TestE/MastE:1-16 Adex/HCG 1-17 PCT: Nolva 17-21. Advice?

  1. Registered User
    Richyyrich's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    31

    TestE/MastE:1-16 Adex/HCG 1-17 PCT: Nolva 17-21. Advice?


    Hi all,

    As the title says I am beginning my second cycle and was hoping to get some input/suggestions/advice.
    1-16 Weeks. PCT = Weeks 17-21
    Test – E: 10 mL 250mg/ML. 500mg weekly total. Every Monday/Thursday for 16 weeks.
    Mast – E: 10 mL 200mg/ML. 400mg weekly total. Every Monday/Thursday for 16 weeks.
    HCG – 250iu via Slinpin x 2 weekly. 500iu weekly total. Every Monday/Thursday for 17 weeks.
    A-Dex – .25mg Tabs EOD. (Prone to Estrogenic Sides..But may drop to E3D, not sure). 17 weeks.

    So just to clarify:
    TestE/MastE 2X Week for 16 weeks @ 500mg/400mg per week. Site rotations: Quad, Delt, Glute.
    HCG 2X Week for 17 weeks @ 500iu per week.
    A-Dex .25mg EOD for 17 weeks.

    PCT:
    Nolva: 40/40/20/20 Split. Adding DAA and Tribulus or some other OTC Natty T-Booster.

    Brief Bio:
    I’ve Lifting for a while now and wanted a glorious start to 2013. I am currently on Wendler 5/3/1 routine but will switch to a more frequency orientated split in the next month.
    Probably LEGS/PUSH/PULL off REPEAT.
    First cycle was Ten6Hundred 200mg Test Cyp + 200mg Bold Unde + 200mg Nandro Deca per ml every Monday/Thursday. Blew up, about 22lb gainzzzz in about 16-18 weeks w/ Tamox as PCT.
    Unfortunately karma had bitten me in the arse and my appendix ruptured. Emergecy Sugery; Hospitalized for 2 ½ days. Couldn’t work out for 30-40 days. Lost about 12lb of gains.
    In the last 2 years I have gained close to the 12lbs back Natty with proper diet and training but honestly miss that godly feeling and extreme gains, not to mention Libido associated w/ AAS.

    At the moment I am at 2325-2450 Calories per Day.
    Will gradually add calories until I’m about 3300-3500 per day. Roughly 400C/250P/90F.
    Stats: 5’9 180lbs 10%. 26 y/o.

    Please respond w/ your input/questions/concerns/ETC.
    Guess I just want some re-assurance and feedback from the wise and humble fellas from this site.
    Thanks everyone…


    Current Diet is in Check (See Below)

    Monday: 195-205 grams Protein 285-295 grams Carbs 45-50 grams Fats Caloric Total:2,325-2,450
    Tuesday: 195-205 grams Protein 285-295 grams Carbs 45-50 grams Fats Caloric Total:2,325-2,450
    Wedn: 195-205 grams Protein 285-295 grams Carbs 45-50 grams Fats Caloric Total:2,325-2,450
    Thursday: 195-205 grams Protein 285-295 grams Carbs 45-50 grams Fats Caloric Total:2,325-2,450
    Friday: 195-205 grams Protein 285-295 grams Carbs 45-50 grams Fats Caloric Total:2,325-2,450
    Saturday: 195-205 grams Protein 285-295 grams Carbs 45-50 grams Fats Caloric Total:2,325-2,450
    Sunday: 195-205 grams Protein 285-295 grams Carbs 45-50 grams Fats Caloric Total:2,325-2,450

    Weekly Total : 16,275-17,150 Calories

    Current Wendler 5/3/1 Split (See Below)

    MONDAY: Shoulder/Biceps/Calves/AB’s
    Warm-up…. 12-15 Minutes Stair Master Approx. 120-150 Calories…
    Strict Form Over-Head Press (5/3/1) – Strength
    OH Press – 4 x 8-12 (%50-%60 1 Rep Max) – Hypotrophy

    Accessory/Assisted Lifts:
    • Side Lateral Raises – 3 x 8-12
    • Wide-grip Upright Rows 3 x 8-12 OR DB Shrugs – 3 x 8-12
    • Cable RD Fly OR Machine RD Fly’s OR DB RD Fly’s – 3 x 8-12
    • Wide Grip Barbell Curls OR Standing/Seated DB Curls – 3 x 8-12
    • Machine Preacher Curls – 3 x 8-12
    • Reverse Grip E-Z Bar Curls – 3 x 8-12
    • Seated Calves – 3 x 10-12 (Toes out & Toes in) & Standing Calves – 5-6 x 10-12 (Toes straight)
    • Weighted Crunches, Oblique Twist’s, V-ups W/ Big ass ball.

