Anavar only cycle advice

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What's up guys. I have some questions I was hoping I can bounce off of u all.

I can get 20mg tabs from my buddy from a ugl that he's used and swears by and looks damn good. I don't wanna run it with test bc I've been on TRT in the past (I'm 25) but I do have clomid and respond well to erase (for pct purposes) Is there anything I can do besides running test to keep my **** working?

I have prime and hghpro for natty stuff.. Don't flame me for asking if you think it's enough to keep me up. Maybe add in some perform bc that stuff is like Viagra for me....

Question 2: for pct I have RX clomid that I was prescribed for my pituitary restart. I have enough for a solid post cycle but I remember my restart being an emotional roller coaster due to the estrogen build up of clomid (even tho my test got up at 870) my estradiol was at 40... So a little too high.

Given that, do u think I should run my pct as clomid, Test powder, perform and anabeta. I wouldn't wanna go over 50 mg clomid... That stuff really turns me into a little cry baby. Cycle would be: Anavar- 80/80/80/80/80 + hghpro, prime, perform and staples


Pct- Clomid- 0/0/0/0/0/50/50/25/25 +test powder(has AI and DAA), anabeta, c20, EC stack, rhodiola and vitamin c mega dose for acute stress support and possibly add in 25 eod for 3-4 days..

The nice thing is that I can get labs done if I feel it's needed and definitely plan on it after finishing pct. any issues using clomid with something like test powder?

Thoughts? Thank you.
 
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i wouldnt do any of it. anavar was not very strong for myself, just expensive. if youre worried bout your previosu trt situation, i prollly wouldnt be using anything hormonal.
 
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Oral only cycle is garbage.it says you can't fully commit and are a poon
 

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Oral only cycle is garbage.it says you can't fully commit and are a poon
Lol neither is true but ok. I need something that clears quick. I don't want to grow I just want to lean out. Despite every diet and exercise tactic, I'm not responding. = why var is best bet
 
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Lol neither is true but ok. I need something that clears quick. I don't want to grow I just want to lean out. Despite every diet and exercise tactic, I'm not responding. = why var is best bet
I would recommend a winstrol only cycle over anavar. Anavar will take a long time to see gains with winny you'll notice vascularity increase and muscle gains along with increase appetite without any water retention. All mass gained you will keep. With anavar I think it's mainly used for people cutting to keep muscle due to decrease in macros. But it's up to you winny is cheaper and comes in 50mg tabs.
 

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I would recommend a winstrol only cycle over anavar. Anavar will take a long time to see gains with winny you'll notice vascularity increase and muscle gains along with increase appetite without any water retention. All mass gained you will keep. With anavar I think it's mainly used for people cutting to keep muscle due to decrease in macros. But it's up to you winny is cheaper and comes in 50mg tabs.
Winny needs test run with it. I had experience with winny and didn't know wtf I was doing and needless to say, it didnt go well at all. Plus I have arthritis lol. Winny is prob worst I idea. I could hardly walk when I used it at 19. I'm 25 now
 

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If I were to add test E for 12 weeks...

Cycle
1-12 test e 500mg (250 Tues/ Fri)
6-10 anavar 60mg ED
10-11anavar 80mg ED
Would probably run erase at 1 cap a day starting week 2.

PCT (13-16)
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Erase 2-3 caps daily
Test powder, anabeta, staples+stress supports

Im seeing ppl starting pct 14 days after last test pin... This necessary or a personal preference? I'm assuming bc test will still be elevated and circulating that it's pointless to pct until it starts declining
 
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Test would be a big benefit to that. You could do test prop though if you wanted to keep it short.
 
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What was your problem with TRT? And what kind of cycle history do you have?
 

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Test would be a big benefit to that. You could do test prop though if you wanted to keep it short.
No problem running test for 12... I was on TRT for 6 months so I can handle it long term..
 
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Winny needs test run with it. I had experience with winny and didn't know wtf I was doing and needless to say, it didnt go well at all. Plus I have arthritis lol. Winny is prob worst I idea. I could hardly walk when I used it at 19. I'm 25 now
Everyone responds differently that's not the first time I hear that before. I had a couple buddies i gave winny to and as a single cycle the gains they made were very noticeable. The ones who continued to lift and eat still made the gains after pct. I ran it with test cyp one of the best cycles ive ever ran.
 
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If I were to add test E for 12 weeks...

