First Cycle: 6 Weeks of Epistane
- 06-05-2013, 11:54 AM
First Cycle: 6 Weeks of Epistane
BF- 19% (I know I'm fat)
Venturing into anabolics because I feel as though I've hit a plateau that I have not been able to overcome. My bench has been at a solid 285lbs for the past 4 months and I've tried basically everything under the sun to try and get stronger, but no go. So now, I'm resorting to juice.
Anyway, I've done my research, ordered my stuff. I have everything sitting right in front of me. Here's my log/layout. Feel free to critique in any way you deem appropriate. And thanks for checking it out!
LGI Epi-10: 30/30/30/30/40/40
Ironlabs Protect: 3 caps daily
Nolvadex: 20mg/20mg/20mg/20mg (Might go down to 10mg for the last two weeks depending on how I'm feeling)
Revolution PCT: 3 caps daily
As far as diet goes, I'm just going to eat clean, get my needed protein in mainly via pork, chicken, steak, and milk. Carbs will consist of potatoes, oats, and brown rice. I'm neither bulking or cutting, just trying this out and seeing if I get stronger and bigger.
Will be posting progress pictures
Pic of me now as of 6/5/13 (non-pumped)
- 06-05-2013, 12:33 PM
I'd lose weight naturally before venturing into any ph/aas. At 19% body fat with a good diet you can get down to 13-14 and then start something if you'd like. Just my .02 but do what you want.
Also I'd swap nova for clomid. Just preference though.
Edit- wait just saw you said you're not bulking or cutting well what are you doing then? Epi is used for cutting but I've seen people bulj with it. If you want to get stronger and bigger why not run test @500mg with something to kick start/run alongside it? Or take that epi and run it with test.
- 06-05-2013, 12:55 PM
Usually people say they lean out and gain solid mass on epistane. I'm aiming for a recomp, drop some fat, put on some muscle. In the last 3 weeks of my cycle I'll probably clean up my diet a ton and start doing heavy cardio to shed some fat. But during the first couple weeks I'm going to eat when hungry and make sure I have the energy to take advantage of the possible gains. I'd rather put on 15lbs of mass and still have some fat, than put on 10 pounds of mass and be leaner. I'm mainly aiming for strength and muscle. The fat can come of gradually through cardio.
I'm not running test-e mainly because I don't have a source or know where to obtain it, and have heard tons of stories about fake sites and whatnot. Rather than taking my chances, I figured I'd do Epi since it's easily obtained and low on side effects, making it more reasonable for my first cycle.
06-19-2013, 03:37 PM
06-19-2013, 04:15 PM
I dont know if it is the picture, but I think you have gyno. Not trying to be a dick, just beware because if that is the case (hope it is not) Epi will make your gyno worse, not better as some people say, when you hit PCT time.
06-19-2013, 06:20 PM
Here's a layout of what everything cost me.
Epi = 2 bottles @ 30 dollars each = 60 dollars
Iron Labs cycle support = 2 bottles @ 15 dollars each = 30 dollars
Revolution PCT = 1 bottle @ 20 dollars = 20 dollars
Nolva (Tamoxifen Citrate 20 mg/mL - 30 mL) = 1 bottle @ 20 dollars = 20 dollars
So 130 bucks without shipping. Since I ordered from different locations, it came out to be like 150 dollars-ish.
06-19-2013, 06:22 PM
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06-19-2013, 09:27 PM
06-19-2013, 09:56 PM
When I did my epi run the only thing I regretted was not starting out at 40mg a day. I started at thirty as well. IMO it would be better to run a 5 week cycle at 40/40/40/40/40. As far as gyno, you should be fine if you take nolva after and keep some Aromasin on hand just in case.
06-22-2013, 08:16 AM
Update - Day 4
Not sure if I'm supposed to be feeling side effects yet, but my sex drive is completely shot. I'm on that perma-soft status. Other than that, I'm feeling pretty strong. On my first day back I struggled with 215lbs x 8 reps on the bench, and yesterday I was able to do 230lbs x 9 reps. Not sure if this is simply reconditioning, a bad/good day, or the epistane. Maybe a combination. Needless to say, I was happy.
06-22-2013, 11:20 AM
FranARG is talking about rebound gyno from suppression of estro from the epi over such a long period of time plus using an AI during PCT...
tapering the dose of your AI the last 2 weeks should help something like 0/2/3/2/1 (til you run out) (this is just an example of the taper, the amounts of caps will depend on the strength/amount of active ingredient in your AI)
CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html
06-25-2013, 04:51 AM
06-29-2013, 08:28 AM
Just started an epi/sd pulse (odd days epi, even days sd). So this interests me, particularly bc of the higher bodyfat. I'm hovering around 17% myself but have lost 33lbs so far and want to drop another 7% bf, weight is currently 217 5ft9. Been doing a keto diet plus training hard for past 90 days but have a long history as a powerlifter and rugby player.
07-06-2013, 07:29 AM
Day 17 Update:
I'm up to 216-217lbs, and I feel my bodyfat is significantly lower. My muscles feel extremely dense and hard. There's a constant feeling of tightness and it's awesome.
