hi there

I am 39 years old, have been training brazilian jiu jitsu for almost 6 years now and am getting ready for my third prohormone cycle. i am interested in increasing my strength and some muscles, but don't want to gain too much weight since I want to stay in the same weight class.

I train 2-3 times jiu jitsu per week and go running on the crosstrainer for an hour once a week. I don't really work out in the gym, however, I have a machine for working the back (back roman hyper by hoist), and a flat/incline/decline bench with weights that I try to use daily for about 30min. I also have mats layed out in my flat and some other handy training equipment to do practical exercises.

my stats
height: 5'10" (1.78m)
weight: 163.8lbs (74.3kg)
BMI: 23.4
fat: 26.01lbs (11.8kg)

I have have done two cycles this year so far:

1st cycle

march 12th-april 8th ON:

ultradrol by antaeus labs (2mg Methylstenbolone (2a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-1-ene-3-one)): 3 capsules/d, in the morning
trenazone by antaeus labs (hydroxyestradienone ('dienolone')): 1ml/d in the morning

in addition:

cycle assist by competitive edge labs: 3 capsuless/d in the morning
N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine - 750 mg
Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) - 500 mg
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) - 500 mg 5000%
Hawthorn Berry Extract (Standardized to 1.8% Vitexin) - 300 mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine HCL) - 50mg 2500 %
Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) - 160 mg
Celery Seed Extract (10:1) - 75 mg
Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) - 75 mg
Policosanol - 20 mg
Zinc Gluconate - 15 mg 100%
Magnesium Stearate

april 9th-may 6th OFF:

recycle by purus labs: 3 capsules/d in the morning
Tribulus Alatus --------------- 500mg
Macuna Pruriens --------------- 400mg
Basella Alba ------------------ 400mg
Icariin ----------------------- 250mg
3,4-Divanillytetrahydrofuran -- 200mg
Bladderwrack ------------------ 350mg
White Button Mushroom --------- 300mg
Resveratrol ------------------- 250mg
Indole-3-Carbinol ------------- 100mg
Quercetin --------------------- 60mg
Piperine ---------------------- 50mg

drive by applied nutriceuticals: 4 capsules/d in the morning
A4E2 ATP Synthase(TM)
410.00 mg
Cordyceps (7% Cordyceptic Acid)
Dodder Seed Extract (20:1 Cuscutta Chineses)
Naringin (98% Extract)
StAR 35 Anaplex(TM)
90.00 mg
Epimedium Extract (40% Icarlin)
Forslean® (20%)

cycle assist by competitive edge labs: 3 capsules/d in the morning

tamoxifene citrate (20mg/ml): 1ml/d in the morning


2nd cycle

june 11th-july 8th ON:

trenavol-v by chapparal labs (Estra-4,9 diene-3,17 dione - 30 mg): 3 capsules/d in the morning
pro-epi by dragon nutrition (10mg-2a, 3a-Epithio-17a-Methyl- 5a-Androstan-17b-Ol): 3 capsules/d in the morning

in addition:
protect by iron labs: 3 capsuless/d in the morning
Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) - 500 mg
N-Acetyl-L-Cystenine (NAC) - 400mg
Hawthorn Berry Extract (Standardized to 1.8% Vitexin) - 400 mg
Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) - 200 mg
Celery Seed Extract - 75 mg
Grape Seed Extract - 75 mg

july 9th-august 5th OFF:

protect by iron labs: 3 capsules/d in the morning

drive by applied nutriceuticals: 4 capsules/d in the morning

recycle by purus labs: 3 capsules/d in the morning

tamoxifene citrate (20mg/ml): 1ml/d in the morning


I have to admit that I never felt any adverse effects, no acne, no liver pain whatsoever during these first two cycles. I gained muscles nicely - moreso during the first cycle (ca. 8kg), during the second cycle a little bit less (ca. 5kg) - and was able to keep quite some gains after cycle stop. I did not do any special dietting and did the same training regimen as mentioned above.

I have gotten a blood sample a week ago which looks as follows:
TG: 1.48mmol/l
Chol: 5.15 mmol/l
BIL: 17.2 ymol/l
CREA: 79.9 ymol/l
GOT: 21.9 U/l
GPT: 19.3 U/l
GGT: 14.4 U/l


my plans for my 3rd cycle are as follows:

november 19th- december 16th ON:

pro-epi: 2 capsules/d, 1x in the morning, 1x in the afternoon
pro-tren: 2 capsules/d, 1x in the morning, 1x in the afternoon

cycle assist by competitive edge labs: 4 capsules/d, 2x in the morning, 2x in the afternoon

december 17th-january 13th OFF:

p.c.t. assist by competitive edge labs: 4 capsules/d, 2x in the morning, 2x in the afternoon
Trans Resveratrol (50%) - 500 mg
Indole 3 Carbinol - 175 mg
Horny Goat Weed (standardized fro 40% Icariin) - 250 mg
Mucuna Pruriens SE (Precision Blended 95% & 20% Extracts) - 250 mg
Piperine (95%) - 20 mg

cycle assist by competitive edge labs: 4 capsules/d, 2x in the morning, 2x in the afternoon

tamoxifene citrate (20mg/ml): 1ml/d in the morning


I would greatly appreciate if you could give me some feedback especially on the following points:

- would you add anything or leave out something ON/OFF (also in the previous two cycles)?
- shall I add clomiphene during PCT or is tamoxifene sufficient?
- is it crucial to divide the daily dosage of the several products into two dosages per day or can I take it all in the morning (better for compliance)? if two dosages per day is better, when would be best to take them timewise?
- how long would you wait in the future in between two cycles?
- is there any rule of thumb how many cycles you can do during a year?
- what is really crucial to take during PCT? are natural hormone boosters (i.e. drive by applied nutriceuticals, recycle by purus labs) necessary, if you already take tamoxifene citrate and/or clomiphene?
- is it important to start with an on-cycle support (like i.e. cycle assist by competitive edge) already before starting your cycle? if so, how long before? in such a case would you take the full dosage from the beginning or do a dosage escalation until cycle start?
- when exactly is the best time to do a blood sample? what parameters should such a sample contain?

a lot of questions, I know ;-), i still hope you will take your time and help me learn from your experience! thanx a lot for your help, I really appreciate it!