Cycle
1-12 test e 500mg (250 Tues/ Fri)
6-10 anavar 60mg ED
10-11anavar 80mg ED
Would probably run erase at 1 cap a day starting week 2.
PCT (13-16)
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Erase 2-3 caps daily Test powder, anabeta, staples+stress supports

Im seeing ppl starting pct 14 days after last test pin... This necessary or a personal preference? I'm assuming bc test will still be elevated and circulating that it's pointless to pct until it starts declining
why not just get arimidex?

why ai in pct?

and

yes you still have a lot of hormones in your system
 
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Run test prop for a little less water retention and it clears quicker
 

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why not just get arimidex?

why ai in pct?

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yes you still have a lot of hormones in your system
Not sure if I can get it

AI to aid with rebound. I'm VERY estrogen prone

**I wouldn't use the erase in pct actually, just the test powder for the daa and other ingredients for recovery/natty test **
 
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Not sure if I can get it

AI to aid with rebound. I'm VERY estrogen prone

**I wouldn't use the erase in pct actually, just the test powder for the daa and other ingredients for recovery/natty test **
oh, i assumed since you can get test, you could get arimidex.

i think its just hype and a myth personally. i use to believe that stuff until i goofed around on myself, but to each their own

For 12 weeks?
yeah, can run it just as long as if you want. prolly will get sick of pinning so frequently for 12 weeks tho
 
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id also recommend running test with var for more of an effect anyway...var for me to be effective is 80-100mg day which makes it dam expensive...can always add in gw501516 which might help with muscle being retained and t3 at a moderate dose
 
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id also recommend running test with var for more of an effect anyway...var for me to be effective is 80-100mg day which makes it dam expensive...can always add in gw501516 which might help with muscle being retained and t3 at a moderate dose
When people say this it is because it is underdosed or poor quality anavar. With a good product 50mg works very well and gw501516 has been shown to cause cancer

T3 is great when ran with test
 
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Anavar at 20mg is weak sauce..I would doudge the gw501516 myself..

And if your trying to cut up hard and fast you might want to consider Tren Ace, Low dose Test, T3 and Clen..you will cut like never before or so a little bird told me.
 

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All good recs that I'm familiar with, but I have too many medical / systemic issues to mess with hardcore gear like that.
 
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All good recs that I'm familiar with, but I have too many medical / systemic issues to mess with hardcore gear like that.
Low does test is about the safest option you can go with.
 

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Decided on 500 test for 12 weeks and 60 var for 6
 

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Thoughts on natty supps to run in pct?


I know Daa, what about hghpro, prime, anabeta, etc... What about on cycle? Any of that stuff worth using alongside test ?
 
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Yes my good friend has used it himself for a long time.
That means nothing. When they pass a fake Anavar it'd usually a hormone that works and in done cases a lot like Anavar but it might be about anything.
 
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Leave Anavar out.

Get an OTC PH. H-Drol works even better. Heck, H-drol alone could give you 10-15lbs and dry, too. Run something like that with Test.
 
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1) Very expensive
2) Known to be a bunk compound majority of time
3) Other compounds get the job done easier and cheaper

H-Drol is not androgenic at all. Oral T (which H-drol converts to) is 100+ anabolic but 0 androgenic. Pretty much serves the same but better purpose as Anavar.
 
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1) Very expensive
2) Known to be a bunk compound majority of time
3) Other compounds get the job done easier and cheaper

H-Drol is not androgenic at all. Oral T (which H-drol converts to) is 100+ anabolic but 0 androgenic. Pretty much serves the same but better purpose as Anavar.
I would just get turinabol over hdrol why screw around with the conversion

Just run straight test and don't even bother with the orals
 

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Ill investigate the pills, packaging etc. whatever it is..... It works, the kid is 230 and single digit bf... I've known him for year he's one if my best friends and if it ISN'T var, he doesn't know.. But I have no reason to think its not at this time.
 
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I would just get turinabol over hdrol why screw around with the conversion

Just run straight test and don't even bother with the orals
Well, every one has preference. H-drol has it's own receptor activity too. So not all has to convert. This would explain the drastic weight gain associated with H-drol.

For someone like myself, since I'm on TRT and don't need to run an illegal source of test, the benefit of H-drol is that I can have a nice oral cycle on top of my TRT while still being 100% legal. Just a piece of mind for myself and considering the various roles that I play, such things are important to me.
 

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Well, every one has preference. H-drol has it's own receptor activity too. So not all has to convert. This would explain the drastic weight gain associated with H-drol.

For someone like myself, since I'm on TRT and don't need to run an illegal source of test, the benefit of H-drol is that I can have a nice oral cycle on top of my TRT while still being 100% legal. Just a piece of mind for myself and considering the various roles that I play, such things are important to me.
I was on TRT but had a "successful" restart. My body comp is still **** even tho my bloods are showing 700-800 (at last check in July) could be much lower now... Should know tomorrow.
 

