Double Epistane Log - Should be interesting

[Lukef2000]

Which ones particularly?

The idea of not using an AI during pct is very odd. Especially with compounds like epi which has an effect on estrogen in the body, once epi is no longer blocking estrogen at its receptors there is a substantial chance you will get rebound gyno. You need to control estrogen once compounds are discontinued. Not to mention when your bodies trying to restart its own test production you not want ANY of it to convert to estrogen. While you don't need anything as strong as exemstane or letrozole, erase fits in here perfectly.

[Aaron330]

The idea of not using an AI during pct is very odd. Especially with compounds like epi which has an effect on estrogen in the body, once epi is no longer blocking estrogen at its receptors there is a substantial chance you will get rebound gyno. You need to control estrogen once compounds are discontinued. Not to mention when your bodies trying to restart its own test production you not want ANY of it to convert to estrogen. While you don't need anything as strong as exemstane or letrozole, erase fits in here perfectly.

Well that's good to know, because I plan to run erase in my PCT. Do you think it's a good idea to wait 2 weeks into it and then run it 3/2/1/1? I've read to wait two weeks to let your natural test start to come back before you start killing off the estrogen

[supersaiyan92]

yeah I guess thts a rare side effect but it did happen to me nd it absolutely sucked...it's better to b safe thn sorry besides they r only like $5 at Walmart

yeah I guess my body did respond real good to it considering I waz only using low dosages nd I waz eating like a horse the whole cycle trying to get the most out of it

1 question tht I couldn't find the answer to tho...how r u taking ur doses?...all at once or throughout the day?

[Lukef2000]

Well that's good to know, because I plan to run erase in my PCT. Do you think it's a good idea to wait 2 weeks into it and then run it 3/2/1/1? I've read to wait two weeks to let your natural test start to come back before you start killing off the estrogen

Yeah I'd wait a couple week before starting the erase but I'd taper it the other way 1/1/2/2/3 as the more test you create the more AI you'll need.
Oh and just FYI in that article he also states that your "serm" will protect you from gyno which is also incorrect, he implies that all serms will do this when only nolva and raloxifene have an effect on breast tissue growth, clomid and toremifene have absolutely no effect on this whatsoever.

[Aaron330]

Yeah I'd wait a couple week before starting the erase but I'd taper it the other way 1/1/2/2/3 as the more test you create the more AI you'll need. Oh and just FYI in that article he also states that your "serm" will protect you from gyno which is also incorrect, he implies that all serms will do this when only nolva and raloxifene have an effect on breast tissue growth, clomid and toremifene have absolutely no effect on this whatsoever.

Wow, really? I've never seen anyone say to taper it like that. Wouldn't that put me at risk for rebound gyno also because once I go from 3 to 0 it would shock my body into producing more estrogen again? Not sure if it works like that but just what I'm fearing. Maybe I could do 1/2/3/2/1

As for the SERMs and gyno issue, I did think that was off too. That's why I'll be taking Clomid and nolva.

Btw, just weighed myself upon waking up, and I'm 195.2 today...up 2.2 lbs :-)

[absurd]

0/0/3/2/1/1

I would start 3rd week.

[Lukef2000]

Wow, really? I've never seen anyone say to taper it like that. Wouldn't that put me at risk for rebound gyno also because once I go from 3 to 0 it would shock my body into producing more estrogen again? Not sure if it works like that but just what I'm fearing. Maybe I could do 1/2/3/2/1

As for the SERMs and gyno issue, I did think that was off too. That's why I'll be taking Clomid and nolva.

Btw, just weighed myself upon waking up, and I'm 195.2 today...up 2.2 lbs :-)

You shouldn't have to worry about rebound gyno since erase is a suicidal inhibitor. Just be sure to run the erase past your serm by a couple weeks so something like 0/0/1/2/3/2 or something along those lines.

[Aaron330]

You shouldn't have to worry about rebound gyno since erase is a suicidal inhibitor. Just be sure to run the erase past your serm by a couple weeks so something like 0/0/1/2/3/2 or something along those lines.