    TUESDAY: Quads/Hamstrings
    Warm-up…. 12-15 Minutes Stair Master Approx. 120-150 Calories & Foam Roller….
    Front Squats (5/3/1) – Strength
    Front Squats – 4 x 8-12 (%50-%60 1 Rep Max) – Hypotrophy
    Accessory/Assisted Lifts:

    • Stiff legged Romanian Deadlift OR Good Mornings – 3 x 8-12
    • Weighted Lunges – 3 x 16-20 Steps
    • Single Leg Curls OR Double Leg Curls – 3 x 8-12
    • Leg Extensions – 3 x 8-12

    WEDNESDAY: (Rest Day)

    THURSDAY: Chest/Triceps /Calves
    Warm-up…. 12-15 Minutes Stair Master Approx. 120-150 Calories…
    Incline Bench Press (5/3/1) – Strength
    Incline Bench – 4 x 8-12 (%50-%60 1 Rep Max) – Hypotrophy

    Accessory/Assisted Lifts:
    • Incline or Flat DB Bench Press – 3 x 8-12 AND Laying down Pull-Over w/ Emphasis on Chest 3 x 8-12
    • Resistance Cable Chest Fly’s 3 x 8-12
    • Skull Crushers – 3 x 8-12
    • Dips – 3 x 8-12
    • Triceps’ Pushdowns – 3 x 12-15
    • Seated Calves – 3 x 10-12 (Toes out & Toes in) & Standing Calves – 5-6 x 10-12 (Toes straight)

    FRIDAY: Cardio (Stair Master 40 Minutes + AB’s)

    SATURDAY: Upper back / Lower back
    Warm-up…. 12-15 Minutes Stair Master Approx. 120-150 Calories & Foam Roller….
    Sumo Deadlift (5/3/1) – Strength
    Sumo Deadlift – 4 x 8-12 (%50-%60 1 Rep Max) – Hypotrophy

    Accessory/Assisted Lifts:
    • Wide Grip pull-ups – 3 x 8-12
    • Bent Over Barbell Rows OR T-Bar Rows – 3 x 8-12
    • Close Grip Pull-Down – 3 x 8-12
    • Single Arm DB Rows – 3 x 8-12
    • Close grip seated rows – 3 x 8-12
    • Hyper Extension – 3 x 10-15* (Superset w/ bodyweight – IE: 10 reps w/ 25lb plate followed by 5 reps w/ bodyweight)

    SUNDAY: (Rest Day)

  2. Registered User
    Richyyrich's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    31

    UPDATE:

    So I put in my order the other day and decided to only get the Test-E. Since my first cycle (Ten6Hundred) was a blend I didn't have to worry about mixing anything myself... This isn't a blend so I decided I want to try and keep this cycle as simple as possible..

    Weeks:
    1-15 Test - E 250mg (once on Tuesday, once on Saturday)
    1-16 HCG - 250iu (once on Tuesday, once on Saturday)...Should I lower to 125iu 2x a week?? I don't want to abuse this and desensitize my boys.
    1-18 A-Dex .25mg (25mg EOD for 18 weeks)

    Weeks:
    17-21 Nolva: 40/40/20/20 ... Maybe 40/30/20/10? What do you guys think?
    17-21 Beast Super Test (Anabolic Test Support + Nitric Oxide Support + Estrogen Control + DHT Control + Liver/Kidney Detox)

    Let me know what you guys think..Thanks
  3. Registered User
    Richyyrich's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    31

    Bump.....anyone? Critiques would be insightful! :-)
    •   
       

  4. Registered User
    TheRage1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    217
    Rep Power
    6163

    Quote Originally Posted by Richyyrich View Post
    UPDATE:

    So I put in my order the other day and decided to only get the Test-E. Since my first cycle (Ten6Hundred) was a blend I didn't have to worry about mixing anything myself... This isn't a blend so I decided I want to try and keep this cycle as simple as possible..

