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    Dymethazine / 4 ad time!!


    Lurked many of days on here to decide on Dimethazine... and that time has come. This will be the most powerful compound I've run so I'm not quite certain what to expect. I've used helladrol with good results previously.

    I recently cut about 30 lbs and kept my lifts close so I'm really lean and want to add some quality while in have low bf. I really busted my ass to get here and now I'm ready to get the party started! I'm itching to start putting down quality cals and killing the weight room. I'm using LGI DMZ-15 and RDe 4ad from AMS.

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    Any experience anyone has would appreciated. There are somewhat limited logs on DMZ it seems. Took my first dose today. I figured I'd be fine to start at 30
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    Day 1 placebo at its best in the gym tonight. I'm seeing new veins every time I lift it seems after this last cut. Can't wait til a few weeks in.
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    Some current pics. I know its nothing much compared to most guys on here, but I was 6'6" and 168lbs @ 15% not too long ago.

    I was so skinny all my life. Takes its toll eventually... fuels the fire.

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    Weight: 191.5 (+1.5)

    Not much to note, I feel pretty good so far. Just keeping my mindset on quality workouts. I'll probably start to up my volume after I feel it kicking in. For now I'm going to do my own natural thing so not to cause any unwanted joint stress before i start to get into the thick of things.

    I know DMZ takes effect sooner than hdrol. I cant remember when I started getting back pumps from hdrol but I know I got them pretty bad. I want to save the taurine I have until I need it and I may not need to buy more.

    How soon do some people generally start to see back pumps from it if they are prone? A week or so?
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    So I am actually short on nolva by 3 days if I go 20/20/10/10. I'm just going to go from 20 to 10 three days early and keep a 28 day regiment.

    Definitely gained 2.5lbs in 3 days. I remember this feeling from hdrol. May be a stupid question but scientifically, what is the cause of the quick weight gain with PHs? Is it just simply water?
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    My want to use some Liver Assist XT, two orals for 5 weeks... but its up to you. Otherwise have fun be safe
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    Is Assist xt really that much better than Super Cycle? It was on sale and I just went by ingredients and brand name
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Is Assist xt really that much better than Super Cycle? It was on sale and I just went by ingredients and brand name
    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't even notice that lol. If you already have a liver protectant, use what you already got on hand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeekPoop View Post
    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't even notice that lol. If you already have a liver protectant, use what you already got on hand!
    No sweat, I see how you thought that. I actually just edited it because all I had written was Super Cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Is Assist xt really that much better than Super Cycle? It was on sale and I just went by ingredients and brand name
    No, but cycle assist is.

    Cel cycle assist, there is no substitute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    So I am actually short on nolva by 3 days if I go 20/20/10/10. I'm just going to go from 20 to 10 three days early and keep a 28 day regiment.

    Definitely gained 2.5lbs in 3 days. I remember this feeling from hdrol. May be a stupid question but scientifically, what is the cause of the quick weight gain with PHs? Is it just simply water?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Weight: 191.5 (+1.5)

    Not much to note, I feel pretty good so far. Just keeping my mindset on quality workouts. I'll probably start to up my volume after I feel it kicking in. For now I'm going to do my own natural thing so not to cause any unwanted joint stress before i start to get into the thick of things.

    I know DMZ takes effect sooner than hdrol. I cant remember when I started getting back pumps from hdrol but I know I got them pretty bad. I want to save the taurine I have until I need it and I may not need to buy more.

    How soon do some people generally start to see back pumps from it if they are prone? A week or so?
    No one is prone to back pumps. Poor form and/or a week core, diet, an a couple other things are to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    No one is prone to back pumps. Poor form and/or a week core, diet, an a couple other things are to blame.
    Interesting... I've always just thought things like tauirine, potassium and water intake help decrease the intensity of them, but there's not always a cure. When I first started researching PHs some years back I read about them and thought, hmmm sounds like what used to happen to my back riding bmx back in the day. Turns out.... its the same exact feeling, only I was like 13-18 years old then when I'd get them and clearly not on a PH haha. So, I was pretty sure I was going to get them when I ran hdrol... and I really got them bad some days. Only when lifting, usually. My diet and supplements are pretty spot on, I feel I'm pretty versed compared to a lot of 3rd time cyclers but I still enjoy any input from you guys.
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    I had back pumps full blown once.

    My second cycle, and before I had proper education on exercise science and nutrition.

