[log] Reconstructing the Baws with Epi/ Tren/ Stano

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  1. I think you should only use iso movements on lacking body parts. Either iso or just do them twice a week. Like calves or forearms. I've done that with lats and it works amazing
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas


  2. Hope everyone had a good 4th of July. I smashed some fools in a marshmallow fight haha, its good to be back in the USA!

    a quick recap:
    wednesday 3rd OFF, went to the fair with my family, stayed away from all the chocolate covered deep fried foods and went with beef brisket
    thursday 4th: Chest day (shoulder was still bothering me on incline so i just did a bunch of sets of 185) at the end of my workout i wanted to see how much the shoulder could take and only got up to 95lb dumbbells, hopefully its good to go by next week. Diet was crap, burrito, beer, pizza, the usual 4th of july binge
    Friday 5th: ate my normal meals so far today and will be hitting back and hamstrings in a little bit, was gonna weigh in but might wait until sunday after the carnage my body went through yesterday haha
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html
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  3. This is really a good log man. We really need to get more people following it. Bump city! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  4. Training: Back and Hammys

    workout out with my buddy on the 1.2g of test, had to dig deep inside myself to keep up with him haha

    Lat Pull (compound set with CG standing Lat Pull 3x15)
    165x15
    180x15
    210x8
    210x8
    210x8

    V Grip Lat Pull
    165x12
    180x10
    180x10

    Barbell Row
    185x12
    225x8
    245x7
    245x7

    HS High Row
    190x15
    280x12
    370x5 (biggest cheat reps ever)
    strip set from 370 to 100 (one plate at a time, one arm at a time)

    Seated Cable Row
    160x15
    180x12
    180x12
    180x12

    Lying Leg Curl
    90x15
    105x12
    105x12
    105x11

    Seated Leg Curl
    180x20
    210x15
    210x15
    210x15

    Updates:
    Lower back has a constant tight feeling the last few days... almost sore, did 12g of taurine today but im not seeing that much difference
    Definitely feeling increased endurance in the gym and between set recovery is faster
    clothing is tight again (had to buy new belts when i dieted for the contest) and
    my GF is comin into town on monday for the next 2 months so ill start doing some LISS at night and maybe some hill sprints of days off from the gym so i dont get too fat from these extra calories, but since this is still a bulk im not concerned with fat gain, just wanna keep it min to average
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  5. Diet 7/05

    Calories: 2100
    Pro: 188g
    Cho: 185g
    Fat: 67g

    Date Breakfast Lunch Dinner Snacks
    07/05/13 1 cup, regular or quick Oats, uncooked

    1 tablespoon Barbecue (bbq) sauce

    1 tablespoon Barbecue (bbq) sauce

    2 slice Avocado, raw




    6 ounce(s) cooked, no bone Beef, steak, fried, lean only eaten

    6 ounce(s) cooked, no bone Beef, steak, fried, lean only eaten

    1 large steak Beef, steak, grilled or broiled, lean only eaten




    1 regular slice Bread, 100% whole wheat

    1 tablespoon Coconut oil

    1 cup Lettuce, green or red leaf




    cup Lentils, cooked (no salt or fat added)

    1 medium Plantain, ripe, raw

    1 tablespoon Peanut butter




    cup Rice, brown, regular, cooked (no salt or fat added)



    medium potato (5" long) Sweet potato (yam), baked (no salt added), peel eaten








    6 cherry tomato Tomato, raw



    Additional:
    30g whey in breakfast oats
    30g whey post workout
    30g Elite XT before bed with peanut butter
    2x 200cal Oh Yeah Protein bars
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html
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  6. Are you using a diet tracking application of some sort?

