Double Epistane Log - Should be interesting

[Aaron330]

That's a very backwards way to look at it. Serms like tamoxifen or raloxifene fight breast tissue growth in men but you have to have breast tissue growth in the first place. I would rather prevent it in the first place rather than try to combat it once its already started.

Yea, I wish this **** wasn't so confusing. Either way, I'm going to run Erase AND nolva with the clomid, so I should be safe from rebound gyno anyway. Should I wait 1 week or 2 weeks into my PCT to start running the Erase?

[Aaron330]

Workout Day 1 - Squat

Session One:

Back Squat: 6x2 - 265#

5 sec Pause Squats: 3x5 - 205#

Bulgarian Split Squats: 3x5 - 50 lb dumbbells

Front Squat: 5x5 - 170#

Session Two:

EMOM (every minute on the minute) for 12 minutes: 1 Hang snatch, 1 power snatch, 1 Overhead Squat - 115#



Today was my first workout on cycle, 2nd day on Epi. Not feeling much of anything yet of course, but I felt like I should crank up the volume today just to see how well I recover. Won't squat again until Thursday, so I freaking squatted myself into a hole this morning. Almost had to crawl out of my garage and back into the house lol. I felt like I was handling the volume really well until the last few sets of the 5x5 and the exhaustion hit me hard. Took a nap before work and could hardly stand up out of bed. I just finished training my first client today and have a 3 hour gap between, so I did my snatch work.

It was brutal.

My legs were extremely weak and I just had no power from the floor. Felt like snatching with 145#. But its more about technique work with snatching so I got it done.

I hope my next clients don't mind me coaching them from a bench lol. Won't be able to stand much for the rest of the day. I'll make sure and get 4.5k calories to help with recovery. Only change I've seen so far is the added mental toughness to grind through a high volume day like this, just from knowing that I'm on cycle. Loving it so far!

[absurd]

Yea, I wish this **** wasn't so confusing. Either way, I'm going to run Erase AND nolva with the clomid, so I should be safe from rebound gyno anyway. Should I wait 1 week or 2 weeks into my PCT to start running the Erase?

People are saying 2nd or even 3rd week I'm going to hold off as long as possible with the AI if I get itchy/sensitive nips I'm taking erase if not I'm not taking it at all.

[Lukef2000]

Yea, I wish this **** wasn't so confusing. Either way, I'm going to run Erase AND nolva with the clomid, so I should be safe from rebound gyno anyway. Should I wait 1 week or 2 weeks into my PCT to start running the Erase?

Yeah man it's very confusing, I've been around this game for a few years now and I still learn shït all the time. I'd start it week two and run it past your serm for two weeks.

[absurd]

Here's an interesting read on AI and prohormones.

Anti-Estrogens, AIs and Prohormone/Designer Steroid Cycles

[Aaron330]

Workout Day 2 - Chest/Triceps

Session One:
12 Minute AMRAP (as many rounds as possible)
14 Kettlebell swings - 53#
7 burpee box jump overs - 20 inch box
7 rounds +14 KB swings+ 1 burpee box jump

Session Two:
Bench Press Lower 1/2 reps: 185x10, 205x10, 215x10
Bench Press Upper 1/2 reps: 185x10, 205x10, 215x10
Incline Bench Press: 135x10, 155x8, 155x8

Tricep Press-Down: 12x70, 10x80, 8x90, 6x100, 6x100
Ring Dips: 3 max sets
Close Grip Pushups: 3 max sets
Wide Grip Pushups: 3 max sets

Felt good today, held up to the volume really well. I did get extremely tired in the middle of the day and took a 2 hour nap. Is that what lethargy feels like, or was I just tired? lol. Not sure if lethargy is actually feeling sleepy or just not having the drive/desire to lift?

Anyway, got a HUGE abnormal pump in my chest and triceps, not sure if it was just cuz I hit it well today, or if the Epi contributed to it, but it felt good. No sides or anything at all to comment on thus far. We'll see what the scale says tomorrow morning.

[absurd]

That would be lethargy but I don't think it would be hitting you this fast. I didn't have lethargy thankfully. This 6th week for me is shutting me down b-a-d I got no sex drive which is ok since I'm single lol but trying to go out with this girl is driving me nuts so I'd say psychological effects are amplified on the cycle. Can't wait to start pct.

[Aaron330]

Wow dude that's horrible...sorry to hear that. Hopefully your libido will come screaming back as soon as you start PCT.

Remind me again, what cycle are you on? And how have your gains been coming on cycle?

[absurd]

Epistane 30/30/30/40/40/50. It's my first cycle ever too lol go big or go home imo 4 weeks is too short run 5 weeks at least. I started at 198 and now I'm a solid 215 I'm trying to pack on a few more pounds as well. I'm not tracking my macros too much but high protein, high carb, medium fat diet.

[Aaron330]

Epistane 30/30/30/40/40/50. It's my first cycle ever too lol go big or go home imo 4 weeks is too short run 5 weeks at least. I started at 198 and now I'm a solid 215 I'm trying to pack on a few more pounds as well. I'm not tracking my macros too much but high protein, high carb, medium fat diet.

