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    Recomp with Epistane / Win50 / Trenazone


    This is my first time using Epistane and I thought just for the motivational aspect alone, I would log it.

    Weighed in this morning at 225, and bodyfat is definitely higher than I am wanting - so my goal here is a recomp.

    Here are the particulars:

    Win50 250/300/300/300/350/350/350
    Epistane 0/30/40/40-50/50/40/40 - due to blood pressure readings I lowered my dose.
    Trenazone 0/0/0/1/1/1/1

    I will be running: Cycle Assist (dosed 3 hours after PH), USPLabs SuperCissus, Endosurge (weeks 4-7), Toco8, Taurine, Omegas/Multi/Vit C, BCAA's, as well as various preworkouts along the way.

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    My diet will be as clean as I can possibly manage. This can be difficult at times with 5 kids living at home, but with my son's hockey season now over there will be way less drive thru's. I am aiming for around 2,500 Calories, with 250g+ coming from protein, and carbs will be around workouts.

    Workout split will be a 5 day FST-7 routine. I will be hitting chest twice a week, once heavy. Going to try to work some of the MD training movements in as well. Here is my split:

    Day 1: Arms
    Day 2: Legs
    Day 3: Chest - Heavy
    Day 5: Back / Traps
    Day 6: Shoulders / Chest

    I typically start my days with a 4-6km Run (at times HITT at a track)... and with the playoffs getting underway this always opens up the opportunity for some extra LISS.

    As always, any advice is welcomed and appreciated.

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    Reserved - For end of stack review + end of PCT follow up.

    As promised... reflection on Win50/Epistane/Trenazone stack.

    First of all even though I had a couple of set backs (some nose bleeds, blood pressure), all in all it was a pretty good run.

    Win50 did what it was supposed to do which was add muscle hardness and vascularity - however to dose it correctly it was an expensive compound.
    Epistane definitely added strength and some aggression - I really did not notice much of a difference when it came to dosing at 40/50/60 mg, perhaps I didn't run it long enough at 60?
    Trenazone perhaps was dosed a little low as I only had one bottle - but still felt it kick in with some strength gains, appetitie increase, and some added water.

    PROs:

    - Increased strength
    - Increased recovery
    - Better than normal focus
    - No gastric issues
    - Libido was constant
    - NO joint issues
    - NO real changes in skin (acne/oily)

    CONs:
    -Blood Pressure was hard to control (perhaps from going 60mg on Epistane, the stacking, or Trenazone - hard to pin point). Adding a bedtime dose of baby aspirin, as well as 200mg of C0Q10 did lower my blood pressure. That said, I also did lower my Epistane dosing to 40mg.
    -Had some very short nose bleeds, that were likely linked to my bp.
    -Lethargic - weeks 3-5 this was much more predominant.
    -Last 2-3 weeks craved everything in site. It was like the Anabeta black hole on steroids. (perhaps this is not a con)

    Key Measurement Changes:

    Weight: 225 to 241
    Waist: 35 to 36 1/4 -- f*ck !! lol
    Chest: 45 to 47 1/2
    Bicep: 16 to 17 1/4

    Biggest changes in performance:

    Squats: 260x8 --> 300x6 (290x8)
    Bench Press: 270x4 --> 315x2 (305x4)

    I suppose you can attribute 50% of the weight change to bodyfat/water.

    I realize being a first time PH run, I should not have started so aggressively by stacking 3 products as I am not really sure what caused my blood pressure to rise. I do know that it started to increase with the introduction of Trenazone. However, at the same time my dosages of Win50 and Epistane were increasing.

    I do plan on running Epistane again, but will do so solo or with BPS Dermacrine added. I would like to try HDROL first, as well as MStenRX as FU seemed to have a great run on that with no medical alert sides (BP).

    Hope this was helpful/insightful. Any questions ... please feel free. (posting this here and in the 2nd post of thread).

    One additional thing to note: I am now 7 days into PCT. Although my strength seems to be holding and infact I was able to get a couple of extra reps out of my bench this morning, I am finding I do have to push harder and am definitely not recovering as fast with stronger DOMS the following day.
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    Day 1: ARMS (Yesterday)

    Dosed Win50 in 2 x 100 mg doses approximately 10 hours apart

    Crossbody Hammer Curls:
    40x10
    40x10
    40x10
    40x10

    SS w/Rope Pushdowns:
    90x10
    90x10
    90x10
    90x10

    Preacher Curls:
    90x10
    90x10
    90x10
    90x10

    SS w/Close Grip Bench
    120x10
    130x10
    140x10
    140x10

    Alternating Dumbbell Curls:
    40x8
    40x8
    40x8

    SS w/ Overhead Tri Extension:
    90x10
    90x10
    90x10

    **EzBar Curls (3 sec negatives):
    75x10x7

    **V-Bar Tricep Pushdowns:
    110x12x7

    Standing Calves:
    140x15x5
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
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    Day 2: Legs

    Leg Extensions:
    125x10
    125x10
    125x10

    Squats:
    190x8
    210x8
    230x8
    260x8

    Hack Squats (3 second pause):
    170x8
    210x8
    210x8

    **Leg Extensions: 90x12x7

    Stiff Leg Deadlift:
    180x8
    200x8
    200x8
    200x8

    **Lying Leg Curls: 55x12x7
    + 11 partials

    Legs are fried. After my 7's of leg curls was only able to push out 11 partials was going to 15.. but just couldn't curl them anymore..
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    Quote Originally Posted by breezy11 View Post
    Solid leg session wasme. Glad you're enjoying the micro.
    Thanks, that was the first time I have tried pauses for hack squats ... burnt like hell.