Perfect. That's exactly what I'll do. Thanks for the advice on this man.

[Aaron330]

yeah I guess thts a rare side effect but it did happen to me nd it absolutely sucked...it's better to b safe thn sorry besides they r only like $5 at Walmart

yeah I guess my body did respond real good to it considering I waz only using low dosages nd I waz eating like a horse the whole cycle trying to get the most out of it

1 question tht I couldn't find the answer to tho...how r u taking ur doses?...all at once or throughout the day?

That's funny, I was actually going to ask you the same thing. A lot of people say to take most of you dosage an hour before workout, then take the remaining dosage a few hours after. So that's what I've been doing. Two pills pre-workout, 1 pill around 4 hours later. I've also heard some guys say to spread it out evenly, each pill about 4 hours apart so you get a steady flow of it throughout the day, but I don't know how much of a difference that would make.

How did you dose yours? Whatever you did seemed to work lol

[Aaron330]

Day 4 - Light Day

Back Squat 6x2 - 265#

Metcon: 3 rounds for time of
10 Handstand Pushups
20 Wall balls, 12lb ball, 15 foot target
50 double unders
10 burpees
10:51

Scale showed 195.2 this morning after waking up. That's a 2.2 lb gain since I started the cycle. Definitely not noticing any real strength gains yet but it feels amazing to see that scale going up again. Feeling tired again today tho...I think this could be an issue throughout the cycle. We'll see. Libido still through the roof, no issues there yet.

[Lukef2000]

Day 4 - Light Day

Back Squat 6x2 - 265#

Metcon: 3 rounds for time of
10 Handstand Pushups
20 Wall balls, 12lb ball, 15 foot target
50 double unders
10 burpees
10:51

Scale showed 195.2 this morning after waking up. That's a 2.2 lb gain since I started the cycle. Definitely not noticing any real strength gains yet but it feels amazing to see that scale going up again. Feeling tired again today tho...I think this could be an issue throughout the cycle. We'll see. Libido still through the roof, no issues there yet.

You'll definitely notice some weight gain in the first week of any cycle as your muscles soak up a lot more glycogen than usual. Usually to combat lethargy you can throw in stano or a test base like ment.

[supersaiyan92]

That's funny, I was actually going to ask you the same thing. A lot of people say to take most of you dosage an hour before workout, then take the remaining dosage a few hours after. So that's what I've been doing. Two pills pre-workout, 1 pill around 4 hours later. I've also heard some guys say to spread it out evenly, each pill about 4 hours apart so you get a steady flow of it throughout the day, but I don't know how much of a difference that would make.

How did you dose yours? Whatever you did seemed to work lol

I did the exact same thing as u...one pill like 1 hr before my workout then another 1 like 5 hrs later cuz it has an active like of 4-6 hrs If I remember correctly.

[supersaiyan92]

I meant active "life" of 4-6 hrs

[drewsicle3210]

In.. Good log so far. Epi is interesting

[Aaron330]

In.. Good log so far. Epi is interesting

Have you had any experience with Epi?

[drewsicle3210]

Have you had any experience with Epi?

Not yet, but I am learning.

[absurd]

Before and after pics!!! Weight was 198 here.



Weight 212-215 depending on the day. Notice fuller looking delts and more thickness overall. For not being a bulking compound I think epistane did pretty good.

[Aaron330]

Nice! Are those both before pics?

[absurd]

First pic is before send pic is 3-4 weeks in and final pics I'll post up later when I get them.

[Aaron330]

First pic is before send pic is 3-4 weeks in and final pics I'll post up later when I get them.

Got it. It's kinda blurry so hard to tell but your arm def looks fuller and thicker in the 2nd pic. Can't wait to see the finished product!

[Aaron330]

Workout Day 5- Shoulders


Overhead Press: 110X5, 125X5, 140X8, 125x10, 110x11
Arnold Press: 55x6, 60x6, 60x6, 60x7
Front dumbbell raises: 3 sets of 12 with 25# db's
Side dumbbell raises: 3 sets of 6 with 20# db's

****. The strength gains started today. Check this out:

I'm doing my 5/3/1 on Overhead Barbell Press today. I always add two more sets after the plus set, and make them each a plus set as well.

