Serving the Iron Legion: Mithras, Epistane, and Trenavar

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Word, learning experience for me. Hyde is a great addition to any cycle!!
    Appreciate it brother

    Quote Originally Posted by SPLocal View Post
    Yes this cycle will go up to and including the meet; as Hyde said, PCT is not when you want to be competing.
    If I qualify for the November meet, however, that may be a bit of an issue but we will see.

    I've got plenty of Aegis on hand so things should be okay from a support perspective. I'd also like to buy some Talos once my paycheck rolls in.
    Talos is the only cycle aid I've ever found to be truly up to snuff so far - the mild stuff is fine with very mild cycles. 6 caps of Talos is a good dose of Coq10 & SAMe - what you're really paying for. Stacked with TUDCA is a potent shield.

    As for the meet, depending on time in between you could run a blitz 15-20 day PCT of a bottle of Clomid, Nolva, an AI, & immediately go back on a very fast acting oral like Sdrol/M1T, etc, then complete another PCT immediately following the comp to let your body rest for a longer offtime. But there are health, money, & even potentially blowing out of your weightclass considerations there. I'd do that over staying on thru the 2nd comp easy - being shutdown that long at your age is asking for TRT by age 30.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    Appreciate it brother



    Talos is the only cycle aid I've ever found to be truly up to snuff so far - the mild stuff is fine with very mild cycles. 6 caps of Talos is a good dose of Coq10 & SAMe - what you're really paying for. Stacked with TUDCA is a potent shield.

    As for the meet, depending on time in between you could run a blitz 15-20 day PCT of a bottle of Clomid, Nolva, an AI, & immediately go back on a very fast acting oral like Sdrol/M1T, etc, then complete another PCT immediately following the comp to let your body rest for a longer offtime. But there are health, money, & even potentially blowing out of your weightclass considerations there. I'd do that over staying on thru the 2nd comp easy - being shutdown that long at your age is asking for TRT by age 30.
    I am an Antaeus Labs/Iron Legion fanboy to the core. In fact AL supports are the only things I shell out the cash for and I won't run cycles without them.

    I was thinking of saving the cash (and my organs) and opting for an aggressive PCT: Clomid/Nolva/AI (Exemenstane) along with X-Gels and some Forskolin. I also typically run LCLT year-round but I'm out at the moment, though it has so many benefits I should just keep some on hand.
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  3. Nice log sub'd to see how the meet treats yah

  4. 27 Days Out: Legs Complex A
    --Power Movement--
    BB Deadlift: 350x3, 400x3, 450x3, 460x1, 470x1, 485x1, 490x1
    --SST Movement--
    BB Squat: 240x3, 280x3, 320x3, 340x1 (65/75/85/90%)
    --Volume Accessory--
    BB Deadlift: 325x5, 375x5, 405x5 (65/75/80%)
    Leg Extension: Unilateral/Bilateral until I could no longer walk properly

    I love deadlifting. If I could perform one lift for the rest of my life it would be the deadlift.
    Things are running smoothly thus far. I believe I will keep the triples for both the Power/SST movements to familiarize myself with moving heavier percentages on the Big 3 in a fatigued state. If possible, I will bump up the increments of singles for the SST portion.

    Also, I figure I should start logging my calories again. Despite putting down ~4k almost daily for the past several weeks I'm weighing in at about 183 thus far.

    Consumption:
    Meal A: 200g chicken breast, 4 pcs Ezekiel bread, 2 tbsp peanut butter
    Meal B: 200g chicken breast, 5 cups of Special K cereal (don't judge me)
    Meal C: 500g cottage cheese, 2 pcs Ezekiel bread, assorted veggies
    Meal D: 400g cottage cheese, 4 tbsp peanut butter, assorted veggies

    ~3500kcal, 140g fat, 275g carb, 275g prot

  5. This meets gon be good....
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    This meets gon be good....
    We will see, I'd like to hit 185 before then but my body will do what it wants. Regardless I plan on busting my ass these next few weeks. I'm sure nerves/anxiety will take their toll on my total...or things could flip and I'll do much better than I expected.

    Personally, I just want to get one of those obligatory PL'er pictures of my deadlift lockout.

