Anavar only cycle advice

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Leave Anavar out.

    Get an OTC PH. H-Drol works even better. Heck, H-drol alone could give you 10-15lbs and dry, too. Run something like that with Test.
    Why?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Mp859 View Post
    Why?
    1) Very expensive
    2) Known to be a bunk compound majority of time
    3) Other compounds get the job done easier and cheaper

    H-Drol is not androgenic at all. Oral T (which H-drol converts to) is 100+ anabolic but 0 androgenic. Pretty much serves the same but better purpose as Anavar.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    1) Very expensive
    2) Known to be a bunk compound majority of time
    3) Other compounds get the job done easier and cheaper

    H-Drol is not androgenic at all. Oral T (which H-drol converts to) is 100+ anabolic but 0 androgenic. Pretty much serves the same but better purpose as Anavar.
    I would just get turinabol over hdrol why screw around with the conversion

    Just run straight test and don't even bother with the orals

  4. Ill investigate the pills, packaging etc. whatever it is..... It works, the kid is 230 and single digit bf... I've known him for year he's one if my best friends and if it ISN'T var, he doesn't know.. But I have no reason to think its not at this time.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Mp859 View Post
    I would just get turinabol over hdrol why screw around with the conversion

    Just run straight test and don't even bother with the orals
    Well, every one has preference. H-drol has it's own receptor activity too. So not all has to convert. This would explain the drastic weight gain associated with H-drol.

    For someone like myself, since I'm on TRT and don't need to run an illegal source of test, the benefit of H-drol is that I can have a nice oral cycle on top of my TRT while still being 100% legal. Just a piece of mind for myself and considering the various roles that I play, such things are important to me.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Well, every one has preference. H-drol has it's own receptor activity too. So not all has to convert. This would explain the drastic weight gain associated with H-drol.

    For someone like myself, since I'm on TRT and don't need to run an illegal source of test, the benefit of H-drol is that I can have a nice oral cycle on top of my TRT while still being 100% legal. Just a piece of mind for myself and considering the various roles that I play, such things are important to me.
    I was on TRT but had a "successful" restart. My body comp is still **** even tho my bloods are showing 700-800 (at last check in July) could be much lower now... Should know tomorrow.

  7. Ok. Upon further research and assessment of goals, I'm pretty interested in letro for my chest issues

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    I can't get rid of the fat/water/tissue on my chest. Even when I was anorexic at 90 pounds when I was 18.... I had bigger chest than most men. So I'm thinking letro could reverse this and hopefully keep it from returning- as that is what ive been reading.

    I've seen .25mg a day for general on cycle AI dose, and All the way up to 2.5mg in which people have said that it eliminated existing gyno and it did not return

    I've read too though that there is a STRONG rebound effect when coming off letro.... Is this something to be terribly worried about?? Anyway to lessen it? Would gyno possibly come back, worse?

    And lastly, how would I want to incorporate this into my test e/var cycle?

    Thanks guys.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Ok. Upon further research and assessment of goals, I'm pretty interested in letro for my chest issues

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    I can't get rid of the fat/water/tissue on my chest. Even when I was anorexic at 90 pounds when I was 18.... I had bigger chest than most men. So I'm thinking letro could reverse this and hopefully keep it from returning- as that is what ive been reading.

    I've seen .25mg a day for general on cycle AI dose, and All the way up to 2.5mg in which people have said that it eliminated existing gyno and it did not return

    I've read too though that there is a STRONG rebound effect when coming off letro.... Is this something to be terribly worried about?? Anyway to lessen it? Would gyno possibly come back, worse?

    And lastly, how would I want to incorporate this into my test e/var cycle?

    Thanks guys.
    Bad idea

    If you have gyno use raloxifene

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mp859 View Post

    Bad idea

    If you have gyno use raloxifene
    Ill look into that I don't know if I've ever heard of that... What about aromasin?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mp859 View Post
    Bad idea

    If you have gyno use raloxifene
    Or Nolva.

    Letro will kill estrogen levels beyond a healthy level. Cheda, do you have knots up under your nipples or do you just have saggy tits due to water weight?

    If it's just water weight, then you need to do three things. 1) Get more muscle in the chest. This naturally tightens up the shape of the pec muscle when you increase in lean tissue mass. 2) Push water weight out by taking dandelion root and going to the sauna a few times a week. Drink distillied water only. Cook in distilled water, too when cooking stuff like rice and pasta. 3) Lower your body fat.

  11. Are you sure it's gyno? And if it is from puberty your better off just getting surgery

  12. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Or Nolva.

    Letro will kill estrogen levels beyond a healthy level. Cheda, do you have knots up under your nipples or do you just have saggy tits due to water weight?

    If it's just water weight, then you need to do three things. 1) Get more muscle in the chest. This naturally tightens up the shape of the pec muscle when you increase in lean tissue mass. 2) Push water weight out by taking dandelion root and going to the sauna a few times a week. Drink distillied water only. Cook in distilled water, too when cooking stuff like rice and pasta. 3) Lower your body fat.
    Thanks. I literally just check before i read this. And, no. I don't think I've ever had sensitive/lumpy nipples. It's just very mushy, doesn't even feel like fat, mostly water...

    When I take herbal diuretics It certainly improves dramatically. I was on them from June-August and this must be the rebound? I can't stay on year round? / don't want to.... As long is its healthy tho, I don't see why I shouldn't?

    I also recently took on a new chet training bc I wanted to reduce muscle mass on chest as the reSt of my body is not up to par.... I think I will have to return to my usual routine bc I have been fairly content w my chest the last few years... Not happy by any means, but not this unhappy and it was not this saggy... I don't eat pasta and I buy my brown rice cooked from whole foods or something lol but I can grab distilled water.... Isn't it really bad for your kidneys tho?

