody, my arms have marks all over them. The trick is to tune out the pain & do NOT lean forward
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    People are loving their trestobol
    That's what I've noticed. People seem to love Trest in all forms; it's just a bear controlling gyno with it. 12x as strong as testosterone, mg for mg, serves as a fantastic base, excellent libido & energy, sick vascularity, strength, & lean gains. Very powerful intravenously, & almost 50% as effective transdermally (that's very good) my supplier has touted to me. Basically acts like a blend of test & trenbolone it seems to me. And it's not banned or scheduled - you can buy bulk powder easily & prepare it however you want. It's just kindof pricey, and VERY suppressive.

    Anyway, today's an off-day - sold my vette for a ton of cash Went to the pumpkin farm & about to slice & dice this lil dude up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post

    That's what I've noticed. People seem to love Trest in all forms; it's just a bear controlling gyno with it. 12x as strong as testosterone, mg for mg, serves as a fantastic base, excellent libido & energy, sick vascularity, strength, & lean gains. Very powerful intravenously, & almost 50% as effective transdermally (that's very good) my supplier has touted to me. Basically acts like a blend of test & trenbolone it seems to me. And it's not banned or scheduled - you can buy bulk powder easily & prepare it however you want. It's just kindof pricey, and VERY suppressive.

    Anyway, today's an off-day - sold my vette for a ton of cash Went to the pumpkin farm & about to slice & dice this lil dude up!
    All that car money for supps.. Thats the way I see it!
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    Why did u sell your vet???
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcazo View Post
    Why did u sell your vet???
    Same reason(s) everyone sells a Vette. Reason one sheer stupidity-that's why I sold mine. Reason two. Mini can because the car did it's job too well and there's kids on the way.

    I know Hyde doesn't fit reason one. Congrats on being a daddy soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Same reason(s) everyone sells a Vette. Reason one sheer stupidity-that's why I sold mine. Reason two. Mini can because the car did it's job too well and there's kids on the way. I know Hyde doesn't fit reason one. Congrats on being a daddy soon.
    Lol!!! That's the reason I don't have a motorcycle anymore..
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    Congrats Hyde!
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    Congrats bro!!! Fatherhood is awesome
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    Lol you guys kill me. Honestly I don't take it out & cruise it or take to street races & stuff like I used to...as I've gotten more serious about the lifting lifestyle the last couple years I just haven't had the time/interest. Maybe it's growing up; maybe it's lack of time/money. Fast cars are so expensive, & considering how much I spend on sups & food it all adds up.

    My car was putting about 440-450 hp to the rear tires with the current tune & as much timing as we were running. 500hp in a 3200lb coupe gets up pretty quick, and you start to realize that the only way to go faster is a significant investment in a blower/turbo setup that's going to cost 10k by the time you get a new clutch, fuel system upgrades, & used parts - not counting labor. The motor was already built for it, but the rear likely wasn't gonna live under 750whp, so there's more money. And the tranny would be on borrowed time too, so there's another $2500 lol. Contemplating a career change anyway. There will be plenty of time for faster cars later. I'm not done forever
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    If I did buy another car though it's likely to be faster. Been looking at some turbo'd LS2 GTO's. FML....

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    A little Hyde hitting prs soon?? That's awesome man congrats. Fatherhood to me is the only thing better than a great day at the gym

    When I was young fast cars, or at least a cool car was high on my list of important things. It's crazy how those things change when you get older now all I care about is gas mileage. Just picked up a 1995 Geo Metro. It gets 40mpg, and has an awesome heater. I sound like my grandpa lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by niners4reggie View Post
    A little Hyde hitting prs soon?? That's awesome man congrats. Fatherhood to me is the only thing better than a great day at the gym

    When I was young fast cars, or at least a cool car was high on my list of important things. It's crazy how those things change when you get older now all I care about is gas mileage. Just picked up a 1995 Geo Metro. It gets 40mpg, and has an awesome heater. I sound like my grandpa lol
    I am NOT having a kid! Lmao they were joking about me selling the hotrod.

    But I can relate to the metro deal. Think I might buy a little honda or vw & sell my 03 accord couple. The v6 is peppy w/ the 6-spd, but it's only good for 25mpg & I don't love the car as much as my old 4 cylinder accord.

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    I totally fell for it. Makes sense though, that's why I sold mine lmao
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    Day 18