3 weeks ago, this is what I did:
105x5, 120x5, 135x6, 120x8, 105x12
Today I did this:
110X5, 125X5, 140X8, 125x10, 110x11

That's 1755# more lbs lifted....talk about a strength gain! I also did 3 sets of arnold press with 60# dumbbells, and a week ago today I was struggling with 50's. Surprised to see this much of a strength increase so quick, but I'm not complaining! Felt wide awake today, huge pump, No lethargy to speak of at all, libido has actually increased alot. Not sure if its somehow due to the epi, but I feel like a bull in a china shop right now lol.

Scale still said 195 this morning. We'll see if it goes up again tomorrow.

[Lukef2000]

Workout Day 5- Shoulders

Overhead Press: 110X5, 125X5, 140X8, 125x10, 110x11
Arnold Press: 55x6, 60x6, 60x6, 60x7
Front dumbbell raises: 3 sets of 12 with 25# db's
Side dumbbell raises: 3 sets of 6 with 20# db's

****. The strength gains started today. Check this out:

I'm doing my 5/3/1 on Overhead Barbell Press today. I always add two more sets after the plus set, and make them each a plus set as well.

3 weeks ago, this is what I did:
105x5, 120x5, 135x6, 120x8, 105x12
Today I did this:
110X5, 125X5, 140X8, 125x10, 110x11

That's 1755# more lbs lifted....talk about a strength gain! I also did 3 sets of arnold press with 60# dumbbells, and a week ago today I was struggling with 50's. Surprised to see this much of a strength increase so quick, but I'm not complaining! Felt wide awake today, huge pump, No lethargy to speak of at all, libido has actually increased alot. Not sure if its somehow due to the epi, but I feel like a bull in a china shop right now lol.

Scale still said 195 this morning. We'll see if it goes up again tomorrow.

I love the strength I get from epi, I only put on 4lb when I jumped on it but my deadlift increased by 90lb over 6 weeks. I was impressed to say the least

[Aaron330]

I love the strength I get from epi, I only put on 4lb when I jumped on it but my deadlift increased by 90lb over 6 weeks. I was impressed to say the least

Shoot I would take a 90 lb strength increase over a 10lb muscle gain any day. Being a strong ass MFer is where it's at. Nobody is impressed with a swole dude that can't lift much. Everybody is impressed with the dude who has a 3x body weight deadlift or 2x body weight squat.

That being said, I hope to get both out of the cycle :-p

[Aaron330]

Workout Day 6- Squat/Arms


Session 1:
5 rounds for time:
10 Dumbbell Snatches - 70#
15 box jumps 24 inches
7:12
-rest two minutes, then-
30-20-10
Kettlebell swing 53#, Decline bench situps
5:02

Session 2-
Squat 6x3 - 265#

Close Grip Bench 5x5, last 3 sets are plus sets
160x5, 180x5, 210x10, 180x12, 160x14
Standing Barbell Curl 5x5 - 95, 105, 110, 115, 120
Superset Skull Crushers 3x10 @ 80#, Hammer curls 3x12 @50#
Burn out 20, 15, 10, 5 of press downs and barbell curls


Omg, strength was RIDICULOUS today. I wanna try and put this in perspective. My last 5+ set on Close grip bench was 3 weeks ago, and I got 205# for 6 reps...today I got 210# for 10 reps. Then I got 180# for 12 and 160# for 14. which is 4 and 3 reps more per set also. It felt so freaking light.

I log all my workouts, and the biggest PR on Close Grip previously was a 860lb total weight lifted increase across the 5x5 set. And that was a huge PR...my second biggest PR ever was 480#. Today, my PR was 1905 lbs!!! That's insane. That's more than double my biggest PR ever... This Epi-10 is THE S-H-I-T.

Everything else felt great. Squats felt easy also. No lethargy today, no sides. Just Hercules-esque strength gains. Feeling great!

