Test & Mast Cycle

[ksukhin]

I'm planning on taking a 8 week cycle of test & mast at 250mg/wk each, with Nolva 40/40/20/20 for PCT. I've done orals before and had OK results but it's time to man up.

What do you guys think of this cycle?
What are some sides I should expect?
Should I be running nolva at the start of my cycle too so I don't get gyno?
What's the best way to inject this mix? One at a time or can I mix both in one syringe?

[usealittle]

I'm planning on taking a 8 week cycle of test & mast at 250mg/wk each, with Nolva 40/40/20/20 for PCT. I've done orals before and had OK results but it's time to man up.

What do you guys think of this cycle? depends on what your trying to do..
What are some sides I should expect? lost of wood
Should I be running nolva at the start of my cycle too so I don't get gyno? get a real AI, not nolva for on cycle.
What's the best way to inject this mix? One at a time or can I mix both in one syringe? both in the same pin

how old are you?
what are you trying to get out of this cycle?
have you done any reading before you decided on running this cycle?

[MANotaur]

I'm planning on taking a 8 week cycle of test & mast at 250mg/wk each, with Nolva 40/40/20/20 for PCT. I've done orals before and had OK results but it's time to man up.

What do you guys think of this cycle?
What are some sides I should expect?
Should I be running nolva at the start of my cycle too so I don't get gyno?
What's the best way to inject this mix? One at a time or can I mix both in one syringe?

Dude use an ai on cycle. adex is a good choice for somethin this mild. yes you can mix them in the same pin and you really didnt give us enough info to critique your cycle...need your age, height, weight, BF%....all this stuff comes into play so....yeah

[fueledpassion]

Masteron acts as effective as an AI...300-400mg/week keeps you dry and hard. I advise against an AI with Mast. You don't need it unless you are severely prone to holding water. Your joints are gonna hurt with both Mast and an AI.

Also, are these long esthers? Such as Test-E and Mast-E? If they are, you need to run it 10 weeks minimum. If not, 8 is fine.

Have you guys ever run Mast and Test? Are you sure that Test gives you so much water weight that you need an AI? This is a rather straight-forward cycle, with little side effects to worry about. I don't see how he will "lose his wood", either. The very opposite happened to me..

Sometimes amatuer juicers confuse the water retention issue between the gear that they take and the food that they eat + lack of cardio and lack of sweating. If you don't have high intensity in the gym, and do no cardio, and eat a so so diet...then yes, you will hold lots of water on cycle. I recommend an AI when you have itchy or aching nipples. Thats a sign of too much estrogen. Any other case, let your body find a balance on its own.

[MANotaur]

an AI should always be used with aromatizable drugs. Masteron doesnt aromatize your right, but it doesnt prevent the anabolics that do from being converted. Masteron wont prevent effects such as gyno. If he is prone to E related issues, as i am..and AI no matter how mild the dose or anabolic is, should be used.

[fueledpassion]

an AI should always be used with aromatizable drugs. Masteron doesnt aromatize your right, but it doesnt prevent the anabolics that do from being converted. Masteron wont prevent effects such as gyno. If he is prone to E related issues, as i am..and AI no matter how mild the dose or anabolic is, should be used.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-masteron.htm

http://articles.muscletalk.co.uk/article-masteron.aspx

Please read. The second link is a bit more conclusive with more information.

[MANotaur]

interesting....but it still doesnt explain the pharmacokenetics as to why its an EFFECTIVE AI. it doesnt interact with the aromatase enzyme...

[fueledpassion]

interesting....but it still doesnt explain the pharmacokenetics as to why its an EFFECTIVE AI. it doesnt interact with the aromatase enzyme...

It lowers your SHBG. My point is that if you do run an AI with it, only a minimal dose of AI will be necessary since you are already reducing SHBG anyways. Whatever dose you'd run normally with an AI, I'd run roughly half that dosing protocol when Masteron is in the picture..

[MANotaur]

It lowers your SHBG. My point is that if you do run an AI with it, only a minimal dose of AI will be necessary since you are already reducing SHBG anyways. Whatever dose you'd run normally with an AI, I'd run roughly half that dosing protocol when Masteron is in the picture..

I see, cuase i knew that in women, it shut down the ovaries from producing both estrogens, and it had a similiar effect in men.

[fueledpassion]

I see, cuase i knew that in women, it shut down the ovaries from producing both estrogens, and it had a similiar effect in men.