    Since then, anytime I've felt them start, I adjust my form/rest time.

    A good way to tell if you have a strong core, solid form, is if you can squat ass to floor, without loosing any arch in the back. (specifically the lower back)
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    Ass to ground for someone who is 6'5"-6'6" is not the same as most people. I get lower than most guys my height (below parallel) but ATG just isn't happening without injury unless I'm going really light. Edit: I do finish most of my workouts with light ass to ground squats. Just not my full weight potential. My leg segments are ridiculously long.

    That being said I feel I have a very strong core. I may have been skinny all my life but I excelled in sports in addition to riding BMX for 20+ years.

    I certainly see what your saying tho. Adjustments are key for me. Proper diet, supplementing and keeping a keen eye on form and taking note of problematic movements.
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    You can test ass to floor with just body weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    You can test ass to floor with just body weight.
    ^exaxtly^ I always finish my squat day by dropping the weight down to 1/3 and go all the way and I'm 6'3. It has helped rehab my 2nd meniscus tear and has doubled my parallel squat in a short period. Heavy, sloppy, fast squats done with limited range are far worse than a2g IMO.
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    6'3" and 6'6" are super different but I get the picture. That's like the height threshold IMO, I don't really consider 6'3" exceptionally tall but surely its more difficult to squat than someone 6ft or less.

    I can do 150lbs back squats ass to ground respectively. Its just not my normal 240+ @ parallel for reps of around 10-12. Low rep high weight is clearly even harder. I'll finish with around 15-20 reps of near ass to ground with 140 usually. Its not like I cannot do them at all.... But I feel using more weight to parallel and also incorporating A2G with lighter weights is beneficial for a tall guy like me. I never used to be able to even get 140 A2G. It just takes time and patience. Squating used to be a weakness and now I feel I am stronger than most guys my weight that are average height.

    Certainly nothing really "sloppy" about any of my forms in the big lifts. I'll do low weight with good form faaaar before higher weight with fast sloppy reps, or else I'd have never gotten as far as I have.
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    Day 5
    Weight: 193lbs (+3lbs)

    Haven't begin eating too far over maint yet so its a funny feeling that I've gained 3 pounds. As I said, my weight fluctuates very little and I can usually guess it accurately, depending on time of day.

    I didn't expect to feel much at this point but, I feel pretty damn good today. I just feel more alive and motivated than usual.
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    Day 8

    194 lbs (+4)

    Libido is up from the 4ad. Pretty good feeling of well being going on but not much difference in terms of strength in the gym today. I played it safe with volume and weight and had a decent session. Only cycles I've ever ran before were hdrol and 1ad so I'm a bit curious about the next week to come.
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    Bumped the DMZ to 45 today per some advice and seeing many users just run 45 all the way through. I want to get the most out of this and I planned on doing 45 eventually, anyway. Why not just start now??
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    Day 10

    Weight 195lbs (+5)

    I know 5 lbs doesn't sound like much and on my hdrol run I had gained 8+ at this point, but there was more fat gained by the end of that cycle than I wanted. I dont see the need to pound food way over my maint in the frist 10 days. I cringe at these logs where people gain "10+ pounds" in the first week and it just looks like they are clearly overeating and basically putting on fat and water retention. I want the weight gained to be nearly all muscle, I worked too hard to cover my abs in a layer of thick fat while on a potent cycle. Its just unnecessary to me just to say "hey bro I gained 20+ lbs during that run", when half of it is fat. Anyone can "gain" weight, I dont need a DS for that.

    I have definitely been having a tough time getting out of bed and naps seems pretty tempting these past few days haha. We'll see how things go but I may bump up the 4ad if I need to. Weed probably compounds the lethargy but I could never smoke before workouts, I'd be too lazy and lose track of rest times haha.

    Excited to hit the gym today as most logs I've read show strength increases around this time. I have a good feeling i'm going to start feeling beast soon...
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    Pretty good gains in 10 days. I usually end a dmz cycle at about + 15-20lbs. Hardest part is keeping it post cycle. With a very aggressive pct I usually keep about 10lbs.

    I finished a dmz/m-sten cycle couple months ago and I went from 183-205 and 60 days after pct I'm holding at 198
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Pretty good gains in 10 days. I usually end a dmz cycle at about + 15-20lbs. Hardest part is keeping it post cycle. With a very aggressive pct I usually keep about 10lbs.