[Aaron330]

Some more good news. Woke up, pissed, weighed myself: 196.4. Today is my 1 week of being on Epi...I gained 3.4 pounds in just the first week. This **** is like magic!

5 months of being on a heavy bulking diet, not 1 lb gained. 1 week on Epi, 3.4 lbs gained. Why didn't I do this sooner? If the first week has gone this well, I can't wait to see how these next 5 weeks go :-)

[absurd]

It's good not to do it too soon. Maybe when you plateau. I'm only 23 and I think still might of been too young for epistane but I did it as I was stuck at 198 lbs. for over a year I reached a plateau. I'm 216 lbs. now and 2nd day of pct took my pre workout supplement and that was a bad mistake. I think epistane is still in my system 48 hours later and I had TOO much pump couldn't even finish my workout or bend my arms.

[Aaron330]

dam bro that's no good! I guess you learned that lesson the hard way...and yea I agree, I'm glad I waited until now actually cuz I've been at a legit plateau and it feels great to finally be breaking through. I'm in love with Epi now lol

[fame126]

into the 3rd week is the best feeling you just keep moving the pins and stacking more plates. you feel amazing. i miss that the most about being "on" good luck and stay healthy

[Aaron330]

into the 3rd week is the best feeling you just keep moving the pins and stacking more plates. you feel amazing. i miss that the most about being "on" good luck and stay healthy

Nice, I'll be looking forward to week 3 then!

[Vince5693]

I'm in, I'll be starting my cycle in a couple weeks

[Aaron330]

I'm in, I'll be starting my cycle in a couple weeks

Sweet man. You running Epi also?

[Vince5693]

Sweet man. You running Epi also?

Yeah but I'm gonna run epi andro and 11oxo stacked

[Aaron330]

Yeah but I'm gonna run epi andro and 11oxo stacked

Nice! I'll be in for that log for sure

[Aaron330]

Week 2/Day 1 Workout - Squats/Snatch

Session One
Back Squat 6x4 - 265#
Snatch 7x1 at 145#

Session Two
Front Squat 5x5 - 170#
Metcon: 5 rounds for time
10 Hang Power Cleans - 135#
8 Front Rack Walking Lunges - 135#
8 Box Jumps - 24inches
Time- 7:28

The squats felt easy and I can tell my strength is up. But Lethargy hit HARD today. Took my two Epi pills right as I left for work and on the drive there it hit me like a ton of bricks. Almost fell asleep at the wheel. Then I drank some gatorade and hit session two and just felt sleepy the whole time. I gotta start taking a 5 hr energy or something. Scale still said 196.5 so I'm stoked on that. Hopefully can gain a few more pounds this week.

[absurd]

I don't want to hijack your thread but I'll post up as my pct continues and give you advice. 3rd day into pct and I got back pumps at the gym bad. Maybe I should have continued taking taurine and epistane might still be in my system since I took 50mg on friday. 6-8 hour half life not sure how to do the math lol.

[Aaron330]

I don't want to hijack your thread but I'll post up as my pct continues and give you advice. 3rd day into pct and I got back pumps at the gym bad. Maybe I should have continued taking taurine and epistane might still be in my system since I took 50mg on friday. 6-8 hour half life not sure how to do the math lol.

Nah dude go for it, I'll take all the help I can get. Haven't experienced any back pumps at all yet. When did those start for you?

[absurd]

The pumps started around week 3-4 and only killed me on back days and not on leg days since I didn't do deads or squats just leg press. I didn't get any lethargy everyone's body is different and you might not get the pumps.

[Lukef2000]

Back pumps are not fun. Period. Taurine, potassium and a shít load of water makes them manageable at best.

[Aaron330]

Back pumps are not fun. Period. Taurine, potassium and a shít load of water makes them manageable at best.

I have taurine on hand. When I need to start using it, do I take 1-3g like an hour before workout?

[absurd]

1 gram is on the low side I'd go 3+ and go from there at least an hour before the gym helped. 4th day pct and woke up with red eyes could be from nolva. I'll keep you posted.