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Ok. Upon further research and assessment of goals, I'm pretty interested in letro for my chest issues

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I can't get rid of the fat/water/tissue on my chest. Even when I was anorexic at 90 pounds when I was 18.... I had bigger chest than most men. So I'm thinking letro could reverse this and hopefully keep it from returning- as that is what ive been reading.

I've seen .25mg a day for general on cycle AI dose, and All the way up to 2.5mg in which people have said that it eliminated existing gyno and it did not return

I've read too though that there is a STRONG rebound effect when coming off letro.... Is this something to be terribly worried about?? Anyway to lessen it? Would gyno possibly come back, worse?

And lastly, how would I want to incorporate this into my test e/var cycle?

Thanks guys.
 
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Ok. Upon further research and assessment of goals, I'm pretty interested in letro for my chest issues

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I can't get rid of the fat/water/tissue on my chest. Even when I was anorexic at 90 pounds when I was 18.... I had bigger chest than most men. So I'm thinking letro could reverse this and hopefully keep it from returning- as that is what ive been reading.

I've seen .25mg a day for general on cycle AI dose, and All the way up to 2.5mg in which people have said that it eliminated existing gyno and it did not return

I've read too though that there is a STRONG rebound effect when coming off letro.... Is this something to be terribly worried about?? Anyway to lessen it? Would gyno possibly come back, worse?

And lastly, how would I want to incorporate this into my test e/var cycle?

Thanks guys.
Bad idea

If you have gyno use raloxifene
 
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Bad idea

If you have gyno use raloxifene
Or Nolva.

Letro will kill estrogen levels beyond a healthy level. Cheda, do you have knots up under your nipples or do you just have saggy tits due to water weight?

If it's just water weight, then you need to do three things. 1) Get more muscle in the chest. This naturally tightens up the shape of the pec muscle when you increase in lean tissue mass. 2) Push water weight out by taking dandelion root and going to the sauna a few times a week. Drink distillied water only. Cook in distilled water, too when cooking stuff like rice and pasta. 3) Lower your body fat.
 
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Are you sure it's gyno? And if it is from puberty your better off just getting surgery
 

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Or Nolva.

Letro will kill estrogen levels beyond a healthy level. Cheda, do you have knots up under your nipples or do you just have saggy tits due to water weight?

If it's just water weight, then you need to do three things. 1) Get more muscle in the chest. This naturally tightens up the shape of the pec muscle when you increase in lean tissue mass. 2) Push water weight out by taking dandelion root and going to the sauna a few times a week. Drink distillied water only. Cook in distilled water, too when cooking stuff like rice and pasta. 3) Lower your body fat.
Thanks. I literally just check before i read this. And, no. I don't think I've ever had sensitive/lumpy nipples. It's just very mushy, doesn't even feel like fat, mostly water...

When I take herbal diuretics It certainly improves dramatically. I was on them from June-August and this must be the rebound? I can't stay on year round? / don't want to.... As long is its healthy tho, I don't see why I shouldn't?

I also recently took on a new chet training bc I wanted to reduce muscle mass on chest as the reSt of my body is not up to par.... I think I will have to return to my usual routine bc I have been fairly content w my chest the last few years... Not happy by any means, but not this unhappy and it was not this saggy... I don't eat pasta and I buy my brown rice cooked from whole foods or something lol but I can grab distilled water.... Isn't it really bad for your kidneys tho?

What exercises would u recommend... I want that wide flattened look ...



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Something like that... But I am




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I'd just say try losing body fat first. See what happens. I know that when I got up over 12% BF, my chest took a real hit in overall shape and size. It looked tiny compared to my shoulders and had very little definition.

When I cut down to 9% and packed on 10lbs of mass over the course of 24 months, my chest looks FAR more impressive. Granted, I train it much harder and more strategic now than ever.

It takes time but really you just need to reduce body fat and pack on muscle mass. Eat clean, eat tons and do moderate amounts of cardio. Start there and make adjustments as you go. Train with intensity and focus on mind/muscle connection, really trying to extract every last bit of energy from your fibers. Heck, at this point when I train chest, I focus on specific quadrants of my chest as I contract and hold the lift. If you have a general problem, think general solutions. If you have a specific problem, think specific solutions.
 

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I'd just say try losing body fat first. See what happens. I know that when I got up over 12% BF, my chest took a real hit in overall shape and size. It looked tiny compared to my shoulders and had very little definition.

When I cut down to 9% and packed on 10lbs of mass over the course of 24 months, my chest looks FAR more impressive. Granted, I train it much harder and more strategic now than ever.