    Ended up being a lazy sunday off with friends. I think I'm getting lethargic. Needed more sleep all last wk, & this weekend slept a lot, had to nap some, & still tired. I'm exhausted now from resting & eating even, & thinking work is gonna be bad too. Can't wait to add the 4 Andro in Wednesday & get some Test in my veins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Ended up being a lazy sunday off with friends. I think I'm getting lethargic. Needed more sleep all last wk, & this weekend slept a lot, had to nap some, & still tired. I'm exhausted now from resting & eating even, & thinking work is gonna be bad too. Can't wait to add the 4 Andro in Wednesday & get some Test in my veins.
    The 4 andro should help with the lethargy....you'll be back in no time
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    Vette sounds like it was fun. I had a few muscle cars in my time, then a couple ricer toys. Now the wife and I are looking into getting a nice little sporty ride. She wants something sleek and convertible. I get to help pick but in reality the choice will end up being hers. Right now the front runner's are the Chrysler Crossfire, BMW Z4, and the Nissan 370Z. I have a feeling we will end up with the 370Z, which is cool. It's no vette but still fun. I told her since she said muscle cars are out of the question... (BOO!!!!) that whatever we got I could have it slightly tuned. See I am on the other end of the spectrum now. Most of my kids are raised, only have one left and she will be 10 soon. Don't need 2 4 door vehicles anymore, so we get to start looking at some more fun options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Vette sounds like it was fun. I had a few muscle cars in my time, then a couple ricer toys. Now the wife and I are looking into getting a nice little sporty ride. She wants something sleek and convertible. I get to help pick but in reality the choice will end up being hers. Right now the front runner's are the Chrysler Crossfire, BMW Z4, and the Nissan 370Z. I have a feeling we will end up with the 370Z, which is cool. It's no vette but still fun. I told her since she said muscle cars are out of the question... (BOO!!!!) that whatever we got I could have it slightly tuned. See I am on the other end of the spectrum now. Most of my kids are raised, only have one left and she will be 10 soon. Don't need 2 4 door vehicles anymore, so we get to start looking at some more fun options.
    370's are nasty. Stock for stock against a corvette it will fare well. Very fun to drive. This is experience talking.. . They handled better than my c3 body Vette but tech has come a long way with suspension. Straight line never stood a chance. Thank you 400+hp pre nitrous injection! I think the clear choice for you and the wife is Nissan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Vette sounds like it was fun. I had a few muscle cars in my time, then a couple ricer toys. Now the wife and I are looking into getting a nice little sporty ride. She wants something sleek and convertible. I get to help pick but in reality the choice will end up being hers. Right now the front runner's are the Chrysler Crossfire, BMW Z4, and the Nissan 370Z. I have a feeling we will end up with the 370Z, which is cool. It's no vette but still fun. I told her since she said muscle cars are out of the question... (BOO!!!!) that whatever we got I could have it slightly tuned. See I am on the other end of the spectrum now. Most of my kids are raised, only have one left and she will be 10 soon. Don't need 2 4 door vehicles anymore, so we get to start looking at some more fun options.
    I think it's funny that I've also thought it'd be fun to drive all of those cars at some point or another. I'm quirky tho. I love the high horsepower stuff & all, but I also just like stupid stuff. Like the new Fiat 500 Abarth editions. The little chub has like 170hp WITH the turbo & ricey exhaust lol

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    370's are nasty. Stock for stock against a corvette it will fare well. Very fun to drive. This is experience talking.. . They handled better than my c3 body Vette but tech has come a long way with suspension. Straight line never stood a chance. Thank you 400+hp pre nitrous injection! I think the clear choice for you and the wife is Nissan!
    Not a new C6 lol. It's the best overall performer of those 3 tho. Just be smart putting an exhaust on the Z - kid at the gym has a 350Z with just resonators and that thing sounds like a legitimate fartcan. And I like ricers a lot, & loud off-road pipes on faster cars, but boy this thing has an exhaust only a mother could love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    I think it's funny that I've also thought it'd be fun to drive all of those cars at some point or another. I'm quirky tho. I love the high horsepower stuff & all, but I also just like stupid stuff. Like the new Fiat 500 Abarth editions. The little chub has like 170hp WITH the turbo & ricey exhaust lol



    Not a new C6 lol. It's the best overall performer of those 3 tho. Just be smart putting an exhaust on the Z - kid at the gym has a 350Z with just resonators and that thing sounds like a legitimate fartcan. And I like ricers a lot, & loud off-road pipes on faster cars, but boy this thing has an exhaust only a mother could love.



    Why not now? Dead of winter is the time to buy muscle cars, boats, & bikes.
    Unfortunately it will take me a few years to have that kind of expendable income. Just out of college with a commission sales job. Trying to stay above water with rent and everything else until I can land some accounts. Then come the cigarette boats, muscle cars, dirt bikes, and dump truck loads of supplements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    I think it's funny that I've also thought it'd be fun to drive all of those cars at some point or another. I'm quirky tho. I love the high horsepower stuff & all, but I also just like stupid stuff. Like the new Fiat 500 Abarth editions. The little chub has like 170hp WITH the turbo & ricey exhaust lol Not a new C6 lol. It's the best overall performer of those 3 tho. Just be smart putting an exhaust on the Z - kid at the gym has a 350Z with just resonators and that thing sounds like a legitimate fartcan. And I like ricers a lot, & loud off-road pipes on faster cars, but boy this thing has an exhaust only a mother could love. Why not now? Dead of winter is the time to buy muscle cars, boats, & bikes.
    I was still thinking affordable range not the c6 or c7 bodies lmao.
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    I like those old cars and all, but I have some redneck in me an I would opt for a truck. The best truck that I have ever owned was an 87 dodge ram custom. That bad boy was a beast. And pristine. I totaled it while 'smoking' on my way home from my construction job when I was 17. Looking back, I should have kept what was left and I definitely could have rebuilt it by now.
    But, no worries. I will find one eventually.
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    Scion makes a sports car....is actually pretty sweet..

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Scion makes a sports car....is actually pretty sweet..

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
    I never look twice at a scion, but you are right, this one looks alright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    Scion makes a sports car....is actually pretty sweet..

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
    Do you own one or you just salivating?

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