    Going to use it again tomorrow, for chest..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post

    Thanks, that was the first time I have tried pauses for hack squats ... burnt like hell.

    Going to use it again tomorrow, for chest..
    Yeah, they're tough. You should try them using 1.5 reps and/or no lockout at the top. The constant tension will set your legs on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post
    Day 2: Legs

    Leg Extensions:
    125x10
    125x10
    125x10

    Squats:
    190x8
    210x8
    230x8
    260x8

    Hack Squats (3 second pause):
    170x8
    210x8
    210x8

    **Leg Extensions: 90x12x7

    Stiff Leg Deadlift:
    180x8
    200x8
    200x8
    200x8

    **Lying Leg Curls: 55x12x7
    + 11 partials

    Legs are fried. After my 7's of leg curls was only able to push out 11 partials was going to 15.. but just couldn't curl them anymore..
    Used another sample package of Jacked Micro today (thanks Breezy)... nice smooth energy, good focus too.
    Tomorrow will be my last day dosing WIN50 at 200mg, going to up it to 250mg.
    Way to kick this off. Excellent leg work wasme.
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    Thanks FU... skipped my run this morning, as I was a bit tender getting out of bed lol. Will do some LISS during the game tonight...
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    Day 3: Chest

    First of all nice job by the B's tonight... great win!

    Got home from work and was not going to run, but decided to go for a quick one, 4 km (half of which being on an incline). Thought I was actually going to stop a couple of times, and my legs were still a bit rubbery from yesterday's workout.

    Bench Press:
    140 x 15 - under constant tension
    140 x 15 - under constant tension
    210 x 5
    230 x 5
    260 x 5
    270 x 4

    Decline Bench (25lb plates under legs for slight decline):
    190 x 8
    210 x 8
    230 x 7

    Incline Dumbbell Press:
    45 x 8
    50 x 8
    55 x 8
    55 x 8

    Incline Flys:
    45 x 10
    50 x 10
    50 x 10

    **Cable Crossovers (slow negative):
    50 x 7 x 12

    Tomorrow I am increasing my dosage of Win50 from 200mg to 250mg. Today I am also increasing my SuperCissus from 3 caps / day to 4 as my knee is feeling a little sore.

    - Used my third sample of Jacked Micro. Same effect as my previous 2 sessions. Nice smooth energy with a good chest pump!

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    Day 4: OFF w/possible cardio later

    Dosed 150mg of Win50 this morning and cycle assist 3 hours later. Another 100mg around dinner time.

    Nothing to report yet, perhaps a bit of muscle hardness. I know Win50 is likely to take a good 2 weeks before it kicks in.

    Off weights today, but likely to do some LISS later during one of the games.

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    Excellent weights on those presses. Excellent workout overall. Mine is supposed to take 2 weeks to kick in as well. Gotta put in the work until we get there. You are killing it wasme !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fumoney View Post
    Excellent weights on those presses. Excellent workout overall. Mine is supposed to take 2 weeks to kick in as well. Gotta put in the work until we get there. You are killing it wasme !!!
    Thanks FU! I probably should have started the Epistane with the Win50, but being my first go at this thought I should stagger it to see how my blood pressure reacts. I am sure week 3-4 will be pretty good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers6211 View Post
    Killer numbers on the bench bro! Wicked in fact!
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    Day 5: Back / Traps

    Started my morning with 5km in the park...

    Dumbbell Deadstops:
    75x8
    75x8
    75x8
    75x8


    Stretchers:
    120x12
    140x12
    160x12
    170x10


    Wide Grip Lat Pulldowns: from kneeling position on floor
    210x12
    220x12
    220x12
    220x11


    Seated Wide Cable Row:
    120x8
    140x8
    140x8
    140x8


    Reeves Deadlifts: first time trying these. Could have gone heavier but think i should learn the perfect form first..
    170x5
    170x5
    170x5
    170x5


    ** Straightarm Pushdowns:
    90x12x7


    Upright Rows: not a big fan of these, at times I hurt my lower back.
    100x8
    100x8
    100x8

    **Shrugs (3 sec pause):
    50x12x7


    This felt like my best workout thus far. Was in a great headspace, and focused. This could be attributed to the fact that I have the day off and was able to workout mid morning instead of after a full day at work.

    Preworkout was my last sample of Jacked Micro - was good stuff (thanks again Breezy).

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    23 sets plus 2 separate FST-7 exercises. That's one hell of a volume day. Excellent job wasme.

    Midday workouts are definitely the best. You don't feel as rushed and you end up with better concentration in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fumoney View Post
    23 sets plus 2 separate FST-7 exercises. That's one hell of a volume day. Excellent job wasme.

    Midday workouts are definitely the best. You don't feel as rushed and you end up with better concentration in my opinion.
    Thank FU. I think you are right. Especially with kids and obligiations. Everyone was at school so you can just take it as it comes.. and really focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
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    Cheda, glad you could make it! How are things..
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    Quote Originally Posted by wasme View Post

    Cheda, glad you could make it! How are things..
    Lookin solid so far w the fst 7! Things have been TOUGH the last 4-5 weeks.. Came off TRT and trying a restart with clomid... Very strong emotional side effects and lack of motivation/lethargy. Suckkkksss man. But still training and what not just trying to figure out if my balls r working or not! Lol
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