Wow that sounds Awesome man! I sure hope I can make some gains like that. How's ur strength gains.

That's actually exactly what I'm looking to do now as well. Except I'm gonna go 30/30/30/40/45/45.

To be honest I'm looking forward to the libido crash. I need a break from having a raging sex drive 24/7. Lol

[absurd]

Wow that sounds Awesome man! I sure hope I can make some gains like that. How's ur strength gains.

That's actually exactly what I'm looking to do now as well. Except I'm gonna go 30/30/30/40/45/45.

To be honest I'm looking forward to the libido crash. I need a break from having a raging sex drive 24/7. Lol

Strength is up a lot. Before cycle close grip bench was 185x12 and 225x5 now it's 225x12, 245x7, 275x3. I've been hitting back hard too lat pull down was my weakness I was only doing 155 or so for 10 reps now I'm doing 195 for 10+ reps and 200+ for 6-8 reps. DB shoulder press is my favorite I went from 70s for 6 reps to 80s for 10 reps and this week I hope I can hit 85s for around the same. I can probably do 90s for 6 reps so 20lb. increase per arm!!! Leg strength is up too for calf raises, hack squats, and lunges. I just hope not to lose much during pct.

[Aaron330]

Strength is up a lot. Before cycle close grip bench was 185x12 and 225x5 now it's 225x12, 245x7, 275x3. I've been hitting back hard too lat pull down was my weakness I was only doing 155 or so for 10 reps now I'm doing 195 for 10+ reps and 200+ for 6-8 reps. DB shoulder press is my favorite I went from 70s for 6 reps to 80s for 10 reps and this week I hope I can hit 85s for around the same. I can probably do 90s for 6 reps so 20lb. increase per arm!!! Leg strength is up too for calf raises, hack squats, and lunges. I just hope not to lose much during pct.

That sounds amazing, I can't wait to see my lifts start going up like that. How long did it take until you started seeing weight gain/strength gain/sides start happening?

[absurd]

It was probably by the 2nd week that all my lifts were going up and each week after that up and up lol.

[Lukef2000]

Here's an interesting read on AI and prohormones.

Anti-Estrogens, AIs and Prohormone/Designer Steroid Cycles

That's simply one guys opinion, nothing more. Has has some valid points but some if his ideas are very left field.

[Aaron330]

That's simply one guys opinion, nothing more. Has has some valid points but some if his ideas are very left field.

Which ones particularly?

[Aaron330]

Workout Day 3- Deadlift/Back

Deadlift: 275x5, 315x5, 360x7, 315x8, 275x10
Dumbbell Row: 4x8 - 65#
Lat Pull Down: 5x8 - 175# plus a drop set
Reverse Flies 4x8 at 110#

Workout was great, got a good pump, but man I feel tired today. Was starting to feel sleepy between deadlift sets. Fought through it, but now I'm sitting back in my office and trying to stay awake. It may just be because I didn't get good sleep last night...but I hope this doesn't continue throughout the whole cycle.

No weight gain or noticeable strength gains as of yet. Only my 4th day on though.

[supersaiyan92]

Just some heads up.

I ran Epi for 5 weeks 20/30/30/20/20 and was using cycle assist. Had to cut back down to 20 mg a day cuz of the constant headache I was having all day everyday from the 2nd week on because I didn't kno about the high blood pressure side effect...so some advice if I were u I would also use Hawthorn Berry to avoid tht cuz it sucked having a headache during workouts.

Other thn that I didn't experience shut down or major lathargy, just couldn't deadlift during the whole cycle cuz of the back pumps were unbearable

[supersaiyan92]

I loved the gains I got from it tho...started noticing I waz ALOT Fuller the 2nd week and crazy veins everywhere.

I went from 192 lbs to 214 in 5 weeks. then after PCT I stayed at 206 lbs

[Aaron330]

Just some heads up. I ran Epi for 5 weeks 20/30/30/20/20 and was using cycle assist. Had to cut back down to 20 mg a day cuz of the constant headache I was having all day everyday from the 2nd week on because I didn't kno about the high blood pressure side effect...so some advice if I were u I would also use Hawthorn Berry to avoid tht cuz it sucked having a headache during workouts. Other thn that I didn't experience shut down or major lathargy, just couldn't deadlift during the whole cycle cuz of the back pumps were unbearable

Interesting...that's good to know man, thanks for the heads up. Everybody is different so hopefully that won't happen for me. But I am taking cycle assist as well which has Hawthorne berry in it, should I take more?

Also have Taurine on hand in case I get back pumps. Not dead lifting is not an option for me as I'm looking to up my strength gains big time on this cycle.

[Aaron330]

I loved the gains I got from it tho...started noticing I waz ALOT Fuller the 2nd week and crazy veins everywhere. I went from 192 lbs to 214 in 5 weeks. then after PCT I stayed at 206 lbs

Holy **** that sounds awesome. I fully hope and expect to get gains similar to that. Ready for this **** to really kick in already!!