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    Quote Originally Posted by absurd View Post
    1 gram is on the low side I'd go 3+ and go from there at least an hour before the gym helped. 4th day pct and woke up with red eyes could be from nolva. I'll keep you posted.
    Yikes...how much nolva are you taking? Was there any pain?

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    Week 2/Day 2 Workout-Chest/Tri

    Bench Press: 245x6, 265x4, 285x2, 205x12
    Incline Dumbbell Bench: 65x6, 80x6, 90x6
    Pause Push-ups: 3 sets of- 5 push-ups, 5 sec hold at bottom, 4 push-ups, 4 second hold, down to 1
    Superset 3 sets: Dips to failure, Tricep press down 120#


    Today was a great workout. Got my previous 1 RM bench press for 2 reps (285). Felt stronger than ever. Got a HUGE pump in my chest and triceps, and I don't take pre-workouts. My left Tricep almost cramped up because of the pump I had, so I rolled it out on a barbell until it released. I weighed 197 this morning, so that puts me up 4 lbs. I'm already looking fuller and leaner. I'll post a pic up later today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Yikes...how much nolva are you taking? Was there any pain?
    20mg no pain just irritated. Read that nolva can affect vision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post

    I have taurine on hand. When I need to start using it, do I take 1-3g like an hour before workout?
    Is taken at least 5g an hour before you hit the weights
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    10 days into cycle. 4 lbs up, feeling like I look a little more dry and lean. Digging the progress so far!
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    Not sure how I missed this.

    I plan to run an almost identical cycle to yours later in the winter.

    All the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    In. Not sure how I missed this. I plan to run an almost identical cycle to yours later in the winter. All the best.
    Sweet deal! Hopefully you'll be able to learn something from this log before you start yours
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    Week 2/Day 3 Workout- Deadlift/Back

    Session One
    Deadlift: 295x3, 335x3, 380x6, 335x7, 295x10
    Dumbbell Rows: 4x8 with 70# dumbbells
    Lat Pulldown: 4x8 with 175#, slow eccentric hold on each rep
    Back Fly's: 3x10 at 120#
    Partner Bicep curls on preacher curl machine. Partner resists concentic and eccentric. 3 sets of 5


    Session Two
    Metcon:
    40 Double unders
    30 KB Swing - 53#
    20 Burpees
    10 Clean and Jerk - 135#
    -Rest 3 minutes-
    20 Double Unders
    15 KB Swing - 53#
    10 Burpees
    5 Clean and Jerk - 135#
    Total time: 6:55


    Today's workout was great. Took 3g of Taurine just in case, and experienced no back pump at all. PR'd my deadlift on the 380x6. Felt strong. Did dumbbell rows with 70's instead of 60's and it still felt light. Had to make each rep a negative so I could feel it. Biceps got a HUGE pump from the partner curls, and it was all I could handle for Bi's today.

    As far as sides go, I've started to get bacne on my upper back. I am VERY prone to back acne though, as I've had it for years, pretty bad at some times. I've gone about 4 months now without it, but I knew it would come back once I started this cycle. Hope it clears up when I'm off tho. Scale said 197.2 this morning. Every single day my weight has gone up while I've been on cycle. So that's a good feeling.
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    Good news been on pct for nearly a week and strength went up last week I did 225 for close grip bench and this week I did 245 for the same amount of reps!!! 10 reps then went down to 6 reps for last set and killed it by benching 135 to failure.
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    Week 2/Workout 5 - Shoulders

    Overhead Press: 115x3, 130x3, 150x6, 130x9, 115x13
    Arnold Press: 60x6, 60x6, 60x7, 50x10
    Dumbbell Front Raises: 30x12, 30x12, 30x12
    Dumbbell Fly's: 25x8, 25x8, 25x8

    Metcon: 5 rounds for Time
    10 Dumbbell Snatch - 70 lb
    10 Chest-to-Bar pullups
    Time: 7:39


    Strength was unreal today. I've noticed moderate strength increases so far in my squat, deadlift and bench, but I've been seeing HUGE strength gains in my Overhead Press and Close Grip Bench. Today was the biggest yet. It was my 5x3 set today. 3 weeks ago, on my last three sets I got 145x3, 125x4, 110x7. As you can see, today I got 150x6, 130x9, and 115x13. That is a 1675 lb strength increase, which is ****ing ridiculous! That's like 3-6 months worth of a strength increase in just 1 week. I didn't expect the strength gains to be this good; I am ****ing LOVING it!