  7. Jeeze! posting at 4am!? And PCT is going very well when using clomid, daa. throwing in the AI next week. still using cycle and liver supports plus my normal supps. Going very well. Strength is still up
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Axillist View Post
    Are you using a diet tracking application of some sort?
    Yeah I use SuperTracker put out by the USDA... Keeps telling me I need to set a weight goal that is healthy LOL I tried to put in 225lbs as my goal and it gave me an error message
    It's easy to use and keeps a history and shows vitamin/mineral breakdown as well
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Zach Strom View Post
    Jeeze! posting at 4am!? And PCT is going very well when using clomid, daa. throwing in the AI next week. still using cycle and liver supports plus my normal supps. Going very well. Strength is still up
    4am like a boss

    Naw I'm in Cali so it was midnight or 1am when I posted (took a 2 hr nap yesterday after driving an hour home early in the morning from stayin at my friends in San Diego)

    Got shoulders later today, might be working out with a friend again, hopefully cause I wanted to see if I could start adding some lbs to my dbell shoulder press
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  10. Ah Cali you lucky mother ****er. I'm across the country in Connecticut! Got a pool party tomorrow for a younger friend who's going to Boston University so you better believe, the aesthetics are going to be in full force. People gonna be chasin their drinks with some mirin
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas

  11. Yours truly is looking at competing in an NPC show next year some time. It'd be a debut for me. I just want to prep until then. Any advice dude for a new competitor?
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas

  12. I'll definitely have to look into that tracker for my next log. I've been maintaining a diet this pro bodybuilder at my gym told me about. Lost about 15 pounds in 2 months and I'm totally pumped to start the same stack you are doing in August. I've been contemplating doing low dose SD instead of Epi though. I have pretty bad joints as is. I'm not a huge fan of SD but I stockpiled that crap before the ban.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Zach Strom View Post
    Yours truly is looking at competing in an NPC show next year some time. It'd be a debut for me. I just want to prep until then. Any advice dude for a new competitor?
    Well if you are going to stay lean (under 12%) year round then keep lean bulking and keep your bf % under 15 or it might be annoying and painful to diet for the 12-14 weeks
    if you stay at 12% (with minimal cardio) then your pre contest diet should be pretty smooth cause once you add in cardio and play with your carbs you will lean out pretty quick
    i guess you just gotta find out how carbs effect your physique and your training, but i think you mentioned you were going to do a physique competition so you wont need to "bulk" and add a bunch of mass

    Quote Originally Posted by Axillist View Post
    I'll definitely have to look into that tracker for my next log. I've been maintaining a diet this pro bodybuilder at my gym told me about. Lost about 15 pounds in 2 months and I'm totally pumped to start the same stack you are doing in August. I've been contemplating doing low dose SD instead of Epi though. I have pretty bad joints as is. I'm not a huge fan of SD but I stockpiled that crap before the ban.
    theres many online free trackers out there but in college we had to log our meals for a week as part of an assignment in a nutrition course so im used to it
    2 of my 3 friends who used SD had flare ups and lethargy like none other so be careful!
    they usually stopped at 3 weeks and did 20mg throughout
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  14. Training: Shoulders (a lil traps thrown in at the end)

    Seated Dbell Press (shoulder felt good!)
    65x15
    65x15
    75x12
    85x8
    90x6
    90x6

    Seated Side Raise 3x35x15 (same lift that tweaked my shoulder last week so dropped weight a bit)
    compound set with Plate Upright Rows 3x45x12

    Leaning Side Raise 3x35x12

    HS Sho Press
    1st Set: Stripset 170x12 150x?? 100x??
    2nd Set: Stripset 200x7 150x?? 100??

    (shoulders dead)

    Rear Delt Deck 3x80x20

    Barbell Shrugs
    225x20
    315x15
    365x15

    Update:
    Lower Back is still tight, and no amount of taurine is helping LOL, but its just a minor inconvenience right now
    Shoulder held up pretty well today, only rare clicking and locking
    Best part of today was i didnt even notice my left elbow which usually gives me trouble on any pushing movements (9g fish oil + IML JointRx + joint formula in orange triad + lots of H2O)
    neighbors invited us over for carne asada and they ordered the UFC fights tonight (not really my thing, but hey... carne asada is my thing!)

    went to the farmers market and saw sweet potatoes (3 diff types) for $1.50/lb (and being the bargain shopper i am i got 6 lbs) and was excited as the grocery stores are usually $1.89-$2/lb
    BUT
    went to a new market for the first time today and... they had the same 3 types of sweet potato for .... $0.99/lb FML ... epic fail
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  15. I think it'd be easier for me to stay lean year round, that way when im say 16-12 weeks out it won't be as bad as if I was above 12-13%. I could shred up real fast. Just gonna try and focus a lean bulk I think. Carbs are my killer normally. But once I drop them, I cut up so quickly
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas

  16. Nice job with those shoulder presses! Good weight! I've done a few runs with SD and I always get great gains. I just hate the sides more than anything. With Epi my joints were sore but I still felt really good. I still look forward to seeing how the Epi/Tren treats you.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Axillist View Post
    Nice job with those shoulder presses! Good weight! I've done a few runs with SD and I always get great gains. I just hate the sides more than anything. With Epi my joints were sore but I still felt really good. I still look forward to seeing how the Epi/Tren treats you.
    As far as I can compare it to my last Epi run:
    Strength/endurance is increasing earlier (attributed to the tren)
    "ON" feeling in the gym and during some of the day came faster than epi solo (also dosing epi higher this time)
    Still waiting for the 24/7 ON feeling
    Lethargy hasn't kicked in (first week was obviously jet lag) but week 3 was where epi gave lethargy last time
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  18. Trust me dude, that lethargy will kick in bad when you up that Epi dose enough...it was such a bitch haha I was always tired and out of it. Going to a pool party today for a friend. Gonna drown everyone in a bit of mirin'
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Zach Strom View Post
    Trust me dude, that lethargy will kick in bad when you up that Epi dose enough...it was such a bitch haha I was always tired and out of it. Going to a pool party today for a friend. Gonna drown everyone in a bit of mirin'
    Flexin n Textin bro!



    Diet (yesterday 6/7)

    same type of meals as usual except the carne asada for dinner cause our neighbors just got back in town... they used thin cut sirloin for the carne and corn tortillas and homemade guacamole (gotta love havin mexican neighbors!)

    Calories: 2650
    Pro: 252g
    Cho: 242g
    Fat: 74g

    Additional
    30g whey in oats for breakfast
    30g whey post workout
    200 cal Oh Yeah protein bar (im getting addicted to these lil bars)
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  20. yesterday off, stepdads birthday so just kinda hung around the house and people came over had some grilled steak and chicken

    today hitting Quad dominant legs and picking my GF up at the airport (gonna suck to sit in the car for 3 hours after legs though!)
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  21. At the party the other day, must of had my day's worth of protein just being there. Grilled chicken galore along with steaks. I was set spot on!
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas

  22. Training: Quad Dominant Legs

    Squats
    135x15
    135x15
    225x12
    225x12
    315x8
    315x8
    **lower back was pumpin HARD... tried to sit back and keep good form but couldnt get more weight out today

    Hack Squat
    225x15
    315x12
    405x10
    455x8
    495x6

    Leg Press (tried to pump these reps out and focus on explosion "out of the hole" and kept weight a little lighter than normal)
    585x15
    675x15
    765x12
    765x12

    Leg Ext (feelin' z pummmp)
    170x15
    200x12
    200x12
    215x12


    had 10 oz sweet potatoes post workout with 6oz chicken and was still hungry so fried up some plantains in coconut oil... SO BOMB

    coconut oil gives me a lil' energy boost too i notice... probably the MCTs???


    gonna drive down and swoop my GF from the airport... she will be stayin with me for the duration of the cycle so expect some cardio to be put in now (FML)
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  23. Quad Day (yesterday) Diet

    Calories: 2570
    Pro: 210g
    Cho: 290g
    Fat: 66g

    Additional
    30g whey in oats for breakfast
    30g whey post workout
    handful of chips and salsa
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  24. Training: Arms/Abs

    EZ Bar Curl
    40x15
    70x15
    90x12
    110x8
    110x8

    Incline Alt. Dbell Curl 3x45x8

    HS Preacher Curl (dropset) 3 sets of 70lbs (15 reps) drop to 45lbs (12-15 reps)

    V-Bar Pushdown
    150x15
    170x15
    190x12
    200x10

    Overhead Tri Ext Machine (new) 4x70x12

    D-Bell Curl 3x50x10
    superset with Cable Kickbacks 3x30x15 to 20 reps

    Ab Crunch Machine 3x125x25
    Decline Side Twists 3x20x25
    2 sets of a random ab circuit with my gf and sister