In light of that, Masteron really is the best drug to stack with Test for effectiveness. It really amplifies the effect of testosterone and has very little sides associated with its use as well. Minimal suppression.

[ksukhin]

In light of that, Masteron really is the best drug to stack with Test for effectiveness. It really amplifies the effect of testosterone and has very little sides associated with its use as well. Minimal suppression.

I've done some research and everyone has been saying that Mast & Test is a great stack.

Thanks for the feedback guys, here's a bit about me so you can tell me if this is a good cycle or no...
21 years old, 6'1", 175lbs, used to swim competitively ages 12-18, almost a year been training hard 4-5 times a week and eating about 3500 calories (went from 140lbs to 175lbs). I find it really hard to get bigger so that's what I want out of this cycle, gain muscle mass.
I don't know my bf % but I attached a picture of what I look like now so you be the judge.

My concerns are the sides of this stack, gyno, shutting down, and the dosage (250mg of mast & test each, twice a week, for 8 weeks)

[usealittle]

My concerns are the sides of this stack, gyno, shutting down, and the dosage (250mg of mast & test each, twice a week, for 8 weeks)

with any and all AAS or PH these things can happen... if thats what concerns you, stay natty.

[ksukhin]

I still want to do the cycle, I just want to make sure I'm doing everything right to reduce the risk of ****ing myself up. That's why I'm here asking advice from people that know more than I do

[fueledpassion]

I still want to do the cycle, I just want to make sure I'm doing everything right to reduce the risk of ****ing myself up. That's why I'm here asking advice from people that know more than I do

I advise ramping the dose after 2-3 weeks on. Start at 300 Test, 200 mast. Since u know nothing about how ur body reacts, gradually increase as u feel comfortable. Its jot going to be a waste doing it that way either. If u run them long enough, ramping it up wouldnt make any different results than just jumping straight into 500mg per week of each. U probably wont have to go higher than 400mg on Mast though. I'd recommend 400/400 dosed twice a week for a max of 12 weeks.

Get some HCG and run it @ 250mcg twice per week from week 3-12.

Are u running E or a fast esther?

[usealittle]

If he is using a E ester the drug will take 4-5wks to max out. So upping at wk2-3 will just make a potential problem worse... I would run it like this...

Wks1-5 300test/200mast
Wks6-8 300test/400mast
Wks9-12 400test/400mast

This way will give you the least chance of sides... Run hcg and pct like said above and you should be good. Not a get huge cycle but a good clean gains cycle. But what and how you run it it up to you.

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[ksukhin]

To answer a previous question, its test e. Just to be on the safe side I'm thinking of running 250mg/ml of mast and test each per week, for 10 weeks cause they come in 10ml vials. And then nolvadex 40/40/20/20 as pct

[usealittle]

That's ok if that's what you want to do but don't expect to gain mass amounts of weight. It could be a good cycle it food,diet and sleep are on point... But that's what most of the gains will come from.

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[ksukhin]

Ok so I decided I'm gonna run it doing 500mg test/200mg mast per week for 10 weeks and Nolvadex for PCT.

I got two 10mL vials of Test E (250mg/mL) and two 10mL Mast (100mg/mL)

Now here's my thing....is it better to inject once or twice a week. If I do it once a week I'll be injecting a total of 4ml of fluid all at once, I remember reading something about a large amount like that could tear the muscle tissue in my thigh, would hurt a lot and I'll have bumps at the injection site.

So is it better if I break it up into 2 injections a week of 2 mL each?

[MANotaur]

Ok so I decided I'm gonna run it doing 500mg test/200mg mast per week for 10 weeks and Nolvadex for PCT.

I got two 10mL vials of Test E (250mg/mL) and two 10mL Mast (100mg/mL)

Now here's my thing....is it better to inject once or twice a week. If I do it once a week I'll be injecting a total of 4ml of fluid all at once, I remember reading something about a large amount like that could tear the muscle tissue in my thigh, would hurt a lot and I'll have bumps at the injection site.

So is it better if I break it up into 2 injections a week of 2 mL each?

2 injections a week. but it has more to do with blood concentration levels. but your butt and thigh can handle about 5ml w/o much problem.

so yes...2 injections a week is best and be sure to rotate your injection sites to avoid scar tissue

[ksukhin]

Gotcha! I'm gonna do one in each thigh. What time should I inject? Mornings, afternoon, before/after a work out?