    Oh yea, and to top it off, I was up another solid pound today, 198.2. That's 5 lbs now in less than 2 weeks. Libido is shut down a little bit which I am fine with, bacne is barely noticable, and some lethargy, but a 5 hour energy takes care of that. This cycle could not be going any better so far, I am beyond stoked on these results!
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    Here is a chart from the website where I record my workouts. You can see the line go up for my past strength gains. That was the pace at which my strength was increasing....Then look at today. Like I said, that's about 3-6 months of progress at least that I gained in 1 session. ****ing incredible. This stuff works like magic lol
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    Week 2/Workout 6- Squat/Arms

    Squat: 6x5 - 265#
    Close Grip Bench: 170x3, 195x3, 230x7, 195x10, 170x15
    Barbell Curls 5x5 - 120#
    Weighted Ring Dips: 4x10 30#
    Hammer Curls 3x12 - 50#
    Isolated Curls: 3x10 40#
    Reverse Grip Pressdowns: 3x8 20#

    Metcon:
    42-30-18 KB Swings 45#
    21-15-9 Burpees
    6:22


    Squats were brutal today with the 6x5, but I'm holding up to the volume alright. Made another Huge PR on Close Grip Bench today. Previous best was 225x5, and today I got 230x7. Loving the strength gains. Bacne is gone now, lethargy is manageable, and my balls look fine. Weighed 198.8 today. Almost up another pound.
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    Sounds like episode treating you very well! I love the strength epi gives me! Any drying of the joints yet??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Sounds like episode treating you very well! I love the strength epi gives me! Any drying of the joints yet??
    ^^^ autocorrect fail lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Sounds like episode treating you very well! I love the strength epi gives me! Any drying of the joints yet??
    LOL.

    It's hard to tell because I'm not sure what dry joints feel like. My shoulders have been bothering me more than usual, but its not a "I just injured it" type of pain, so I assume it could be from some dry joints. But I'm taking lots of fish oil and animal flex so it's really hardly bothering me at all.
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    Solid strength and weight gains so far.

    Just be careful as the weights go up. Cuz your strength will be shooting up pretty quickly but your joints and tendons are behind the 8-ball, so to speak. (really focus on form and listen to your body)
    This is one of things I'll be really mindful when on cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    Solid strength and weight gains so far.

    Just be careful as the weights go up. Cuz your strength will be shooting up pretty quickly but your joints and tendons are behind the 8-ball, so to speak. (really focus on form and listen to your body)
    This is one of things I'll be really mindful when on cycle.
    Good advice. I felt my tendons aching particularly in my forearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doggy_dog View Post
    Solid strength and weight gains so far.

    Just be careful as the weights go up. Cuz your strength will be shooting up pretty quickly but your joints and tendons are behind the 8-ball, so to speak. (really focus on form and listen to your body)
    This is one of things I'll be really mindful when on cycle.
    Yes, very good advice indeed. Might have to back the weights down and up the reps a bit then. My knees, shoulders and elbows are all starting to ache a little more.... :-/
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    Week 3/Workout 1- Squat Day

    Session One
    Back Squat: 6x3 - 265
    Front Squat 5x5 - 175

    Metcon:
    21-15-9, wall balls and pullups. Time- 3:08
    15-9-6 Clean and Jerk 115#, One legged squats. Time- 5:50


    Session Two
    Hang Snatch Triple: 3x1 - 120#
    Snatch High Pull: 7x1 - 185#


    Man today was tough. Joints hurt, squats were really hard and I didn't feel strong at all. Got my first lower back pump this evening during my snatch session. Only good news is that I was up another pound today, 199.2. Hoping to see the magic 200 tomorrow. Feel very beat up today from all the volume. Gonna try and get 10 hours of sleep tonight...that will feel good
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    im on same sorta solo cycle epi @ 30/45/45/45/45... on 2 week now and probably put on 10 pounds so far and my puberty gyno disappeared which was awesome ... gl with the rest of cycle.. im subbed for it... Also apparently i heard HCGenerate is good on cycle, but i couldnt get my hands on it... Are you using anything Aaron on cycle to prevent nut shrinkage lol? i got no clomid only nolvadex/Reversitol and Activate Xtreme for Pct.. so really got nothing to combat it during cycle, so far its good but just a precaution
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    Week 3/Workout 2- Bench Day


