Best cycle for up to half a grand

[NeighbourMike]

Hey all,

Currently willing to spend up to half a grand on first cycle.

I want as much lean gains as humanly possible, with as little water weight as possible, without going as far to deal with aromatizing effects and gyno.

I'm 6,2 been bodybuilding for several years, recently did a sum of 5 calipers and RJL scan and it put me around 65% water mass, @ 8% body fat (190 lbs).

I know prices are different depending on quality, source..etc, but for this purpose let's say standard prices apply.

Basically wondering if it's possible to gain and keep 15 lbs of pure ripped muscle to my frame after PCT is done.

Diet is spot on, has been for a year. Looking to take my gains to the next level. I'm a personal trainer and I know my macros which I use to plan meals days in advance.

Looking for advice ! Very interested in your responses.

[howwedo107]

Age n previous cycles?

[NeighbourMike]

No prv, 21.

[howwedo107]

Hey all,
"Sup bro"
Currently willing to spend up to half a grand on first cycle. "Nice"

I want as much lean gains as humanly possible, with as little water weight as possible, without going as far to deal with aromatizing effects and gyno. "This will depend in diet and not using an aromatizing kicker, you will have to deal with the test aromatizing a bit"

I'm 6,2 been bodybuilding for several years, currently at did sum of 5 calipers and RJL scan and it put me around 65% water mass, @ 8% body fat (190 lbs). "Great starting point"

I know prices are different depending on quality, source..etc, but for this purpose let's say standard prices apply. "Ok ill go by my standard prices I get"

Basically wondering if it's possible to gain and keep 15 lbs of pure ripped muscle to my frame after PCT is done. "It's possible but you will need a great diet and a great pct bro research pct inside and out that's very important"

Diet is spot on, has been for a year. Looking to take my gains to the next level. I'm a personal trainer and I know my macros which I use to plan meals days in advance. "Another great starting point"

Looking for advice ! Very interested in your responses.

1st cycle (you really don't need to or want to add a ton of stuff so you learn how your body works with different compounds)

Test E week 1-12 250mg mon/Thursday 500mg total
Tbol kicker week 1-6 60mg (I felt it about day 15)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD if you see bloat (but you prob won't but everyone is different) then up it to 12.5mg ED Week 1-12
Start pct 10 days after your last pin
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Novla 40/20/20/20
Daa product
Anti-E product
^^Paragon (both in one) can be used or dpol (daa with nitrates) and erase (great anti e)combo it's up to you bro

[howwedo107]

See my quotes in your quote

[dazzvxr]

No prv, 21.

Most people would consider 21 a bit young to start aas as your natural test is at its highest, however if your mind is made up then your going to do it anyway, for a first cycle you are better off with a long ester such as Test E at 500mg pw as it only requires pinning twice weekly, you will also need an AI such as aromasin or Adex to keep estrogen at bay, hcg is also another great aid whilst on cyle as it will help prevent natural test production shutting down and help with recovery when you come off, on top of that your going to need a good pct laying out.. Clomid, nova etc... also worth keeping letro on hand in case you run in to any gyno problems, if you haven't already.... Do some research put yourself a cycle together and lay it out on the forum for the pro's to help out, it's no good being hand fed a cycle, you need to be knowledgeable on the compounds you are using

[dazzvxr]

1st cycle (you really don't need to or want to add a ton of stuff so you learn how your body works with different compounds)

Test E week 1-12 250mg mon/Thursday 500mg total
Tbol kicker week 1-6 60mg (I felt it about day 15)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD if you see bloat (but you prob won't but everyone is different) then up it to 12.5mg ED Week 1-12
Start pct 10 days after your last pin
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Novla 40/20/20/20
Daa product
Anti-E product
^^Paragon (both in one) can be used or dpol (daa with nitrates) and erase (great anti e)combo it's up to you bro

^^^ to late, lol

[hvactech]

half a grand? is that wat u guys actually spend?

[howwedo107]

half a grand? is that wat u guys actually spend?

Counting pct and everything that's 14 weeks of test and 4 weeks of pct which is 18 weeks total of 27$ a week which isn't to bad but the cycle I laid out would be like 400$ for me which is 22$ a week which isn't to bad for the gains but to each his own

[hvactech]

Counting pct and everything that's 14 weeks of test and 4 weeks of pct which is 18 weeks total of 27$ a week which isn't to bad but the cycle I laid out would be like 400$ for me which is 22$ a week which isn't to bad for the gains but to each his own

what would u break down the cost per lb. of muscle? about 22 a lb.?

[NeighbourMike]

See my quotes in your quote

Thanks I appreciate it man. I'll research them up various suppliers local and abroad for price points. I'm pretty busy currently so it may take a while but I will report back and let you guys know if it's reasonable.