    Weeks:
    1-15 Test - E 250mg (once on Tuesday, once on Saturday)
    1-16 HCG - 250iu (once on Tuesday, once on Saturday)...Should I lower to 125iu 2x a week?? I don't want to abuse this and desensitize my boys.
    1-18 A-Dex .25mg (25mg EOD for 18 weeks)

    Weeks:
    17-21 Nolva: 40/40/20/20 ... Maybe 40/30/20/10? What do you guys think?
    17-21 Beast Super Test (Anabolic Test Support + Nitric Oxide Support + Estrogen Control + DHT Control + Liver/Kidney Detox)

    Let me know what you guys think.Thanks
    Why not do a little higher of test e? 500mg a week is a beginners cycle.. but oh well. Looking good. I'm sure ppl will tell you to begin hcg a little early. Or you can do an all year cycle forever lmao i know ppl who do it and they are healthy
  5. Registered User
    TheRage1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    217
    Rep Power
    6163

    I meant hcg a littles later
  6. Registered User
    TheRage1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    217
    Rep Power
    6163

    Be careful with the adx. Harsh on lipids. Aroma is better. It also hurts your gains. Water retention isn't bad on cycle. But you dont wanna let it out of control for sure too
  7. Registered User
    Richyyrich's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    31

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRage1 View Post
    Be careful with the adx. Harsh on lipids. Aroma is better. It also hurts your gains. Water retention isn't bad on cycle. But you dont wanna let it out of control for sure too
    Hmm I appreciate your input.... Maybe ill just keep it on hand.. I put on water weight and bloat easy so E3D should be cool
  8. Registered User
    TheRage1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    217
    Rep Power
    6163

    Quote Originally Posted by Richyyrich View Post

    Hmm I appreciate your input.... Maybe ill just keep it on hand.. I put on water weight and bloat easy so E3D should be cool
    I do too man lol. It's only for a cycle though.. Itll go away after cycle especially if you keep diet on point.
  9. Registered User
    DangerDave's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    4,847
    Rep Power
    1049558

    Water retention is a sign of higher estrogen levels.... you dont want that. Dose it EOD and keep all water weight away. You want to keep estrogen LOW, not gone but in the normal ranges around 30 or less. Elevated E2 is your enemy, it leads to prostate problems, bloat, fat gain, high emotions (the girly kind) and the list goes on. Why would you want that? Keep it low and in normal ranges and increase your MAN hormones (test) and be Alpha as fock. I see it as poor advice as people say to only take an AI once you show signs of high estrogen... at that point it is too late. Keep it low to start and then you only have to worry about eating and lifting.

    HCG is supressive to your LH and will desensitize your LH production thus making your HPTA recovery much slower. So running it for 17 weeks is detrimental instead of being proactive. You need to use HCG in the middle of the cycle and then stop about 3 weeks before PCT. it is active for a few days after and will slowly leave you system leaving you primed for stimulation via your SERM. Remember after reconstitution it will only be good in your fridge for about 30-45 days before starting to lose potency. So I like to blast it around 500iu 1000iu EW for 4-6 weeks ending about 3 weeks before cycle. At that dose and frequesncy it will not have a negative effect on your LH function. Remember it has a half life of about 5 days. So you would dose E3d- E4d to keep your LH stimulated.

    Aromasin is your best bet for on cycle estrogen control AND in PCT. It is a suicide inhibitor meaning is stops the aromatization by turning off the receptor not blocking it like anastrozol (adex). There is no chance of rebound off of it and after a few days if will have high blood levels and you can pretty much cut the dose in half and run it EOD past your SERM in PCT.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
  10. Registered User
    Richyyrich's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    31

    Thumbs up


    Quote Originally Posted by TheRage1 View Post
    I do too man lol. It's only for a cycle though.. Itll go away after cycle especially if you keep diet on point.
    Ya, that's true. I don't want to mess around and lessen my gains at all....thanks for the input Rage
  11. Registered User
    Richyyrich's Avatar
    Stats
    5'9"  180 lbs.
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    21
    Rep Power
    31

    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave View Post
    Water retention is a sign of higher estrogen levels.... you dont want that. Dose it EOD and keep all water weight away. You want to keep estrogen LOW, not gone but in the normal ranges around 30 or less. Elevated E2 is your enemy, it leads to prostate problems, bloat, fat gain, high emotions (the girly kind) and the list goes on. Why would you want that? Keep it low and in normal ranges and increase your MAN hormones (test) and be Alpha as fock. I see it as poor advice as people say to only take an AI once you show signs of high estrogen... at that point it is too late. Keep it low to start and then you only have to worry about eating and lifting.

    HCG is supressive to your LH and will desensitize your LH production thus making your HPTA recovery much slower. So running it for 17 weeks is detrimental instead of being proactive. You need to use HCG in the middle of the cycle and then stop about 3 weeks before PCT. it is active for a few days after and will slowly leave you system leaving you primed for stimulation via your SERM. Remember after reconstitution it will only be good in your fridge for about 30-45 days before starting to lose potency. So I like to blast it around 500iu 1000iu EW for 4-6 weeks ending about 3 weeks before cycle. At that dose and frequesncy it will not have a negative effect on your LH function. Remember it has a half life of about 5 days. So you would dose E3d- E4d to keep your LH stimulated.