    Incline Bench Press: 135x10, 155x8, 185x4, 215x2
    Bench Press: 195x12, 215x10, 235x8, 195x13
    Pyramid Pause Pushups: 3 sets of 5-4-3-2-1
    Dips: 3 sets to failure

    Metcon:
    Tabata - Barbell Thrusters and Double unders
    Total Score: 286


    Had a great chest workout today, felt a HUGE pump, and it looked like I had double D's Shoulders felt pretty dry and achy today, but was managable. Got a pretty gnarly back pump during my metcon just due to the front squats with 45 pounds. I'll definitely have to start taking taurine before those workouts. Still 199.2 today, hoping to see 200 in the morning.
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    Week 3/Day 3- Deadlift/Back

    Deadlift: 315x5, 365x3, 405x5, 365x3, 315x5
    Dumbbell Bent over Row: 4x8 with 75#
    Lat pull down: 4x6 with 190#
    Hip Extensions with 35# plate: 3x6
    Strict pullups: 3xME

    Metcon:
    30 Power cleans - 135#
    Kettlebell Snatch - 53#
    Burpees
    Time- 6:45


    Strength was awesome today. I made a HUGE PR on my Deadlift, pulling 405 for 5 reps. Puts my potential 1RM around 465 which would be about a 20# jump. Been going up 5# each week on the dumbbell rows but 75# felt crazy light today. I'll go with 85# next time. Took 5g Taurine before I worked out and back pumps were not an issue thankfully. Still have to take a 5 hour energy beforehand to combat the lethargy. Still 199.2 today, haven't gone up in weight for 3 days. Hope that changes tomorrow.
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    Ok guys, need some advice now. I was down a pound this morning after 3 days of not gaining. I'm back to 198.4 upon waking up. The strange thing is last night before I went to bed, I took a piss and weighed myself and I was 204. This morning I woke up and took a piss and I'm 198. How is it possible to lose 6 pounds overnight? lol

    Anyways, I am wondering if the halt in weight gain is due to me switching from Epi-10 to Epi-150? I've heard that it doesn't matter at all, but I'm wondering if any of you have discovered otherwise. I switched because I wanted to do 30/30/30/40/45/45, but Epi-10 is 10mg pills and Epi-150 is 15mg pills. So in order to save enough Epi-10 pills for my week at 40mg, I switched over to taking two Epi-150 pills this week. But since I've taken them I haven't gained any weight, even though the ingredient profile's look very similar.

    Anyways, I'm bumping it up to 40 today and will continue at 40 through the next week. I want to get the most out of this cycle so I'm not going to waste any more time at 30mg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Ok guys, need some advice now. I was down a pound this morning after 3 days of not gaining. I'm back to 198.4 upon waking up. The strange thing is last night before I went to bed, I took a piss and weighed myself and I was 204. This morning I woke up and took a piss and I'm 198. How is it possible to lose 6 pounds overnight? lol

    Anyways, I am wondering if the halt in weight gain is due to me switching from Epi-10 to Epi-150? I've heard that it doesn't matter at all, but I'm wondering if any of you have discovered otherwise. I switched because I wanted to do 30/30/30/40/45/45, but Epi-10 is 10mg pills and Epi-150 is 15mg pills. So in order to save enough Epi-10 pills for my week at 40mg, I switched over to taking two Epi-150 pills this week. But since I've taken them I haven't gained any weight, even though the ingredient profile's look very similar.

