CYCLE HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!
- 10-11-2012, 03:37 PM
CYCLE HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!
I'm running this cycle soon as a bulk and wondering if the doses and pct are enough! any help is appreciated!
Testosterone Enthanate 12 weeks 500 mg twice weekly.
Dianabol 30 mg ED 6 weeks
Deca Durabolin 400 mg
Proviron 50 mg ED
"Nolvadex 10-20 mg if I feel pain in my nipples because of the aromatizations"
Natural Test Booster.
- 10-12-2012, 01:12 PM
You'll need an aromataze inhibitor like armidex or aromasin for during your cycle and since your running Nolva you'll need aromasin in pct.
- 10-12-2012, 01:22 PM
What are you using proviron for?
Which test booster?
No need to run nolva 6 weeks 4 is good(40/40/20/20). I would recommend clomid (100/50/50/25) to run along side nolva. Like said before you need a AI, use aromasin 12.5mg ED through out cycle and PCT no need taper in PCT since it is a suicide AI.
10-13-2012, 06:12 AM
Thanks for the help guys! @ gregg1494 I thought proviron is an AI?? Deca would run same as test for 12 weeks
10-13-2012, 06:13 AM
10-13-2012, 06:58 AM
Proviron is a dht compound not an aromataze inhibitor. Also you might want to stop deca 1-2 weeks prior to test as it has a longer ester. You won't be able to kickstart your "boys" while deca is still suppressing them.Originally Posted by anabolicdudee
10-13-2012, 10:44 AM
Proviron is used during a cycle of steroids because it acts as an anti-estrogen in that due to the drug's unique structure it has a higher affinity to the aromatize enzyme than testosterone, but at the same time it does not convert to estrogen. This in turn means that if you administer Proviron with testosterone, Proviron will bind to the aromatize enzyme very strongly, which will not allow the testosterone to convert to estrogen and bind with the receptor. This will prevent the usual estrogen build up seen with testosterone like compounds. Due to Proviron's mechanism of action, using steroids and employing Proviron will prevent the estrogenic side effects and water retention seen while using some of the more androgenic steroids. It has also been noted that Proviron will increase levels of testosterone during a cycle. The mechanism of action for this effect is difficult to explain, but it allows for more of the synthetic testosterone employed during your cycle to be used more efficiently, and not be converted to the hormone estrogen. Proviron is seen to be effective at dosages from 25mg all the way up to 150mg. Another aspect worth mentioning is that Proviron should not be used post cycle. Proviron should only be used during a cycle because it is an androgen, and when coming of Proviron you could experience some negative effects with your body's natural testosterone levels.
Some basic Proviron guidelines
25mg ED is good to free up more test in a test cycle
50mg+ is good to increase sex drive without test, plus the one above
100mg+ will do pretty well at reducing estrogenic effects, plus the 2 above
10-13-2012, 01:48 PM
hmmm thanks for the help guys! I'm thinking about not taking the deca and staying with TEST E 500 MG for 12 weeks and DBOL 30 MG for 6 weeks do I still need an AI tho?
10-13-2012, 02:04 PM
10-13-2012, 02:37 PM
Thanks a lot for the help greg! really appreciated man so the cycle should be like this right?
Testosterone Enthanate 500 mg for 12 weeks dose split 250 mg twice weekly let's say monday and thursday?
Dbol 40 mg for 4 weeks
Proviron 50 mg ED for 12 weeks
ok now this part is confusing,should I take Armidex 0.5 EOD throughout the cycle and Nolvadex at 10-20 mg throughout or one of them is enough? also it's confusing that people mix between AI and SERMS a lot,like armidex kills estrogen in ur system and nolvadex just blocks it,or I only should take AI and or SERM when i feel a sore nipple or I just start with them just in case from day 1? I also heard that these compounds reduce gains from cycles i don't know if that is true?Plus should I use LIV52 only during the first 4 weeks or the entire cycle or shouldn't use it at all until after?because I also heard somewhere that it might make the gains from the cycle less? I know that these are a lot of questions but this is my first REAL cycle,"I've ran an anavar only cycle before"So I'm trying to get the most help possible from people who are veteran in the anabolic world,anyways thanks again greg and any help is appreciated much!
10-13-2012, 03:22 PM
* SERM (Selective estrogen receptor modulators) attaches to the estrogen receptor in the breast so estorgen can not bind with it.
* AI (aromatase inhibitors) inhibit the action of the aromatase enzyme, which converts androgens into estrogens.
10-13-2012, 03:44 PM
Thanks again man! so if gyno symptoms appear I stop using Aromasin and use nolvadex instead and continue until the end of cycle or I use Nolvadex with Aromasin until the end of cycle or until the symptoms go away? what do you mean by suicide AI and what do you think about letro?
10-13-2012, 03:47 PM
Plus is Liv52 alone enough for liver protection? and what would be the dose? and I don't know much about Aromasin Dosing and use how would you recommend?
10-13-2012, 03:49 PM
I also read somewhere that nolvadex reduces IGF levels and clomid does emotional problems and affects vision,do you know if there is any other SERM than these two which has less sides or no sides? and is Nolvadex alone for example enough for PCT? Thanks again and I'm sorry about all these questions
10-13-2012, 04:02 PM
If gyno symptoms appear, stay on the AI just start nolva 20mg ED and continue the use till end of cycle.Originally Posted by anabolicdudee
10-13-2012, 04:03 PM
Yes liv52 is great. And dose it at recommended on label. As far Aromasin dose at 12.5mg EDOriginally Posted by anabolicdudee
10-13-2012, 04:06 PM
Yes nolva and clomid have been know to do both. But there is no drug that had no side effects. Nolva and clomid both for pct. And im on mobile now so my answers will probably be shorter. And ask all the questions you have, I'll do my best to answer them.Originally Posted by anabolicdudee
10-13-2012, 04:09 PM
10-13-2012, 04:31 PM
Man you rock! thanks a lot for the help! It's so appreciated :') You should be the next president,GREG>OBAMA AND ROMNEY! GO GREG! xP
10-13-2012, 04:37 PM
LAST QUESTION FOR REAL! for the injection I will probably get a friend to do it for me and I'm sure he knows how to inject but I was wondering If I need to educate myself about injecting?or self injection is not recommended and dangerous? Plus I've heard things like Direct Muscle Injection,Underskin,Undirect,I ntravenously,Subcutaneously,th rough a vein,in the middle of the muscle,upper/inner heads/edges,I was wondering what type of inject do you guys take,where and with what size of needle? I also heard that when you pull let's say test in the needle you need to remove air so u pull a lil bit of the syringe out so some oil goes out,now my question is will the oil that will come out affect the dosage?like if i take 500 mg of test e and when the air removal process happend some oil got out and the dose let's say was 450 mg for example or it's a very low change like 499mg or so? I think a lot I know but I'm a very curious person and care about details a lot xP and thanks again man,you rock for real!
10-13-2012, 05:04 PM
10-21-2012, 03:43 PM
Arimidex would be better for on cycle (it will help promote healthy estrogen while keeping it from rising), Aromsasin for pct to prevent high estrogen levels while test comes back, and let your BLOODS show you when pct is over. Don't stop taking your serms or other ancillaries if your not fully recovered. This is why so many people get gyno. They just assume bro science myths like pct = time on. Be responsible. Get bloods.
Liv.52 kick ass.....4 a day and your set. You can go as little as 3 but why? You want to enjoy your cycle, not abruptly stop it.
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