    Aromasin is your best bet for on cycle estrogen control AND in PCT. It is a suicide inhibitor meaning is stops the aromatization by turning off the receptor not blocking it like anastrozol (adex). There is no chance of rebound off of it and after a few days if will have high blood levels and you can pretty much cut the dose in half and run it EOD past your SERM in PCT.
    Wow...no homo dangerdave but I love you hahaha jk....no but seriously I appreciate your knowledge and guidance. Thank u DD.

    Just means ill have to get my hands some aroma now, shouldn't be an issue... But incase there was a slight chance I couldn't would it be cumbersome to my cycle??? U said the adex would/should be dosed EOD, but adding aroma wouldn't be an overkill would it?

    As for the HCG, you're like the 3rd who said start it a bit late, considering my low dosage, it makes complete sense so ill take that in to account.... I was gonna pin the HCG intramuscular @ 500iu a wk for wks 4-9ish, gtg?
  12. Registered User
    TheRage1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    217
    Rep Power
    6163

    Quote Originally Posted by Richyyrich View Post

    Wow...no homo dangerdave but I love you hahaha jk....no but seriously I appreciate your knowledge and guidance. Thank u DD.

    Just means ill have to get my hands some aroma now, shouldn't be an issue... But incase there was a slight chance I couldn't would it be cumbersome to my cycle??? U said the adex would/should be dosed EOD, but adding aroma wouldn't be an overkill would it?

    As for the HCG, you're like the 3rd who said start it a bit late, considering my low dosage, it makes complete sense so ill take that in to account.... I was gonna pin the HCG intramuscular @ 500iu a wk for wks 4-9ish, gtg?
    Imo two ai is overkill unless your like on a gram of two+ substances lol
  13. Registered User
    TheRage1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    217
    Rep Power
    6163

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRage1 View Post

    Imo two ai is overkill unless your like on a gram of two+ substances lol
    Pm me
  14. Registered User
    DangerDave's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    4,847
    Rep Power
    1049558

    Quote Originally Posted by Richyyrich

    Wow...no homo dangerdave but I love you hahaha jk....no but seriously I appreciate your knowledge and guidance. Thank u DD.

    Just means ill have to get my hands some aroma now, shouldn't be an issue... But incase there was a slight chance I couldn't would it be cumbersome to my cycle??? U said the adex would/should be dosed EOD, but adding aroma wouldn't be an overkill would it?

    As for the HCG, you're like the 3rd who said start it a bit late, considering my low dosage, it makes complete sense so ill take that in to account.... I was gonna pin the HCG intramuscular @ 500iu a wk for wks 4-9ish, gtg?
    No do not run 2 AIs at once. I meant of you are running adex use .5mg eod. If you can I would use aromasin over adex.
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
  15. Registered User
    howwedo107's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  200 lbs.
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Posts
    5,306
    Rep Power
    1941541

    Quote Originally Posted by DangerDave

    No do not run 2 AIs at once. I meant of you are running adex use .5mg eod. If you can I would use aromasin over adex.
    Deff agree...aromasin over Adex...I also heard aromasin helps free up SHBG allowing more test to be freed up...in terms of estrogen control 12.5mg aromasin ED always works like a pro for me
    Email me for free prodigy samples
    Ricky@pni-online.com
    www.pni-online.com
  16. Registered User
    DangerDave's Avatar
    Stats
    5'8"  215 lbs.
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    4,847
    Rep Power
    1049558

    Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107

    Deff agree...aromasin over Adex...I also heard aromasin helps free up SHBG allowing more test to be freed up...in terms of estrogen control 12.5mg aromasin ED always works like a pro for me
    Couldn't have said it better
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
  •   

      
     

Similar Forum Threads

  1. First cycle - test only, do I need HCG?
    By dodgy in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 06-05-2013, 08:56 PM
  2. Ideal blood tests for low testosterone and HCG.
    By ColtSSBR in forum Male Anti-Aging Medicine
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 01-19-2011, 10:13 PM
  3. Test,mast,tren question
    By rogan in forum Old School Hormone Use
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 06-24-2010, 09:49 AM
  4. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 10-17-2008, 11:24 AM
  5. Help with Fertility - Dr. wants off Test and on Clomid or HCG
    By corndog in forum Male Anti-Aging Medicine
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 07-17-2008, 12:24 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Log in

Log in