    Anyways, I'm bumping it up to 40 today and will continue at 40 through the next week. I want to get the most out of this cycle so I'm not going to waste any more time at 30mg
    It really shouldn't matter what brand of Epi your using, if your not gaining your not eating enough, try increasing calories by 250 a day for a few days, if your still not gaining add in another 250 etc etc until the point where you start to gain again.
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    Week 3/Workout 5 - Overhead Press/Shoulders

    Overhead Press: 125x5, 140x3, 155x5, 140x6, 125x10
    Arnold Press: 60x6, 60x6, 60x6, 50x10
    Vertical Barbell Press: Burn out set for each arm. Five 10# weights, 10 reps, take 1 plate off, etc
    Side Dumbbell Raises: 3 sets of 25x8

    Metcon:
    10 Minute AMRAP
    6 burpees
    12 box jumps - 24inches
    18 Kettlebell swing - 50#
    6 rounds + 2 burpees


    Well the good thing about today was another Huge PR on Overhead Press. 1 month ago today, I literally got 1 Overhead press at 150#. Today I got 5x155. I also got 135x4 a month ago, and 140x6 today. 6x120 a month ago, and 10x125 today. So some gigantic strength increases there. However my joints have been hurting. My hips, knees, and shoulders feel very dry and painful. I've been at 40mg the past two days, so the dry joints are only going to get worse. I think I'll bump my fish oil up and see if that helps. Also finally weighed 200lbs this morning, so that felt great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Week 3/Workout 5 - Overhead Press/Shoulders

    Overhead Press: 125x5, 140x3, 155x5, 140x6, 125x10
    Arnold Press: 60x6, 60x6, 60x6, 50x10
    Vertical Barbell Press: Burn out set for each arm. Five 10# weights, 10 reps, take 1 plate off, etc
    Side Dumbbell Raises: 3 sets of 25x8

    Metcon:
    10 Minute AMRAP
    6 burpees
    12 box jumps - 24inches
    18 Kettlebell swing - 50#
    6 rounds + 2 burpees


    Well the good thing about today was another Huge PR on Overhead Press. 1 month ago today, I literally got 1 Overhead press at 150#. Today I got 5x155. I also got 135x4 a month ago, and 140x6 today. 6x120 a month ago, and 10x125 today. So some gigantic strength increases there. However my joints have been hurting. My hips, knees, and shoulders feel very dry and painful. I've been at 40mg the past two days, so the dry joints are only going to get worse. I think I'll bump my fish oil up and see if that helps. Also finally weighed 200lbs this morning, so that felt great.
    Fish oil, cissus quadrangularis and a joint supp, something like Achilles. Dry joints suck balls man.
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    as of now im taking 15 of my super high quality (and expensive) fish oil pills a day, and animal flex every day. should I order some cissus? and if so, what brand would you recommend?
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    Week 3/Workout 6- Squat/Arms

    Back Squat: 6x6 - 265#
    Close Grip Bench: 185x5, 210x3, 240x7, 210x10, 185x12
    Standing Barbell Curl: 95x5, 105x5, 110x5, 115x5, 115x5
    Tricep Press Downs: 5 sets of 8-10 reps, heavy as possible
    Standing Bicep curls: 5 sets of 12 with 50# dumbbells


    The 6x6 on back squat was brutal. I didn't know if I would make it through the last few sets. Huge PR on close grip bench. A month ago I pressed 225x5, and today I did 240x7. In total it was a 2000lb total weight lifted increase. Still dealing with some bad aches and pains in my joints. Might order something else soon to add to my joint supplement support. Libido is very shut down, but so far the cajones don't look much smaller, which is nice. Getting some deep systic acne in the upper back though which makes back squatting very painful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    as of now im taking 15 of my super high quality (and expensive) fish oil pills a day, and animal flex every day. should I order some cissus? and if so, what brand would you recommend?
    IForce Joint Help or Antaeus Achilles works for me. Add glucosamine for joint rebuild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Week 3/Workout 6- Squat/Arms

    Back Squat: 6x6 - 265#
    Close Grip Bench: 185x5, 210x3, 240x7, 210x10, 185x12
    Standing Barbell Curl: 95x5, 105x5, 110x5, 115x5, 115x5
    Tricep Press Downs: 5 sets of 8-10 reps, heavy as possible
    Standing Bicep curls: 5 sets of 12 with 50# dumbbells


