First PH Cycle! HAVOC
- 07-19-2013, 06:33 PM
I finish my run of 30/30/30/30/40 today. My bodyweight went from 204 to 216 while looking a bit leaner. My max bench went from 280 to 315. My deadlift went from 385 to 425 raw and squat from 335 to 365. My sides were never that bad. I will start my PCT with Torem tomorrow. I may run another cycle in the winter as long as I recover well.
- 07-19-2013, 06:43 PM
Awesome! What week did you see the most gains? Best of luck with PCT.
- 07-19-2013, 07:04 PM
In week three it was really obvious I had gotten stronger. I felt stronger after the first week but I really started adding weight to the bar towards the end of week two into week three. My bodyweight reached its max at the start of week three, but I think I would be at 220lbs now if I had been able to eat more. I work a lot and don't have much time to eat while on my 12 hour shifts. Whats strange is that a lot of my sides went away went I jumped to 40mg a day and I felt less moody and lethargic. If I do another cycle I will most likely start at 40 ed.
07-19-2013, 09:16 PM
Sub for reading. Good stuff so far
07-22-2013, 02:05 AM
24 days into my cycle and I must say 40 mg feels great. I've gotten used to the lethargy and the pumps in the gym are insane. My physique looks totally different in the gym and I'm starting to notice an increase in muscle mass and decrease in fat especially in my stomach area. Also, scalp itch was easily taken care of with some Nizoral shampoo (thank god). If things continue to go well I may even bump up to 50 mg towards the end of the cycle to maximize gains.
07-22-2013, 07:52 AM
Sounds good except for pumps and lethargy. I'm doing 4.5 weeks of epistane 20 mg for first 3 days then 30mg for rest. Will 20/20/10/10 nolvadex be enough I read standard is 40/40/20/20 and my bottle is only 30ml and 20mg per/ml.
07-22-2013, 11:08 PM
Weirdest thing happened today. As I was lifting I felt a tearing sensation on my upper back and as I looked in the mirror I noticed stretch marks literally forming. Hopefully it's a good thing
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07-23-2013, 11:29 PM
Now then back to the thread OP you have cycle assist which has milk thistle some people say that taking that during cycle will decrease the effectiveness of pro hormones. What is your take and how many hours apart do you space out the cycle assist from havoc? I've read 4 hours minimum and also milk thistles half life is 6 hours or so. I'd probably take my cycle support before bed to be safe.
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07-24-2013, 07:15 PM
No difference in sides, major strength increase. I would get a pump just lifting a case of oil at work lol. Didn't get that at 40. Granted most say you don't fully notice it till week three but I felt it around day 12. Back pumps on deads and squats were my only real side. Did forget my cissus towards the end and noticed a bit of joint issues but nothing horrible.
Again everyone is different. I'm also on TRT so I had a test base and no need for PCT.
07-24-2013, 08:02 PM
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07-24-2013, 10:08 PM
You could try forma or erase if you want. Adex, aramosin would be better IMO. Like I said everyone is different.
07-29-2013, 01:59 AM
So I'm wrapping up my cycle and I am pleased with the gains. I put on 10-15 lbs of lean muscle and my strength went way up. The next step is obviously PCT. Is it okay to take my clomid, daa, and erase all at once? Also, how many DAA capsules should I take?
07-29-2013, 03:57 AM
07-29-2013, 10:34 PM
I'm just wrapping up my first week of PCT and I have had zero side effects. I feel just like I did before the cycle. I'm using liquid Torem which tastes terrible btw. I have lost a couple pounds so far.
08-31-2013, 10:45 AM
Pct has been over for about two weeks now. My libido is back full swing and the boys are their normal size. I'm back down to 210lbs from my cycle high of 217-218. I started at 204. I'm happy with the results because I kept the majority of my strength. Will probably run another cycle this winter.
08-31-2013, 01:04 PM
Any ideas why you lost weight during pct. I'm 2.5 or so weeks in and up 10 lbs. already I think I'm going to run 6 weeks total if gains keep going last week ramp up to 40mg. PCT for me will be whey protein, creatine mono, daa @ 3 grams day, erase starting 3rd week and nolva 20/20/10/10. Preworkout will be Hemo Rage with 1,3dymethalanine.
08-31-2013, 06:57 PM
Probably glycogen and water weight... and my diet has been very sloppy due to work and a new baby (no time). I rarely hear of anyone keeping all their weight.. although I'm sure its possible if diet and training are on point.
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