First PH Cycle! HAVOC

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  1. First PH Cycle! HAVOC


    First off, apologies for not being an active member on this website just a long time lurker here.. Anyways after about a year of research I've decided to pull the trigger on my first PH cycle: Epistane. Here are some details and feel free to critique. Otherwise join for the ride

    On Cycle:

    RPN Havoc 30/30/40/40/40
    CEL Cycle Assist
    Taurine
    Fish Oil (throughout)
    Whey Protein (throughout)
    Opti-Men Multi-Vit (throughout)

    Post Cycle:

    Clomid 50/50/25/25
    PES Erase 0/3/3/3/3
    SNS DAA
    Purus Labs Organ Shield
    Creatine Mono

    I think I have all the bases covered and I will elaborate on nutritional info as well as a workout routine after the products arrive!


  2. What the poster said above me.. it will take about 2 weeks to kick in.
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  3. I ran an epi cycle and logged it.
    I'd say that a week at 20 is a waste, too low. I'd start at 30.
    Also 4 weeks is too short. You won't see anything or barely anything until 2-3 weeks from starting

  4. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    I ran an epi cycle and logged it.
    I'd say that a week at 20 is a waste, too low. I'd start at 30.
    Also 4 weeks is too short. You won't see anything or barely anything until 2-3 weeks from starting
    This. I started off at 20mg when I ran epi and the first week at 20 is a waste. 40mg seems to be my sweet spot. I didn't start feeling anything until week two at 30mg +

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    This. I started off at 20mg when I ran epi and the first week at 20 is a waste. 40mg seems to be my sweet spot. I didn't start feeling anything until week two at 30mg +
    yes, I ended with 2 weeks at 50, the previous 4 weeks at 40
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post

    yes, I ended with 2 weeks at 50, the previous 4 weeks at 40
    The only thing I noticed between 40 and 50 was crippling back pumps, to the point I couldn't even stand.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    The only thing I noticed between 40 and 50 was crippling back pumps, to the point I couldn't even stand.
    Yeah, more isn't always better

  8. Like everyone else has said 20 is a low dose. Start at 30. I went up to 50 and the side effects kicked in pretty bad so more is not always better. Havoc is legit though. I love that stuff.

  9. Hey guys so my bottle of Havoc just arrived and I am impatiently waiting to take it. My cycle assist along with the other support sups will be here in 2 days... Do you guys think it would be okay to start my cycle today? I want to start this cycle ASAP and I don't think 2 days without support supps will make a difference but I could be wrong! Anybody?

  10. 1. Did you get a serm?
    2. Did you get another bottle of havoc?

    The danger of starting without having your pct ready in hand is you don't leave yourself an out. If you have to stop and you don't have your pct, you're fkd. Nobody plans on stopping but the unknown may happen.

  11. 1. Yes, clomid should be here within the week.
    2. Yes

    I've decided to wait until everything comes to be safe. I was also wondering if I should go out and buy some milk thistle and hawthorne berry. I already ordered cycle assist and organ shield so I assume that should suffice. Am I wrong?

    BTW, cycle starts thursday

  12. Quote Originally Posted by dz1553 View Post
    1. Yes, clomid should be here within the week.
    2. Yes

    I've decided to wait until everything comes to be safe. I was also wondering if I should go out and buy some milk thistle and hawthorne berry. I already ordered cycle assist and organ shield so I assume that should suffice. Am I wrong?

    BTW, cycle starts thursday
    good boy. Buy more milk thistle and Hawthorne. Good for ya body not just on cycle anytime

  13. I'm in my second week of Havoc and loving it. I'm running 30/30/30/40 and may run an extra week at 40mg. I started at 204lbs and I'm at 209lbs currently. I'm already looking a bit fuller and I get stronger every workout. Had a bit of lethargy and mood swing towards the end of the first week but I feel good now. Make sure you take plenty of fish oil as this stuff makes your joints dry. Also, taurine will help a lot with the back pumps.. I noticed those on back and leg day even the first week.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mxracer323 View Post
    I'm in my second week of Havoc and loving it. I'm running 30/30/30/40 and may run an extra week at 40mg. I started at 204lbs and I'm at 209lbs currently. I'm already looking a bit fuller and I get stronger every workout. Had a bit of lethargy and mood swing towards the end of the first week but I feel good now. Make sure you take plenty of fish oil as this stuff makes your joints dry. Also, taurine will help a lot with the back pumps.. I noticed those on back and leg day even the first week.
    Great to hear! I've heard from multiple sources that 5 weeks is the sweet spot so I am pretty much set on that. Have you experienced any other side effects like acne? That is my number 1 concern as of now