Strength has gone through the roof. I hit 225 on bench for 14 reps today, which is a HUGE increase from where I was 2 weeks ago.
So far, epistane has been awesome. I can't believe I still have almost a month left to go. This is going to be an insane next couple of weeks.
For those wondering about side effects, I've felt none really except my balls have shrunk a tad. They were kind of small to begin with though so idk, maybe it's all in my head.
ONE QUESTION: is "research only" nolva safe to take? I'm kind of worried about it, people saying nolva is highly toxic all over the place. What do you you guys think?
07-15-2013, 09:25 AM
Day 26 update:
Up to 220lbs. I'm starting to feel some side effects. But I'll go ahead and state the good news, then the bad news.
Good news is, I hit 250lbs for 10 reps on the bench press this morning. This is far beyond what I expected to be able to do, EVER. I should definitely be able to hit 315lbs at this point. I also hit 90lb dumbbells on the incline press today for a good 8 reps. As for squats, I am now squatting 275x10, whereas before my cycle I was hitting 225x10. I look in the mirror and I feel much "wider." I can't explain it really but it almost seems as though my shoulder frame has grown. Not sure if this is even possible with steroids but figured I'd throw that out there.
As for the bad news, the side effects are settling in. I've upped my dosage to 40mg a day, and have now been experiencing shoulder pains, insane back pumps, back pains, and headaches. My balls have shrunk like CRAZY too. Only KIND OF cool thing is my beard is now growing at a faster rate and is thicker. I'm starting to see more hair on my cheeks than I had before.
And that's about it guys. I still have 18 days left. You guys think I should up the dosage to 50mg or keep it at 40?
Also from my last post: "ONE QUESTION: is "research only" nolva safe to take? I'm kind of worried about it, people saying nolva is highly toxic all over the place. What do you you guys think?"
07-15-2013, 12:32 PM
Firstly, nice progress! How have you been bf wise (are you taking measurements?), are you still leaning out as well?
To help with back pumps, take taurine 3g daily. Also whatever your taking for blood pressure support I would up it as this could have something to do with headaches. I would advise against upping to 50mg as when you begin to see sides you need to step back and decide if upping your dosage will do more harm than good.
Lastly, ive used research grade torem with no issues at all. PM me and I will tell you more (the co. brand I like).
07-15-2013, 12:33 PM
07-15-2013, 05:05 PM
Lol research chems are fine for consumption... it says not for human consumption to cover their asses if some fool does something... well foolish with them lol. And if your worried about liver damage then I don't think you would be taking epi lol. Yea taurine helps the back ups a bunch... also for the shoulder pain are you taking any joint health supps? Epi makes your body a dessert so it would be wise to get something g for your joints if you haven't already fish oil or something. And with raisins where walnuts used to be and crazy back pumps and shoulder pain is advise you not to go to 50
Why not zoidberg?
07-16-2013, 03:45 AM
Also as far as taking torem, I already have my nolva so I'd rather not invest more money into this cycle. That is unless you feel that torem is a much better compound, then I'd consider buying some.
I had a REALLY bad headache yesterday. Today I'm feeling fine. Maybe it wasn't due to high blood pressure. I don't know. My shoulders honestly ONLY hurt when I work shoulders. They don't even hurt on chest day. So it's bearable.
The thing about the side effects are that I'm not 100% sure they're even happening. Everything seems like a huge blur honestly. I've always felt my back get pumped when I work out, regardless of what I'm training. I've always had problems with headaches. And my testicles have always been on the small side. So I can't really say for certain that the things I'm experiencing are from the Epistane.
Let's say I do up to 50mg, what's the worst that you think will happen?
07-16-2013, 07:03 AM
Why not zoidberg?
07-16-2013, 10:11 AM
If your concerned with potential side effects you could always pick up some cycle support while its still ridiculously priced. From my experience though, if you have sides at 40mg, you will likely get more bad then good at 50mg (gyno, hair loss, ball shrinkage that is harder to bounce back, drying joints etc...). If you do decide to give it a shot I'd say try it for a few days and see how the sides are.
07-19-2013, 12:42 PM
I upped to 50mg. Feeling fine, nothing too crazy happening.
I have a really urgent question for you guys though.
So far for my PCT I have Nolva and this product called PCT Revolution that has DAA in it. But I've been researching a bit more and it seems people heavily rely on this product called HCGenerate. It's 65 bucks... But I REALLY want to get my testosterone production back on track. Should I purchase HCGenerate even if I already have Nolva?
07-19-2013, 12:45 PM
Can't hurt but I have heard mixed reviews and ivdont think its worth the money lol. Just my opinion
Why not zoidberg?
07-19-2013, 01:04 PM
I have heard quite a few cases of people not only recovering quickly from PCT, but actually having HIGHER test levels post-PCT. Do you think HCGenerate will assist to make my test levels higher during and post-PCT?
07-19-2013, 01:41 PM
I've never used it so I can't say first hand that it works but a lot of people say it does. More so than those that don't if your that worried about it then go ahead. I'm sure more experienced people will chime in soon... its too expensive for my taste lol
Why not zoidberg?
07-19-2013, 01:59 PM
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