  7. 26 Days Out: Press Complex A
    --Power Movement--
    BB Flat: 210x3, 240x3, 270x3, 280x1 (with commands), 285x1 (with commands), 290x1, 295x1 (touch-and-go)
    --SST Movement--
    BB CGBP: 185x5, 210x5, 240x5
    --Accessories--
    BB Flat: 185x10, 185x10, 185x10
    DB Flat: 100x3, 100x3, 100x3, 90x5 (alternating press: one arm maintains an extended hold while the other presses, then they alternate)
    DB Lateral Raise: 15x10, 15x10, 20x10, 20x10, 20x10
    Cable Tricep Pressdown: 100 repetitions

    Another solid session. I'm meeting the benchmarks I've set thus far for command work and the touch-and-go singles are to get me more comfortable with my heaviest loads. Next week, I will attempt 290 with commands.

    Trenavar seems to be facilitating things nicely but I'm carrying a bit of water. Either that or I'm getting fat! We will see when the cycle is done and things dissipate. Weight gain hasn't been anything too crazy (started at 176lbs or so, currently at 183) so I'm guessing theres a deal of water retention involved.

    Consumption:
    Meal A: 200g chicken breast, 4 cups Special K cereal, 200g cottage cheese
    Meal B: 100g chicken breast, 200g cottage cheese, 8tbsp peanut butter
    Meal C: 300g cottage cheese, 4 pcs Ezekiel bread

  8. Quote Originally Posted by SPLocal View Post
    Personally, I just want to get one of those obligatory PL'er pictures of my deadlift lockout.
    it's funny because it's true.

    Bench is coming right along man. From what I've read, people don't seem to be gaining much weight on Mithras. Some glycogen retention & greatly increased capacity to lift mainly. And moderate strength gains. But not quite the cannon they were expecting with the pheraplex base...but Methylsten, which is di-methyl-1test, certainly is much drier & less powerful than M1T, so this stands to reason from my ignorant casual observation that a dimethyl phera would go the same route. But people really enjoy msten (I know I did), so that's been similar as well.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    it's funny because it's true.

    Bench is coming right along man. From what I've read, people don't seem to be gaining much weight on Mithras. Some glycogen retention & greatly increased capacity to lift mainly. And moderate strength gains. But not quite the cannon they were expecting with the pheraplex base...but Methylsten, which is di-methyl-1test, certainly is much drier & less powerful than M1T, so this stands to reason from my ignorant casual observation that a dimethyl phera would go the same route. But people really enjoy msten (I know I did), so that's been similar as well.
    I think a post I read by a PHF member summed up Mithras the best: it is icing on a PH cake. Surprisingly it seems that Methyldiazirinol has overshadowed its brother, and in fact my next cycle will be Triumphalis + Legio-X (with fall/winter approaching I'm sure Legio logs will sprout up). I do think Triumphalis + Dienazone or Mithras + Dienazone are both effective and versatile stacks. I love Dienolone and I do in fact think it is one of the few compounds I'd recommend to any and all powerlifters. Triumphalis recomp effects and Mithras strength gains would also compliment any run oriented towards strength or maintainable gains.

    Thinking ahead I am also trying to focus on the battle for strength gain maintenance once PCT comes around. I do think (rather, I know) that I'll dry out a bit once I come off and that's okay with me.

    Thus far I've got some X-Gels, Forskolin-95, bulk LCLT, and a tub of PF3 along with serms/ai's to last quite a while. I tend to rebound pretty well from my runs with regards to strength, and now that I won't be doing any of the form-readjusting bull**** that dropped all my previous lifts I have nowhere to go but up. Of course its easier said than done.

  10. I really think you'll be g2g - as long as the serms/ais are there, DAA, & I prefer some kind of natty gimmick (like the x-gels, which are one of the most touted gimmicks out there). You've got your bases covered. Strength is a lot of things - and I think, largely, a personal decision. It's a mindset you choose to adopt. If you know you will, you can.
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  11. Regarding your cycle if you do qualify, you could always do a bridge to a non methyl stack and then bridge back to the good stuff before the second comp. there's plenty of options out there that aren't liver toxic and generally a lot milder, you may even add some #s on to your total by not coming off in between.