    The 6x6 on back squat was brutal. I didn't know if I would make it through the last few sets. Huge PR on close grip bench. A month ago I pressed 225x5, and today I did 240x7. In total it was a 2000lb total weight lifted increase. Still dealing with some bad aches and pains in my joints. Might order something else soon to add to my joint supplement support. Libido is very shut down, but so far the cajones don't look much smaller, which is nice. Getting some deep systic acne in the upper back though which makes back squatting very painful.
    Just goes to show how epistane affects everybody differently. I didn't get shut down till weeks 5-6 and now on pct week 2 is done and I'm totally shut down and hopefully will bounce back in next couple weeks. Strength is down a bit but I did drink alcohol a couple times last week so maybe that's why? I also got a weird rash on my shoulder it looks like a burn and hurts looks like psoriasis hopefully its not a side effect of nolva and just something minor. Acne has been getting worse for me on pct my whole upper back is covered. Were your standing bicep curls normal curls or hammer? That's a good amount of weight to be doing for strict form I don't know how much I can do but I usually use ez curl bar with 25# on each side and bar is probably 25# as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by absurd View Post
    Just goes to show how epistane affects everybody differently. I didn't get shut down till weeks 5-6 and now on pct week 2 is done and I'm totally shut down and hopefully will bounce back in next couple weeks. Strength is down a bit but I did drink alcohol a couple times last week so maybe that's why? I also got a weird rash on my shoulder it looks like a burn and hurts looks like psoriasis hopefully its not a side effect of nolva and just something minor. Acne has been getting worse for me on pct my whole upper back is covered. Were your standing bicep curls normal curls or hammer? That's a good amount of weight to be doing for strict form I don't know how much I can do but I usually use ez curl bar with 25# on each side and bar is probably 25# as well.
    Wow man that sounds haggard. My bacne is starting to get worse. I'm hoping it doesn't blow up more during PCT like it did for you. As for the curls, they are standing barbell curls. Also known as "cheater curls" that Arnold was famous for doing a lot in his glory days. You can lean back a little bit on the last few reps in order to get the weight up, so you can do more than on a preacher curl. Currently waiting for my cissus to get here cuz my joints are aching pretty bad. Shoulders and knees are the worst for sure
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    Yea im still pretty shut down on it aswell... but woke up this morning with some wood so i was really happy ahahha... i think my shoulders are starting to take a hit joint wise.. but i also notice my chest looks much more developed... i think ive added 15pounds so far with 2 weeks to go... Aaron do you notice the back pump stays with ya when you sit down in general? i was on train yesterday for hr trip and it literally killed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Wow man that sounds haggard. My bacne is starting to get worse. I'm hoping it doesn't blow up more during PCT like it did for you. As for the curls, they are standing barbell curls. Also known as "cheater curls" that Arnold was famous for doing a lot in his glory days. You can lean back a little bit on the last few reps in order to get the weight up, so you can do more than on a preacher curl. Currently waiting for my cissus to get here cuz my joints are aching pretty bad. Shoulders and knees are the worst for sure
    My buddy recommended going tanning because clears out your pores I tried that and it seems to be helping once a week @ $5 isn't bad. My stretchmarks also got way worse during cycle since I packed on so much weight but oh well battle scars lol. I'm kinda pissed because I had a test and research paper so I only had one meal and protein shake all day yesterday and my weight was 212.5 at the beginning of the week now its 208. My right knee is killing me still even in pct I'm taking cissus and fish oil and still not helping and I can't do any squats or leg press movements no lunges either sucks big time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaz123 View Post
    Yea im still pretty shut down on it aswell... but woke up this morning with some wood so i was really happy ahahha... i think my shoulders are starting to take a hit joint wise.. but i also notice my chest looks much more developed... i think ive added 15pounds so far with 2 weeks to go... Aaron do you notice the back pump stays with ya when you sit down in general? i was on train yesterday for hr trip and it literally killed
    No, I don't have any back pumps from sitting down. That's very strange. I haven't had ANY problems with back pumps so far. I take Taurine before any kind of squatting or pulling, and I haven't experienced one bad bback pump yet. I wonder if the train was vibrating your seat alot from the bumpy ride and causing the back pump?