    I finished a dmz/m-sten cycle couple months ago and I went from 183-205 and 60 days after pct I'm holding at 198
    Nice! Good to hear that although I'm minus the M-sten so I guess we'll see. If I can hold 12-15 lbs after PCT I'll be really happy because it will not be fat. I only held about 10lbs after hdrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post

    Nice! Good to hear that although I'm minus the M-sten so I guess we'll see. If I can hold 12-15 lbs after PCT I'll be really happy because it will not be fat. I only held about 10lbs after hdrol.
    Actually I prefer dmz solo but that's me. M-sten lethargy kicks in so hard even 1000mg of stano doesn't help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post

    Actually I prefer dmz solo but that's me. M-sten lethargy kicks in so hard even 1000mg of stano doesn't help.
    Haha well F that, sounds awful. I really didn't experience much lethargy on hdrol but I ran 4ad also. Wondering if DMZ will be worse...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post

    Haha well F that, sounds awful. I really didn't experience much lethargy on hdrol but I ran 4ad also. Wondering if DMZ will be worse...
    Lol yes dmz is stronger than hdrol. Dmz can cause lethargy in some but it didn't with me
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    Day 11

    Weight: 196lbs (+6)

    Have a great workout yesterday but I wouldn't say I'm noticing the strength of the cycle too much yet. No doubt, I'm fuller and I am seeing more veins than ever before but I kept my weights pretty much the same. I did however add about 15-20% volume onto my routine yesterday. Shirts are definitely fitting tighter, that's for sure!

    Heading back to the gym today to hit some legs and chest. I won't be able to get into the gym tomorrow so I'm hitting a lower and upper in the same day today. Get it in!

    Libido is great still, just a tad tired in the morning. I can tell I'm on something at this point but nothing crazy if I can be honest. These next few days will tell...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Day 11

    Weight: 196lbs (+6)

    Have a great workout yesterday but I wouldn't say I'm noticing the strength of the cycle too much yet. No doubt, I'm fuller and I am seeing more veins than ever before but I kept my weights pretty much the same. I did however add about 15-20% volume onto my routine yesterday. Shirts are definitely fitting tighter, that's for sure!

    Heading back to the gym today to hit some legs and chest. I won't be able to get into the gym tomorrow so I'm hitting a lower and upper in the same day today. Get it in!

    Libido is great still, just a tad tired in the morning. I can tell I'm on something at this point but nothing crazy if I can be honest. These next few days will tell...
    I honestly didn't get much as far as strength gains on dmz. It was more size. Epi does the opposite for me on the same diet, little size gains but great strength gains.
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    Yea, I have definitely read that Epi is more geared towards strength. Thats why I originally went with Hdrol over Epi, I wanted more size. Its funny to look at Epi's anabolic ratio for what it actually does. You'd think it would kick Superdrol's ass but not the case. I did get some decent strength with hdrol but I'm hoping for more with DMZ. I guess we will see....

    I'm gearing my lifting more towards hypertrophy than strength, anyway. I feel with my body type, its just more enticing for me. I'm not joining any strongman comps anytime soon but I would like to actually look like I lift with these genetics haha
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    Just gotta say.... I feel euphoric like a pig in sh*t today and I'm suddenly eating like a German Shepard with a f#<%ing tapeworm. I just destroyed a giant tuna sandwich like it was a tiny Pez.

    Something kicked into gear here, folks.
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    Nice!!! Now go kill it in the gym!!! On cycle you need to be a beast in the kitchen and a beast in the gym!
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    Day 12

    Weight 197 (+7)

    Would't you know it... another pound. Exciting for me because I'm not eating too far over maint and I'm actually looking leaner. Veins starting to show from my arms onto my chest for the first time ever. I felt great in the gym yesterday but didn't necessarily feel much stronger than normal. I had to squeeze in legs, shoulders and arms in 50 min so rest time was kept @ 30 sec for everything but squats which I gave a full 60 secs for.