  12. 25 Days Out--Pull Complex A and Legs Complex B
    --Power Movements--
    BB Squat: 150x5, 185x5, 225x5, 260x3, 300x3, 335x3, 350x1, 360x1
    BB Deadlift: 315x5, 365x5, 385x1, 410x1, 425x1, 435x1, 455x1, 315x5
    DB Row: 70x10, 80x10, 90x10, 100x10, 100x10, 100x10, 110x10, 110x10, 120x10
    --Volume Accessories--
    Leg Extension, Unilateral: 45x10, 60x10, 90x10, 105x10, 120x10, 105x10, 90x10, 60x10, 45x10
    DB Shrug: 40x10, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10, 80x10, 90x10, 100x10, 110x10, 120x15
    Superset:
    BB Curl: 75x10, 75x10, 75x10, 75x10, 40x10, 40x10, 40x10
    Cable Straight-Arm Pulldown: 110x10, 120x10, 130x10, 140x10, 120x10, 110x10

    So its roughly 11AM or so and I may or may not have already consumed 300g of carbohydrates.
    I will be taking tomorrow off!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post
    Regarding your cycle if you do qualify, you could always do a bridge to a non methyl stack and then bridge back to the good stuff before the second comp. there's plenty of options out there that aren't liver toxic and generally a lot milder, you may even add some #s on to your total by not coming off in between.
    Its a possibility but without a test base I'm hesitant to stay on for so long. If I were to qualify for the IPL Worlds it would be a 10 week cycle in total and I'd have to take a sizable chunk of time off after PCT before touching anything remotely anabolic.

    I will keep this in mind however, possibly bringing in Dienolone if I were to do such a thing. But as it stands I have to qualify first!

  14. 10wks isn't crazy at all, but it's a long time to be in deep suppression at such a young age - you could never hope to fully recover. Not worth it IMHO. There will be time for longer cycles in your 30s, dig?
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  15. 24 Days Out--Press Complex B
    --Power Movement--
    BB Flat: 225x3, 255x3, 265x1, 275x1, 285x1, 290x1, 300x1, 300x1, 305x1 (touch and go)
    --SST Movement--
    BB OHP: 120x8, 135x8, 140x6
    --Accessories--
    DB Flat (alternating static hold/press): 100x5, 100x5, 100x5, 110x3
    DB Laterals: 15x12, 15x12, 15x12
    Cable Tricep Pressdown: 100x12, 110x12, 120x12

    Yes, today was supposed to be an off day. I woke up and knew I could beat Monday's 295 and I did just that.
    Recovery has easily been my favorite part of this entire cycle. Weight gains haven't been anything excessive, and I've put on a bit of fat as well since I graduated. But to go to the gym and set multiple PRs in one week, alone and with proper form, and do alternating static hold/presses with the 110 DB's: I don't have the words to describe that. It's badass and fun. I speculate that those of us who cycle enjoy this aspect of things more than we'd like to admit. Everyone loves size/strength gains, but recovery and endurance take the cake for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    10wks isn't crazy at all, but it's a long time to be in deep suppression at such a young age - you could never hope to fully recover. Not worth it IMHO. There will be time for longer cycles in your 30s, dig?
    The more I consider it, I do not think I will enter the World's even if I qualify. It is so soon after the October meet that any improvement in my performance would be minimal at best: regardless of whether I'm on cycle or in PCT. I'm currently reviewing the records for my federation and weight class and trying to put together some long-term plans regarding what I want to pursue with my strength/physique (the former obviously takes precedence).

  16. Awesome bud simply awesome. Can't say as I've ever broke two Pr in the same week on the same exercise ever.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    Awesome bud simply awesome. Can't say as I've ever broke two Pr in the same week on the same exercise ever.
    I'm going to attribute this to Mithras, as Epistane isn't quite known for strength gains until higher doses are used.
    I'm sure part of it has to do with my increased comfort under heavy weight, and the mentality that if I can push X, I have no excuse not to push X+5lbs in 2-3 weeks. Overall I think splitting my bench singles between full competition pause reps and touch-and-go contributes to bolstering my confidence and comfort levels. If I had not hit 300 today, I would have been much more anxious to try 290 paused next week.

    Also, as an AF rep: thoughts on AF Focus for PCT use? Something like that could play a unique role in keeping my head straight for post-meet strength maintenance.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    10wks isn't crazy at all, but it's a long time to be in deep suppression at such a young age - you could never hope to fully recover. Not worth it IMHO. There will be time for longer cycles in your 30s, dig?
    Oh, does that mean since I am 31 that I can do a 10 week SD cycle?

    Just kidding..