Most people would consider 21 a bit young to start aas as your natural test is at its highest, however if your mind is made up then your going to do it anyway, for a first cycle you are better off with a long ester such as Test E at 500mg pw as it only requires pinning twice weekly, you will also need an AI such as aromasin or Adex to keep estrogen at bay, hcg is also another great aid whilst on cyle as it will help prevent natural test production shutting down and help with recovery when you come off, on top of that your going to need a good pct laying out.. Clomid, nova etc... also worth keeping letro on hand in case you run in to any gyno problems, if you haven't already.... Do some research put yourself a cycle together and lay it out on the forum for the pro's to help out, it's no good being hand fed a cycle, you need to be knowledgeable on the compounds you are using

I am, I have Anabolics by William Llewellyn 2006 Edition with some basic to advanced cycles for various bulking/cutting but I wanted to check with the community opinion before I begin posting some of them.

[hvactech]

Thanks I appreciate it man. I'll research them up various suppliers local and abroad for price points. I'm pretty busy currently so it may take a while but I will report back and let you guys know if it's reasonable.

I am, I have Anabolics by William Llewellyn 2006 Edition with some basic to advanced cycles for various bulking/cutting but I wanted to check with the community opinion before I begin posting some of them.

well youre in the right place for advice.

[NeighbourMike]

1st cycle (you really don't need to or want to add a ton of stuff so you learn how your body works with different compounds)

Test E week 1-12 250mg mon/Thursday 500mg total
Tbol kicker week 1-6 60mg (I felt it about day 15)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD if you see bloat (but you prob won't but everyone is different) then up it to 12.5mg ED Week 1-12
Start pct 10 days after your last pin
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Novla 40/20/20/20
Daa product
Anti-E product
^^Paragon (both in one) can be used or dpol (daa with nitrates) and erase (great anti e)combo it's up to you bro

I know Nolva and Clomid are pretty much the same, purposefully doubling up to ensure no ill effect?

DAA - Aspartic Acid, I learned about this in class, I think if I remember correctly it's a non essential amino acid. May be wrong, either way. With this assisting compound are the minimal effects when you take it natural, amplified on cycle?

I actually have heard of erase, and erase pro. Saw it last time I ordered two bottles of 180 cap Recompadrol for my last cut, ever heard of that?

what would u break down the cost per lb. of muscle? about 22 a lb.?

Not sure, but I just figure it's dependent on the person. Much like everything else, work in = rewards.

(Or in this case, work out* )

[howwedo107]

what would u break down the cost per lb. of muscle? about 22 a lb.?

If you just did the test and tbol and even aromasin it be only 250$ at most I was including the whole pct and the liver protectant and BP supplement plus multi and stuff in the 400$ range so if you did just the basic I'd say 250$ for 14 weeks for lets say even only 10lbs of solid muscle that's 25$ a pound ill take that plus the awesome feeling of being "ON"

[NeighbourMike]

One thing, I'm not squeemish about poking myself, the book shows exactly the spot, sanitation etc. Never had a problem back in the day when I was a kid and forced to get the flu shot (now I don't) but anyways I digress.

Where do you guys purchase your syringes + sanitation equipment?

[howwedo107]

One thing, I'm not squeemish about poking myself, the book shows exactly the spot, sanitation etc. Never had a problem back in the day when I was a kid and forced to get the flu shot (now I don't) but anyways I digress.

Where do you guys purchase your syringes + sanitation equipment?

Idk if we can source that here just google that's how I found mine and it's dirt cheap bro make sure you get 18g needles for drawing 23g to inject with alcohol wipes and a sharps container

[NeighbourMike]

If you just did the test and tbol and even aromasin it be only 250$ at most I was including the whole pct and the liver protectant and BP supplement plus multi and stuff in the 400$ range so if you did just the basic I'd say 250$ for 14 weeks for lets say even only 10lbs of solid muscle that's 25$ a pound ill take that plus the awesome feeling of being "ON"

Hey , did a bit of digging through some of my resources and came across a Provirion/Deca/Winstrol for a Cutting/Extreme Lean Mass Cycle.

Buy list:
140 tabs of Proviron for Anti-E
10ml 200/ml Deca x each week
100 tabs 10mg stanozolol (Win)

From what I can tell, the proviron adds good androgen content to the nandrolone base, which is pretty anabolic on it's own.
Winistrol, enhances the fat burning and anabolic nature of this combo, added later on in week 5.

Thoughts? I primarily enjoy the once a week injection featured, as some cycles look pretty poke.

[Rodja]

Very low dosed cycle and too short of a duration of deca. Proviron should help to mediate some of the effects, but your libido will likely take a large hit for several months.

First cycle, IMO, should be very basic: 500mg of Test E or C for 10-12 weeks.

[NeighbourMike]

What type of gains could I expect, given my priorly mentioned body composition statistics on this type of gear?

[Rodja]

What type of gains could I expect, given my priorly mentioned body composition statistics on this type of gear?

That's an impossible question to answer.