    PM Cardio:
    LISS 33 min hill walk, 2.2miles (~15 min/mile pace)

    Diet
    Calories: 2550
    Pro: 226g
    Cho: 271g
    Fat: 66g

    Additional
    30g whey post workout
    a few dark covered choc raisins that I bought my gf



    couldn't figure out how to organize my diet like the first week, but found a different way to analyze the info if you are interested..

    the following list is organized like this...
    Type of Food
    Amount (total for the day)
    Amount of Grains in the food
    Amount counted as Vegetables
    Amount counted as Fruits
    Amount counted as Dairy
    Amount counted as Protein Foods
    Amount counted as Oils
    Protein (g)
    Carbohydrate (g)
    Dietary Fiber (g)
    Total Fat (g)

    Beans, green (string), fresh, cooked (no salt or fat added)
    cup
    0 oz.
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    2 g
    7 g
    3 g
    0% Calories

    Beef, steak, grilled or broiled, lean only eaten
    14 ounce(s) cooked, no bone; 1 small steak
    0 oz.
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    18 oz.
    0 tsp.
    153 g
    0 g
    0 g
    11% Calories

    Bread, pita, 100% whole wheat
    1 medium pita (5-1/4" across)
    2 oz.
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    4 g
    25 g
    3 g
    0% Calories

    Broccoli, fresh, cooked (no salt or fat added)
    1 cup, cut stalks
    0 oz.
    1 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    4 g
    11 g
    5 g
    0% Calories

    Cookie, fig bar (Fig Newton)
    4 Newton bar (1-1/2" long, 1-3/8" wide)
    1 oz.
    0 cup(s)
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    2 g
    45 g
    3 g
    2% Calories

    Cucumber, raw
    cup, sliced
    0 oz.
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    0 g
    1 g
    0 g
    0% Calories

    Egg substitute, (Egg Beaters) scrambled, cooked with non stick spray
    1 cup, cooked
    0 oz.
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    cup(s)
    3 oz.
    4 tsp.
    19 g
    6 g
    0 g
    0% Calories

    Granola, homemade
    cup
    oz.
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    oz.
    1 tsp.
    5 g
    16 g
    3 g
    3% Calories

    Greek yogurt, plain, fat free
    1 container (6 oz)
    0 oz.
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    18 g
    7 g
    0 g
    0% Calories

    Hummus
    3 tablespoon
    0 oz.
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    1 oz.
    1 tsp.
    2 g
    9 g
    2 g
    1% Calories

    Lettuce, green or red leaf
    1 cup
    0 oz.
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    1 g
    1 g
    1 g
    0% Calories

    Mushroom, raw
    cup, pieces or slices
    0 oz.
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    1 g
    1 g
    0 g
    0% Calories

    Olive oil
    1 tablespoon
    0 oz.
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    3 tsp.
    0 g
    0 g
    0 g
    5% Calories

    Onion, fresh, cooked (no salt or fat added)
    cup
    0 oz.
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    1 g
    5 g
    1 g
    0% Calories

    Pepper, green, cooked (no salt or fat added)
    cup
    0 oz.
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    1 g
    7 g
    1 g
    0% Calories

    Pepper, red, cooked (no salt or fat added)
    cup
    0 oz.
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    1 g
    7 g
    1 g
    0% Calories

    Spinach, raw
    1 cup
    0 oz.
    cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    1 g
    1 g
    1 g
    0% Calories

    Sweet potato (yam), baked (no salt added), peel eaten
    3 medium potato (5" long)
    0 oz.
    2 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    11 g
    114 g
    19 g
    0% Calories

    Tomato, raw
    6 cherry tomato; medium whole (2-3/5" across)
    0 oz.
    1 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 cup(s)
    0 oz.
    0 tsp.
    1 g
    6 g
    2 g
    0% Calories

    since I cant figure out how to organize the food log better from the online tracker I wont be logging the specifics anymore, just the overall macros
    if there is something fairly different for the day then ill include it in a note


    enough of the boring stuff!