  19. Quote Originally Posted by SPLocal View Post
    I'm going to attribute this to Mithras, as Epistane isn't quite known for strength gains until higher doses are used.
    I'm sure part of it has to do with my increased comfort under heavy weight, and the mentality that if I can push X, I have no excuse not to push X+5lbs in 2-3 weeks. Overall I think splitting my bench singles between full competition pause reps and touch-and-go contributes to bolstering my confidence and comfort levels. If I had not hit 300 today, I would have been much more anxious to try 290 paused next week.

    Also, as an AF rep: thoughts on AF Focus for PCT use? Something like that could play a unique role in keeping my head straight for post-meet strength maintenance.
    Yea having confidence and believing you can do something can make a big difference.

    As far as using AF Focus during Pct it a vary mild product as far a surpression goes but it would Probly still hamper your return to normal testosterone production. If you decide you want to try it some time shoot me a Pm we have a couple codes available right now
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post

    Oh, does that mean since I am 31 that I can do a 10 week SD cycle?

    Just kidding..
    Yeah of course you can, 10 weeks at 50mg is where it's at...... Haha joking

  21. Since you where curios about Focus thought I'd let you know where doing a logging promo for it.

    Androfactory Focus Logging opportunity!GET ON THIS!
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    As far as using AF Focus during Pct it a vary mild product as far a surpression goes but it would Probly still hamper your return to normal testosterone production.
    I'd have to agree with Danimal here: Focus is one of our mildest products at AF, & dosed as directed for 4wks solo I'd personally feel safe not even following with a full PCT, perhaps a natty tbooster if anything. But a steroid is a steroid - Focus is an exogenous hormone source in the body, and if you're attempting to reach full homeostasis as fast as possible you need to keep it 100% about natty production.

    Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    Since you where curios about Focus thought I'd let you know where doing a logging promo for it.

    Androfactory Focus Logging opportunity!GET ON THIS!
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  23. 23 Days Out: Deadlift Festival
    --Pre-Training Meal--
    x200g Chicken Breast
    x400g Cottage Cheese
    x4 pcs Ezekiel Bread
    x1 packed Belvita breakfast biscuits
    x30g peanuts

    ~1800kcal, 80g fat, 125g carb, 135g prot
    --Power Movement--
    BB Deadlift: 320x3, 370x3, 405x1, 430x1, 460x1, 480x1, 495x1, 500x1, 405x5, 315x10 (no belt for anything)
    --Accessories--
    HS Leg Press, plates per side: 3x5, 4x5, 5x5, 6x5, 6.5x5
    DB Row: 90x10, 100x10, 110x10, 120x10
    Cable Straight-Arm Pulldown: 100x10, 120x10, 130x10, 130x10
    DB Hammer Curl: 20x10, 30x10, 40x10, 30x10, 20x10
    HS Leg Extension, Unilateral: 45x10, 60x10, 70x10, 80x10, 90x10, 105x10, 90x10, 80x10, 70x10
    Cable Upright Row: 100x12, 110x12, 120x12, 110x12, 100x12

    It is done. 500x1. I wanted it and I wanted it this week, as there is no time to waste before the meet.

    Goals for next week:
    290x1 paused bench
    380x1 below-parallel squat
    500x1 repeat on the deadlift or a 505 pull

    I'm having a lot of fun with this run. I will fight tooth and nail to keep my achievements post-cycle.

  24. Well you just best my best dead lift by 135lbs lol continuing to impress
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by NADDANME View Post
    Since you where curios about Focus thought I'd let you know where doing a logging promo for it.

    Androfactory Focus Logging opportunity!GET ON THIS!
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde View Post
    I'd have to agree with Danimal here: Focus is one of our mildest products at AF, & dosed as directed for 4wks solo I'd personally feel safe not even following with a full PCT, perhaps a natty tbooster if anything. But a steroid is a steroid - Focus is an exogenous hormone source in the body, and if you're attempting to reach full homeostasis as fast as possible you need to keep it 100% about natty production.



    Everybody loves a free cycle
    I saw the logging opportunity and figured I'd get your feedback; product looks interesting and feedback seems positive thus far but I agree--probably best to go full natural during PCT. I will be keeping it in mind for future runs though.

    Also Hyde when did you become an AF rep?

    I like to think I'd be a good forum rep given the amount of time I spend here and on PHF.
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