  15. I've always been prone to a pimple or two randomly appearing on my shoulders or sometimes face. That being said, I haven't noticed a difference since starting. I'm also using N2 shampoo to assist in keeping my hair on my head. Since using it I've noticed even less shedding than prior to my cycle.

  16. You teenagers and your GD pimples. Chill the fk out. Wash your face and enjoy your too many hormones. Don't hear any of y'all complaining of limp dck. Go lift and get psy. Quit crying. Y'all got no troubles

  17. Don't mean to hijack your log but having a hard time starting one I started my havoc cycle today. just a quick question dies anyone think that using muscle meds Carnivore beef protein is a problem due to the natural creatine in it? Any insight would be great and terrific thread man I've been following it

  18. Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    You teenagers and your GD pimples. Chill the fk out. Wash your face and enjoy your too many hormones. Don't hear any of y'all complaining of limp dck. Go lift and get psy. Quit crying. Y'all got no troubles
    Tren rage?? Lol.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    Tren rage?? Lol.
    It's for real.

  20. So I'm about to start my cycle but I need a bit of PCT advice. How should I time my clomid, daa, and AI?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by dz1553 View Post
    So I'm about to start my cycle but I need a bit of PCT advice. How should I time my clomid, daa, and AI?
    It's all personal preference man, I take all mine at night before bed.

  22. Should I even bother easing into the cycle like taking 10 mg the first day 20 the second etc etc? Or dive right into the 30 mg day 1

  23. Quote Originally Posted by dz1553 View Post
    Should I even bother easing into the cycle like taking 10 mg the first day 20 the second etc etc? Or dive right into the 30 mg day 1
    30mg from day one.

  24. I started day 1 at 30mg. Also, I was doing legs yesterday and doing an insane drop set on leg press and with 4 reps to go I suddenly developed a bad headache. I think it may have been in part do to improper breathing but I have noticed more frequent headaches while on Havoc. I'm going to get my bp checked asap to make sure it hasn't spiked.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Lukef2000 View Post

    30mg from day one.
    If you lolly gag with 10 here, 20 there, etc. At the end when you're loving the 40 you'll wish you didn't waste time on the low in favor of more time on the higher.

  26. Currently on day 2 and things are going smoothly though I must say I miss PWO.

    Also, when does the hunger aspect of Epi start to come into play? I'm shoveling food down my throat and it would surely help if my appetite was higher

  27. You won't feel the need for your PWO after a week or two. Even when I went through the stage of being lethargic I was fine once I actually got in the gym and started lifting. As far as appetite, I've always starved after 2 or 3 hours without eating so I haven't noticed a difference. By the way, all my compound lifts have went up 20 or more pounds so far and I have still have over two weeks left. Going to bump up to 40mg next week. My morning weight is 210 now, up 6 pounds so far.

  28. I've always taken a pwo no matter what I'm on. Just gotta watch blood pressure. Liquid Hawthorne works perfectly for me.

  29. Here's a little update for you guys

    I'm currently on my 5th day of the cycle and things have been going great so far. Nothing really happened the first few days other than a bit of lethargy but my workouts have been more intense and I find myself pushing myself harder and harder. As I'm sitting here hours after my workout I could still feel the stiffness of my muscles and I take that as a good thing. I'm confident that my diet and training is on point and I am hoping to see some serious gains in the coming weeks.

    Also, what do you guys think about lifting more frequently on cycle?

  30. How many days a week do you workout OP? If you feel like you are recovering fine then go ahead.

    What is amazing to me is my jump in strength while on cycle. My bench has gone from 275 to 300. My deadlift has gone from 385 to 425. My squat has also gone from 335 to 365. My weight is up 8 pounds with two weeks left. If I can keep half my total gains I will consider this a successful cycle.
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