Double Epistane Log - Should be interesting
- 11-08-2013, 08:48 PM
Good call. I'm gonna stop DAA for a few days and continue with just Clomid/Nolva and Lean Xtreme, and I'll let you guys know how I feel. It has absolutely ruined my ability to work out AND eat, which is really concerning to me because I really do not want to lose these gains. If I can narrow down what is making me sick in this log, hopefully it can be helpful to someone else
- 11-08-2013, 11:46 PM
- 11-09-2013, 12:15 AM
11-09-2013, 01:24 AM
11-09-2013, 09:19 AM
That being said, my fear has come upon me...I weighed this morning and I am 199 right now :-( That's like a 5-6 lb drop from where I started my PCT. That's what two days of barely being able to eat and not work out will do to you in PCT I guess. I'm hoping to get over this stomach thing today and I'm going to kick my training into overdrive for the next 3 weeks to get back as much of those gains as I can.
11-09-2013, 03:19 PM
That's a good chunk of weight you dropped.
But I would think that's primarily water weight. (especially taking into consideration your recent stomach issues)
Your weight may fluctuate a bit over the next few weeks.
Once you feel better, I'd give it another couple of days and see what's happening with your weight at that point.
You've only been off Epi for a few days so I wouldn't get too worried just yet.
11-09-2013, 04:02 PM
11-10-2013, 06:39 AM
Yea Dw bout it Aaron it's all a mental thing.... Even though you had dry gains you still added water in your muscles... One thing I noticed since I've lost 2 pounds so far is that when your on epistane you tend to look really hard as you gain... But as soon as you get into pct that rock hardness goes out the window... So started assuming I lost muscle... Not the case.... Losing muscle is very slow even if you're starved of protein... Another bonus you would like to hear is the theory of muscle memory... Whatever muscle you've lost that is not out of your genetic potential you will regain as fast as someone gains fat... Judging by your pics you are not near your potential... So those 6 pounds you lost even if it is muscle will comeback very fast once your hormones get back to normal.... So don't stress champ.. Check it out
11-10-2013, 11:31 AM
11-11-2013, 04:23 PM
Worked out pretty hard today which felt good, and I'm able to eat 3k calories yesterday which still isn't my goal but much better than 1500. Still can't sleep to save my life, and I need to order some of that ZMA stuff.
I have seen a pretty noticable drop off in strength the past two days. Yesterday I did an 8x3 of back squat with 300#, and it felt like 350#. It destroyed me and I'm crazy sore today, whereas two weeks ago I was throwing 330# around with ease and not getting sore. So that sucks. Today my bench felt quite a bit weaker as well. But I'm not sure how much of that is because I've been sick and low on food/sleep for 5 days now. The good thing is I weighed 200lb this morning, so hopefully I'm gaining some of that weight back. Doing everything I can right now to keep this weight on. Every time I eat I keep getting acid reflux and tasting my food again because of the poor digestion from the stomach issue that DAA caused. But its getting better. Joints are also hurting pretty bad. This PCT sucks dick right now lol
11-11-2013, 04:23 PM
11-12-2013, 11:59 PM
Yea keep it up... Strength will come and go... I was 90kg and now I'm 88kg I... Before cycle I cut down from 86 to 83 ... But I lost alot of fat... Then with cycle I went from 83 to 90 ... So I'm pretty happy with it... Quick question guys.... If I'm on nolvadex and say my testosterone gets back to normall say 2nd week what happens in the remainder 2 weeks... Does that mean inhale bonus testosterone?
11-13-2013, 12:00 AM
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11-19-2013, 03:58 PM
11-19-2013, 11:51 PM
12-04-2013, 05:46 PM
12-04-2013, 05:57 PM
I am pretty much done with PCT, other than still taking Erase for another week. I am weighing 197 now, which is about 7lbs down from where I was. Getting sick for those 3 weeks at the end of my cycle/first two weeks of PCT really screwed me over. I wasn't able to eat at all or workout, so I lost a ton of gains. I still am 4 solid pounds heavier than I was pre-cycle which is better than nothing. The best news though is that I kept most of my strength gains.
My Back Squat was 330 at the beginning, I maxed out at 375 during cycle, and then I maxed out again on Monday and I hit 365, but it was all I had. So I lost about 10 of those lbs but still added 35lbs to my back squat in 6 weeks which is phenomenal.
My bench is the same story. I hit 320 for 1 and 310 for 2 on cycle. I maxed out last week and was able to get 300 for 1 rep, but barely. But my 1RM still went up 25lbs so I'm stoked on that.
I've decided I'm going to do another cycle in January, and hopefully not get sick this time so I can keep more of my gains lol. All in all the cycle was an amazing experience and I can't wait to do it again.
12-25-2013, 12:44 AM
Alright I need some advice, see if I can get a consensus here.
I'm 99% certain I'm having symptoms of post cycle gyno. I didn't think that would be possible because I took every precaution, taking clomid, nolva and erase, but I have a lump directly under my nipple that feels different than the muscle tissue, and it slightly hurts to touch it sometimes. Also my nipple area looks a little more puffed than usual, and so I'm getting worried. I've read up a little bit online about using nolva (tamoxifen) to treat it. I read that within 36 months the tissue can be treated and reduced with medication. In your experience, does this work and how should I go about it? Would I go like 40/20/20/20 and then erase 0/0/3/2/2/1 again? I'm also sort of wondering if my Erase maybe isn't any good because it should have inhibited any estrogen from binding and getting post cycle gyno, but obviously it didn't...any advice you can give is much appreciated.
And merry christmas to all! lol
12-25-2013, 03:24 PM
12-25-2013, 04:07 PM
12-25-2013, 06:39 PM
12-25-2013, 06:43 PM
Nolva: 40/20/20/20 Raloxifene: 100/50/50/25 Exemstane: 0/0/3/2/2/1
Also, can you private message me a good site to get the ralo? The site I use for Clomid/nolva doesn't seem to have it
12-25-2013, 06:46 PM
12-25-2013, 06:50 PM
Letrozole is another option although its by very pleasant. Taper your dose from .5 up to 2.5mg, keep it there until the lump subsides then taper your dose down to .5 and then discontinue. I always recommend making the switch to a suicidal AI like exem before discontinuing just to negate possible rebound gyno.
12-25-2013, 06:54 PM
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12-25-2013, 07:45 PM
12-25-2013, 07:52 PM
12-28-2013, 01:46 PM
I got something similar going on but no lump my nips are puffy and kinda sore so I'm just running erase it might be prolactin related.
I posted about it here.
Inhibit-P + Epistane?
It blows because I was gonna start another epi run in 2 weeks guess I'll delay it.
12-28-2013, 04:58 PM
12-28-2013, 07:57 PM
Damn... sorry to hear, Aaron.
I hope you get it straightened out, dude.
It's stuff like this that makes me nervous about my cycle. (havent started yet)
In my mind, Aaron did it all perfectly and he still ended up with this problem.
12-28-2013, 08:11 PM
12-29-2013, 01:53 PM
12-29-2013, 08:46 PM
I'll keep you guys updated on how the anti-gyno treatment goes. I'll be following Luke's advice and running Raloxifene and Exemestane. If that doesn't work I'm gonna run letro, but I'm positive this should take care of it because what I have is very mild, mostly puffy sensitive nips, and I think I can feel a small lump forming.
For all you experts on here, do you think my rebound was due to taking Clomid&Nolva, which might have been too much suppression of my estrogen levels? I think I may try to just run 1 SERM next time...
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