    What exercises would u recommend... I want that wide flattened look ...



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  13. I'd just say try losing body fat first. See what happens. I know that when I got up over 12% BF, my chest took a real hit in overall shape and size. It looked tiny compared to my shoulders and had very little definition.

    When I cut down to 9% and packed on 10lbs of mass over the course of 24 months, my chest looks FAR more impressive. Granted, I train it much harder and more strategic now than ever.

    It takes time but really you just need to reduce body fat and pack on muscle mass. Eat clean, eat tons and do moderate amounts of cardio. Start there and make adjustments as you go. Train with intensity and focus on mind/muscle connection, really trying to extract every last bit of energy from your fibers. Heck, at this point when I train chest, I focus on specific quadrants of my chest as I contract and hold the lift. If you have a general problem, think general solutions. If you have a specific problem, think specific solutions.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I'd just say try losing body fat first. See what happens. I know that when I got up over 12% BF, my chest took a real hit in overall shape and size. It looked tiny compared to my shoulders and had very little definition.

    When I cut down to 9% and packed on 10lbs of mass over the course of 24 months, my chest looks FAR more impressive. Granted, I train it much harder and more strategic now than ever.

    It takes time but really you just need to reduce body fat and pack on muscle mass. Eat clean, eat tons and do moderate amounts of cardio. Start there and make adjustments as you go. Train with intensity and focus on mind/muscle connection, really trying to extract every last bit of energy from your fibers. Heck, at this point when I train chest, I focus on specific quadrants of my chest as I contract and hold the lift. If you have a general problem, think general solutions. If you have a specific problem, think specific solutions.
    I'm not really fat tho... Skinny fat I guess.. Like if I all out cut, ill lose so much muscle. I'm at that in between stage...

  15. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I'm not really fat tho... Skinny fat I guess.. Like if I all out cut, ill lose so much muscle. I'm at that in between stage...
    It can be done simultaneously, however, the diet must be exact.

    I have only found one type of diet that does it well, and that is one that is typical amongst pro bodybuilders. High carb/high protein/low fat diet w/ vigorous training 5-7 times per week, cardio 3-5 days per week as well.

    The mistake in cutting is in trying to target fat loss through caloric deficits. You don't have to eat a deficit to target fat cells for their energy. Likewise, you also don't have to eat a caloric surplus to have fat storage (on a per meal basis). Cardio, Intermittent Fasting, and strategic meal planning can target fat cells for their energy without actually cutting any significant amount of calories.

    The fact that you tend to lose tons of muscle mass while losing weight is proof that moderate to large deficits aren't the best case scenario to use.

    You've got four different hormonal messages that are possible:

    1 - Burn Fat, Burn Muscle (This is the one you spoke of doing, and what many people tend to do when cutting. Too little carbs and alternative fuels like MCT's and BCAA's will result in your body turning to its very own amino acids to help supply muscle contraction energy.)
    2 - Store fat, Burn Muscle (Not good at all but huge caloric deficits coupled w/ too much cardio causes this issue by turning on the homeostatic "I'm starving" mechanism.
    3 - Store Fat, Build muscle (Typical bulking plans leave you with this result. It's the easier of the two muscle-building options)
    4 - Burn Fat, Build muscle (This is what the pro's do. Not many people have had success in this but generally speaking it takes years to arrive at this.)

    #4 is what you want. It is slow muscle growth, something like 1-3lbs per month MAX but also losing that same amount in fat mass, too.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    It can be done simultaneously, however, the diet must be exact.

    I have only found one type of diet that does it well, and that is one that is typical amongst pro bodybuilders. High carb/high protein/low fat diet w/ vigorous training 5-7 times per week, cardio 3-5 days per week as well.

    The mistake in cutting is in trying to target fat loss through caloric deficits. You don't have to eat a deficit to target fat cells for their energy. Likewise, you also don't have to eat a caloric surplus to have fat storage (on a per meal basis). Cardio, Intermittent Fasting, and strategic meal planning can target fat cells for their energy without actually cutting any significant amount of calories.

    The fact that you tend to lose tons of muscle mass while losing weight is proof that moderate to large deficits aren't the best case scenario to use.

    You've got four different hormonal messages that are possible:

    1 - Burn Fat, Burn Muscle (This is the one you spoke of doing, and what many people tend to do when cutting. Too little carbs and alternative fuels like MCT's and BCAA's will result in your body turning to its very own amino acids to help supply muscle contraction energy.)
    2 - Store fat, Burn Muscle (Not good at all but huge caloric deficits coupled w/ too much cardio causes this issue by turning on the homeostatic "I'm starving" mechanism.
    3 - Store Fat, Build muscle (Typical bulking plans leave you with this result. It's the easier of the two muscle-building options)
    4 - Burn Fat, Build muscle (This is what the pro's do. Not many people have had success in this but generally speaking it takes years to arrive at this.)

    #4 is what you want. It is slow muscle growth, something like 1-3lbs per month MAX but also losing that same amount in fat mass, too.
    For sure... I've done 4 before, it seems like my old approaches aren't working how they used to. Which is why it's leading me to believe it is hormonal/endocrine related - given my history.

    So if I already follow IF... And do my HIIT 2-3 times a week and LISS once a week, +4-5 high volume lifting days...... I should be focusing on high carb and protein, and low fat? How many g fat and carbs?

    I am 170 so I would aim for 200g minimum protein per day.... 170-200h carbs and 30-50g fat?

    That's about what I'm at now..... Roughly 2000-2200.... On HIIT days I'm burning 300-400 cals... I do legs on a HIIT day too, so that's gotta be a big burn off.

  17. 1.5 to 1; Carb to protein ratio

    Shoot for 19 kcals per lb of mass to build it slow. We should take this offline
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