    It went a little something like this:

    Warm up:
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    Jump lunges 10x2

    Squats:
    140x10
    190x10
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    250x10
    230x10

    Leg Extensions:
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    drop 60x12

    Ham curls:
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    80x12
    drop 60x10

    Standing Shoulder Press:
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    100x10
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    Lat raises:
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    Tri Extentions giant sets (no rest):
    Palms up 80X10
    Hammer 80x10
    Palms down 80x10
    (repeat x3 with 60 sec rest)

    Simple, high intensity, and short.
    Its not a split routine so volume seems low... but I hit the same muscle groups 3x sometimes in a week. Its really helped me grow. As a hard gainer, I got decent results from splits (and I'll go back when this stops working) but hitting a near full body 3 times a week allows me to consistently be in an anabolic state. Most of the time with a 1x per week natty, split workout, I'd recover for 2-3 days and then it would be another 3-4 days before hitting that muscle group again.

    I'm off today as I have an O's game tonight and then playing an hour long set on a local radio station with my band. Pretty stoked actually! Going to run some uphill sprints tomorrow and get a little EPOC flowing. I don't think I'll be losing any muscle running sprints right now
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    Woke up with a real sore throat this morning on I took it easy today. Vit c to the max from here on out and just hoping I don't feel worse tomorrow.

    I've managed to maint weight but I'm getting even leaner. Going to kill this next week as long as I can pull out of this. I got a flu shot on Thursday so I hope I wasn't getting sick before that. It wouldn't be good... and I'd be pissed haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 6andaHalf View Post
    Woke up with a real sore throat this morning on I took it easy today. Vit c to the max from here on out and just hoping I don't feel worse tomorrow.

    I've managed to maint weight but I'm getting even leaner. Going to kill this next week as long as I can pull out of this. I got a flu shot on Thursday so I hope I wasn't getting sick before that. It wouldn't be good... and I'd be pissed haha.
    Getting sick on cycle sucks. Seems like it takes longer than normal to get well.

    Look at upping your food intake if you haven't gained the weight yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post

    Getting sick on cycle sucks. Seems like it takes longer than normal to get well.

    Look at upping your food intake if you haven't gained the weight yet
    Yea, hoping its just bad allergies. Runny nose, a.m. sore throat and sneezing.

    I've gained about 7-8 lbs and this is day 14 so I feel I'm on track, especially how lean I'm staying. New veins coming out consistently. I'm upping cals again as soon as I feel better. Feeling stuffed up drops the appetite a bit.
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    Sounds like allergies. I'd recommend getting Airborne (Walmart has it). I swear by this stuff. Being sick on cycle is not good.
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    Sounds like allergies. I'd recommend getting Airborne (Walmart has it). I swear by this stuff. Being sick on cycle is not good.
    Target has a generic brand of "airborne" that is just as effective but much cheaper
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenpoengineer View Post
    Sounds like allergies. I'd recommend getting Airborne (Walmart has it). I swear by this stuff. Being sick on cycle is not good.
    Quote Originally Posted by rphash49 View Post
    Target has a generic brand of "airborne" that is just as effective but much cheaper
    Thanks guys good advice.

    I have to say I'm feeling much better after dosing up the vit C these past few days and I still dragged myself to the gym yesterday. Had a decent workout and was able to put down some quality cals afterward. Nothing a little deadlifting cant fix! Still have a bit of a runny nose/sneezing but the sore throat was almost non existent this morning.

    Weighed in at 198 last night so, still climbing...
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    Day 15

    Weight 199 lbs (+9)

    IT HAS BEGUN! DMZ has arrived

    Felt like I had 10w-30 coursing thru my body today. Hit legs and set a PR squatting for sure, but I didn't even have a spotter so could have done more probably. There is no doubt looking in the mirror that it has taken effect and it feels like Xmas. So contagious...

    Still got 3-4 weeks left, that's scary. At this rate people are going to start asking. F&ck em, I lift weights. My gf already said my arms looked bigger this weekend. She really doesn't just say stuff like that and she sees me almost everyday so there's your sign.

    Today's session went a little something like this...

    Biked for 5 min/jump lunges to warm up

    Back Squat:
    130x15
    230x10
    270x8
    300x5 PR! (never even had 300lbs on a bar before. I work out solo so I'm cautious with heavy free weight squats)
    250x8

    Leg extensions
    80x15 slow eccentric on these
    80x15
    Drop 60x15

    Romanian deads
    180x10
    180x10
    Went easy on these because I forgot taurine today. Just ate a few bananas and pounded water before working out. Actually worked well...

    Ham curls
    80x12
    80x12
    Drop 60x10

    And Calves

    Rest day tomorrow.
    Currently logging: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/236161-dymethazine-4-ad.html
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