    Tomorrow is time to move the doses UP.. YEAHHH
    EPI dose up to 50 from 40
    STANO dose up to 750 from 600
    TREN will stay at 90
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  25. inb4 Rob Riches...
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas

  26. Hate how family/ friends don't understand the dieting and training...
    I'm not even pre contest and don't have a strict goal in mind and feel like I'm lenient enough while bulking and still I get crap from fat/ unhealthy/ out of shape / unmotivated family members or friends.

    Roid Rage Rant over

    Gonna hit chest later today supposed to be an off/cardio day but have some family events and an old friends brothers 21 birthday coming up so might have to take an extra day off this weekend.
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  27. Training 7/10 Chest

    Dbell Bench
    60x15
    70x15
    85x12
    95x10
    105x8

    HS Decline
    190x15
    280x12
    280x12
    280x12

    HS Incline
    150x15
    200x10
    200x10
    200x10

    Pec Deck 3x180x15
    superset pushups 3x BWx 20

    Cable Fly
    70x15
    90x15

    Update
    Shoulder felt stable throughout pressing movements
    Elbow was tender but didn't give the sharp, knife pain that sometimes comes with chest or shoulder presses
    happy to go from 95lb dbell bench (last week, shoulder was hurting) to 105lbs... getting the 8 out without a spot was nice. gonna go heavier next week and try and get one of my friends to come spot me


    EDIT: Diet Info

    Calories: 2055
    Pro: 215g
    Cho: 217g
    Fat: 16%

    Additional
    30g whey in breakfast oats
    30g whey post workout
    400 cal Supreme Protein bar (took vanadyl sulfate/ALA post workout and heated up my sweet potato but remembered I had to get something at the store for my GF and forgot to take my sweet potato out of the microwave! grabbed a protein bar to get something in me or else the VS/ALA combo woulda had me so drowsy!)
    Last edited by smshannon001; 07-11-2013 at 02:39 PM. Reason: adding diet
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  28. What can you contribute to the tren/epi? Like which gains
    "Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, an hour or a day, or even a year. If I quit however, it will last forever"
    -Eric Thomas

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Zach Strom View Post
    What can you contribute to the tren/epi? Like which gains
    As far as I can tell from my solo epi run in the past...

    Epi Solo Before
    Increased recovery after first week
    Increased strength after second week
    ON / dominant well being feeling in 3/4th weeks
    Skin slightly more oily on forehead and armpit areas
    Slight/ if any lower back pumps at the end (but I was dead lifting heavier and more often)
    Pretty tight tib anterior on LISS incline treadmill walking

    Epi/Tren Now
    Increased recovery days into the cycle, can continue working out even after I've done more than enough
    MAD pumps in the gym that are stronger than my 4th week of epi solo already
    Lower back pumps came earlier in the cycle (only slight if any on epi solo towards the end)
    Tib anterior pumps are more intense (hill walk was almost painful last night)
    I'm hoping my strength increase (on the shoulder and dbell bench) is from my shoulder feeling better not the PH/DS (or else im lifting like a lil beeotch)
    I feel like I'm holding slightly more water this time around but I am bulking as epi solo was more of a recomp
    ON feeling and sustained pumps are kicking in (1 week earlier that epi solo) almost feel slightly jittery or excited after 2nd dose of PH/DS pre workout (without taking stims)
    Slightly Oily skin same epi solo (no extra acne or negative effects just a lil extra oil)
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  30. Quote Originally Posted by smshannon001 View Post
    Hate how family/ friends don't understand the dieting and training...
    I'm not even pre contest and don't have a strict goal in mind and feel like I'm lenient enough while bulking and still I get crap from fat/ unhealthy/ out of shape / unmotivated family members or friends.

    Roid Rage Rant over

    Gonna hit chest later today supposed to be an off/cardio day but have some family events and an old friends brothers 21 birthday coming up so might have to take an extra day off this weekend.
    Anyone that bodybuilds will attest to the truth in that quote! I can't tell you how many times I have to explain that I don't want a chocolate frosted doughnut or a greasy piece of leftover pizza. You always get that "Oh it's just one slice, it won't kill you!" or the "You are already lean and in shape you can afford a few scoops of ice cream!" It drives me insane.

    We don't workout this hard in the gym just to cover it up with a thick layer of fat. /endrant
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