It takes time but really you just need to reduce body fat and pack on muscle mass. Eat clean, eat tons and do moderate amounts of cardio. Start there and make adjustments as you go. Train with intensity and focus on mind/muscle connection, really trying to extract every last bit of energy from your fibers. Heck, at this point when I train chest, I focus on specific quadrants of my chest as I contract and hold the lift. If you have a general problem, think general solutions. If you have a specific problem, think specific solutions.
I'm not really fat tho... Skinny fat I guess.. Like if I all out cut, ill lose so much muscle. I'm at that in between stage...
 
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I'm not really fat tho... Skinny fat I guess.. Like if I all out cut, ill lose so much muscle. I'm at that in between stage...
It can be done simultaneously, however, the diet must be exact.

I have only found one type of diet that does it well, and that is one that is typical amongst pro bodybuilders. High carb/high protein/low fat diet w/ vigorous training 5-7 times per week, cardio 3-5 days per week as well.

The mistake in cutting is in trying to target fat loss through caloric deficits. You don't have to eat a deficit to target fat cells for their energy. Likewise, you also don't have to eat a caloric surplus to have fat storage (on a per meal basis). Cardio, Intermittent Fasting, and strategic meal planning can target fat cells for their energy without actually cutting any significant amount of calories.

The fact that you tend to lose tons of muscle mass while losing weight is proof that moderate to large deficits aren't the best case scenario to use.

You've got four different hormonal messages that are possible:

1 - Burn Fat, Burn Muscle (This is the one you spoke of doing, and what many people tend to do when cutting. Too little carbs and alternative fuels like MCT's and BCAA's will result in your body turning to its very own amino acids to help supply muscle contraction energy.)
2 - Store fat, Burn Muscle (Not good at all but huge caloric deficits coupled w/ too much cardio causes this issue by turning on the homeostatic "I'm starving" mechanism.
3 - Store Fat, Build muscle (Typical bulking plans leave you with this result. It's the easier of the two muscle-building options)
4 - Burn Fat, Build muscle (This is what the pro's do. Not many people have had success in this but generally speaking it takes years to arrive at this.)

#4 is what you want. It is slow muscle growth, something like 1-3lbs per month MAX but also losing that same amount in fat mass, too.
 

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It can be done simultaneously, however, the diet must be exact.

I have only found one type of diet that does it well, and that is one that is typical amongst pro bodybuilders. High carb/high protein/low fat diet w/ vigorous training 5-7 times per week, cardio 3-5 days per week as well.

The mistake in cutting is in trying to target fat loss through caloric deficits. You don't have to eat a deficit to target fat cells for their energy. Likewise, you also don't have to eat a caloric surplus to have fat storage (on a per meal basis). Cardio, Intermittent Fasting, and strategic meal planning can target fat cells for their energy without actually cutting any significant amount of calories.

The fact that you tend to lose tons of muscle mass while losing weight is proof that moderate to large deficits aren't the best case scenario to use.

You've got four different hormonal messages that are possible:

1 - Burn Fat, Burn Muscle (This is the one you spoke of doing, and what many people tend to do when cutting. Too little carbs and alternative fuels like MCT's and BCAA's will result in your body turning to its very own amino acids to help supply muscle contraction energy.)
2 - Store fat, Burn Muscle (Not good at all but huge caloric deficits coupled w/ too much cardio causes this issue by turning on the homeostatic "I'm starving" mechanism.
3 - Store Fat, Build muscle (Typical bulking plans leave you with this result. It's the easier of the two muscle-building options)
4 - Burn Fat, Build muscle (This is what the pro's do. Not many people have had success in this but generally speaking it takes years to arrive at this.)

#4 is what you want. It is slow muscle growth, something like 1-3lbs per month MAX but also losing that same amount in fat mass, too.
For sure... I've done 4 before, it seems like my old approaches aren't working how they used to. Which is why it's leading me to believe it is hormonal/endocrine related - given my history.

So if I already follow IF... And do my HIIT 2-3 times a week and LISS once a week, +4-5 high volume lifting days...... I should be focusing on high carb and protein, and low fat? How many g fat and carbs?

I am 170 so I would aim for 200g minimum protein per day.... 170-200h carbs and 30-50g fat?

That's about what I'm at now..... Roughly 2000-2200.... On HIIT days I'm burning 300-400 cals... I do legs on a HIIT day too, so that's gotta be a big burn off.
 
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1.5 to 1; Carb to protein ratio

Shoot for 19 kcals per lb of mass to build it slow. We should take this offline
 

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