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    My buddy recommended going tanning because clears out your pores I tried that and it seems to be helping once a week @ $5 isn't bad. My stretchmarks also got way worse during cycle since I packed on so much weight but oh well battle scars lol. I'm kinda pissed because I had a test and research paper so I only had one meal and protein shake all day yesterday and my weight was 212.5 at the beginning of the week now its 208. My right knee is killing me still even in pct I'm taking cissus and fish oil and still not helping and I can't do any squats or leg press movements no lunges either sucks big time.
    That's horrible man, I'm sorry to hear that. If your knee is hurting despite all your joint supplements, it could be a muscular issue. Your quads could be extremely tight and mashed up from all the leg work, and putting a lot of stress on your knee joint. Try foam rolling 2x a day through the rest of your cycle. My knees hurt constantly if I don't roll out every day. But when I do, I experience no knee pain at all. it works miracles.
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    Week 4/Workout 4 - Shoulders

    Overhead Press: 110x5, 125x5, 145x10, 125x11, 110x15
    Push Press: 135x3, 155x3, 165x3, 175x3, 185x3
    Front Raises: 25x12 3 sets
    Side Raises: 20x6 3 sets
    Vertical Barbell Single arm shoulder press: 1 burnout set with 5 10# plates on, max reps per plate


    Another huge PR on Overhead Press, which I've been loving. It was an 820# PR even over my last 5x5 week 3 weeks ago when I was on my first week of the cycle. Great pump, great workout. Like I said earlier, no back pumps yet, Taurine is working fine. I'm dying for my cissus to arrive on Monday for my poor aching joints. Bacne is not that bad though, only a few breakouts. Weight is up to 202 in the morning. I'm close to the 10lb mark. Hoping to get to 208 or so, and end up at 205 after PCT.
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    I'm taking 3g of taurine before workout that might be why... I think 5g is what everyone takes... Starting to get crazy joint pain on shoulders but cisssus still working, lol you'll be heaps happy once you get your hands on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Week 4/Workout 4 - Shoulders

    Overhead Press: 110x5, 125x5, 145x10, 125x11, 110x15
    Push Press: 135x3, 155x3, 165x3, 175x3, 185x3
    Front Raises: 25x12 3 sets
    Side Raises: 20x6 3 sets
    Vertical Barbell Single arm shoulder press: 1 burnout set with 5 10# plates on, max reps per plate


    Another huge PR on Overhead Press, which I've been loving. It was an 820# PR even over my last 5x5 week 3 weeks ago when I was on my first week of the cycle. Great pump, great workout. Like I said earlier, no back pumps yet, Taurine is working fine. I'm dying for my cissus to arrive on Monday for my poor aching joints. Bacne is not that bad though, only a few breakouts. Weight is up to 202 in the morning. I'm close to the 10lb mark. Hoping to get to 208 or so, and end up at 205 after PCT.
    Tanking it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdaz123 View Post
    I'm taking 3g of taurine before workout that might be why... I think 5g is what everyone takes... Starting to get crazy joint pain on shoulders but cisssus still working, lol you'll be heaps happy once you get your hands on it
    I know, I'm dying to get my hands on it. I back squatted 4x4 at 300# today and I was actually shocked at how easy it felt. I was going ATG and standing it up pretty easy. But the downside is that my knees were KILLING me. I almost quit after the 3rd set. So I'm not gonna squat again until I get my cissus in
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron330 View Post
    Week 4/Workout 4 - Shoulders

    Overhead Press: 110x5, 125x5, 145x10, 125x11, 110x15
    Push Press: 135x3, 155x3, 165x3, 175x3, 185x3
    Front Raises: 25x12 3 sets
    Side Raises: 20x6 3 sets
    Vertical Barbell Single arm shoulder press: 1 burnout set with 5 10# plates on, max reps per plate

    Another huge PR on Overhead Press, which I've been loving. It was an 820# PR even over my last 5x5 week 3 weeks ago when I was on my first week of the cycle. Great pump, great workout. Like I said earlier, no back pumps yet, Taurine is working fine. I'm dying for my cissus to arrive on Monday for my poor aching joints. Bacne is not that bad though, only a few breakouts. Weight is up to 202 in the morning. I'm close to the 10lb mark. Hoping to get to 208 or so, and end up at 205 after PCT.
    No rear delt work on shoulder day??!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    No rear delt work on shoulder day??!!
    Haha I wondered if somebody was going to ask that. No I don't do any rear delt because I work them really good on back days. I do a lot of rowing and reverse flies. They are always sore after back day so I feel no need to work them again
  

  
 

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