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    SD & Dermacine bridge to Epi log


    Hey all! I'm fixing to do my first log on this site in a week and thought I'd go ahead an log my results. This will be my 4th DS cycle and decided with the SD bridging to Epi, to combat any gyno issues. I've never had any in the past but, not looking to make it a first. My cycle will look like this:

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    Dermacrine 4 pumps a day for the first 4 weeks
    IBE Epistane 0/0/30/45/45/60

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    AI not sure but leaning towards Erase prolly dose 0/0/3/3/2/1
    Bioforge

    I'm looking at doing a lean bulk with about 5k cals for the first 4 weeks and going super high in carbs, and then tapering off towards the end.
    Im going to be ramping up the carbs and cals again in PCT. This first week I won't log my diet or workouts while I'm pre-loading but, if I get bored, I may do so. I'm also going to post up some pics later this week before I actually start the dosing. Follow along, post up, ask questions, give advice, what ever is welcome. Thanks for looking.
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    Very interested! Keep us updated. I just began my SD run and was thinking of bridging into Epi
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    Why running Dermacrine for 4 weeks instead of 6?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris223
    Why running Dermacrine for 4 weeks instead of 6?
    Well, because its expensive and hard to find, plus I'm just using it to battle lethargy and to keep my libido up during the SD. I shouldn't have any of those problems while using the Epi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078 View Post
    Well, because its expensive and hard to find, plus I'm just using it to battle lethargy and to keep my libido up during the SD. I shouldn't have any of those problems while using the Epi.
    While I don't contest your plan, Epi can suprise some guys with libido issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy
    While I don't contest your plan, Epi can suprise some guys with libido issues.
    Now I'm second guessing.
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    The derm would be nice for those final weeks, I don't even know off hand if it is in stock. I am not saying you need it though, some dont have any libido issues, and others have positive libido changes, all depends on individual.
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    Well looks like Saturday is D Day. Been doing a full body split the last two weeks and undecided on what kind of split or frequency for the cycle. Wife is gonna bust out the clippers and get me all prepped for pics still to come. Getting antsy!
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    Well I still don't have a a freaking training split. I do know this, M/W/F and Sun are my early days. Which I will reserve for cardio and lighter work. Tue and Thur are my late days, so I will prolly reserve for bigger body parts such as Legs and Back. I'm thinking Chest/Back I will pair and do legs by themselves. Will just play it by ear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078 View Post
    Well I still don't have a a freaking training split. I do know this, M/W/F and Sun are my early days. Which I will reserve for cardio and lighter work. Tue and Thur are my late days, so I will prolly reserve for bigger body parts such as Legs and Back. I'm thinking Chest/Back I will pair and do legs by themselves. Will just play it by ear.
    I always like using a saturday or sunday for my heavy work.
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    Well I didn't make it to the gym this past weekend. I ended up going hunting the last two days but I did hit up the gym this am. I started dosing on Sat. and only did 10 mg knowing I wasn't going in to the gym. Did the same thing Sun. Didn't track my macros, shame on me! However, today is a new day. Workout this am was back and bis.

    Bent over BB rows 225x4x12
    Barbell Curls 21's 67x21x3
    Lat Pull Downs 135x15, 165x12, 190x10, 205x8
    Cable Curls 100x15, 120x10, 130x8, 140x8,
    Seated Rows 135x15, 165x10, 190x8, 205x4
    Alt DB Curls 45x12, 50x10, 55x8, 60x6
    Bent over DB rows 70x12, 80x10, 85x8, 85x6

    Felt pretty good this morning and feeling in a great mood. No noticeable sides but one, I get a red itchy rash from the dermacrine but I had that problem last time I ran it. No biggie. Will try to get my pics up tonight as I try to get this log up and running full steam. Will post my diet today as well.
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    I seem to get the red application area only on my upper chest. No idea why just that location.
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    Yesterday's macros:

    1 scoop of whey

    3 eggs
    3 egg whites
    1/4 cup of Colby Jack
    1/2 cup oats
    1 tbspn PB

    2 tbspn PB

    8 oz ground venison
    1/2 cup of brown rice
    Romaine Salad w/light Caesar

    1/2 cup of oats
    1 scoop of whey

    4 oz pork shoulder
    1 whole wheat tortilla
    2 slices of Swiss

    12 oz top sirloin
    1 sweet potato

    1 cup of cottage cheese
    4 tbspn of light cool whip
    1 scoop of whey
    2 tbspn of PB

    3800 cals. 352 protein 200 carbs 162 fats

    I'm not liking these numbers so much. I may lay off the fats and up the carbs. I know I said 5000 cals was the goal but I'm thinking like 4000 is ok. I feel like a bloated fish. 2300 is BMR and 3000 will get me gaining. Ima stick with 3500-4000 for now.
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    Pics from today. 245 lbs here. Saturdays weight was 238 up 7 lbs. I suspect water weight for sure. Will post today's workout along with my macros later on.
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    Wow, 7 lbs from since saturday, lol.
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    Again, I suspect it is merely water weight. This considering my diet right before hand was low carb and I'm now doubling my daily water intake.
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    Last nights workout I trained Chest and Tris:

    Incline Bench Press
    135x12 225x8 225x7 225x6

    Overhead Tri Ext
    100x8x4

    Incline DB Fly
    40'sx15 45'sx10 50'sx8 55'sx8

    Cable Push downs 21's
    120x21 140x21 160x21

    Incline Wide Grip Pushup
    12, 12, 10, 10

    Reverse grip cable pushdown
    100x15 110x12 120x10 130x8

    Pec Dec
    95x15 110x12 130x8 135x8

    Didn't hit the calories I wanted yesterday 290 protein 207 carbs 116 fats 3200 cals for the day.
    It hit the gym for cardio this am and did 45 min on the elliptical at 140-150 bpm and plan on cutting the carbs for today and ramping them up again tomorrow for leg workout tomorrow night. I'm felling pretty good aside from feeling bloated. I think the dermacrine has done a good job so far, bc I dont feel tired and my libido has felt really high. I just may try to scrounge up another bottle for the end of the cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078 View Post
    Again, I suspect it is merely water weight. This considering my diet right before hand was low carb and I'm now doubling my daily water intake.
    Oh I agree with you, especially making that transition, but it is always crazy to see the fast retention from SD.
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    Yesterday's Macros: 3600 total cals, 413 protein, 138 fat, 172 carbs. Dropped my carbs but not like I was shooting for. That's ok tho. All of my carbs have been complex. I'm really thinking of ditching my oats in lieu of grits and really liking the sweet potatoes, brown rice, and white potatoes. They leave me feeling full but not bloated. I'm gonna eat my first dirty meal of the cycle tonight after working legs. I'm thinking pizza or something. Is there anything I can add instead of oats for carbs in my shakes that will get me my carbs but not feel so bloated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078 View Post
    Yesterday's Macros: 3600 total cals, 413 protein, 138 fat, 172 carbs. Dropped my carbs but not like I was shooting for. That's ok tho. All of my carbs have been complex. I'm really thinking of ditching my oats in lieu of grits and really liking the sweet potatoes, brown rice, and white potatoes. They leave me feeling full but not bloated. I'm gonna eat my first dirty meal of the cycle tonight after working legs. I'm thinking pizza or something. Is there anything I can add instead of oats for carbs in my shakes that will get me my carbs but not feel so bloated?

    Are you trying to target the carb intake for the day? I noticed that if I go into a workout semi depleted, I can have even relatively high GI carbs (dextrose) and not feel bloated. Stomach feels full, but body doesn't show any bloat.
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    Yeah my goal is to hit 200+ while cycling to take advantage of the compound. It's discouraging because I feel fat, so now I'm jogging around ideas in my head to hit the carbs without the bloat, while staying moderate GI on my carbs.

    On a side note, I was awarded a bottle of PES Erase Pro for my PCT along with a bottle of DAA.
    My question, should I ditch the Bioforge in lieu of the DAA or add the Bioforge? I'm obligated to run and log the DAA, so it's gonna stay.

    One last thing, I was reminded that the Epsitane is a 10mg dose and not the 15mg I once ran before, so my dosing will look a little diff. I'm thinking 0/0/30/40/50/60 to wrap things up.
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    sub'd super interested and keep up the good work
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    Today's workout:
    Hack Squat
    225x10, 315x8, 405x6, 405x4,

    Unilateral cable lateral raise
    20x15, 30x12, 50x10, 60x10

    Unilateral Leg Ext
    45x10, 70x10, 90x10, 115x8,

    DB Lateral Raise
    25x12, 30x10, 35x8, 40x6,

    Unilateral Leg Curl
    45x10, 70x10, 80x6,

    Rear delt DB fly
    20x10, 25x10, 30x10, 35x8,

    Squat
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    Seated leg curl
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    Quote Originally Posted by LITERaCOLA
    sub'd super interested and keep up the good work
    Thanks man and welcome aboard.

    All I have to say is holy back pumps and calf pumps. Time to put the taurine to good use. I have a rotator cuff injury from years ago playing softball nagging me so I'm taking it easy on my shoulders. It really gives me hell doing bench press. Will post today's macros tomorrow. Haven't noticed any strength increases yet, hoping week two I will start seeing lifts go up. I definitely feel pumped and can go longer in the gym.
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    I freaking hit the carb motherload yesterday! My macros were 311 protein 422 carbs 100 fats 3700 cals. I've decided just to keep my carbs high, while running the beast, just like I planned, and deal with the bloat. I'm just gonna keep the oats to a minimum because its after I eat them when I feel the worst. I will post my weight tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078
    I freaking hit the carb motherload yesterday! My macros were 311 protein 422 carbs 100 fats 3700 cals. I've decided just to keep my carbs high, while running the beast, just like I planned, and deal with the bloat. I'm just gonna keep the oats to a minimum because its after I eat them when I feel the worst. I will post my weight tomorrow.
    Wow that's great. I'm currently on taking about 200. In two weeks ima try and go to 250-300. Never went that high so I can imagine getting 422. Whoa mama lol. Good sh!t brotha. For us to bulk sometimes we need to forget about bloat, and abs and worry about size until our cut. Oats is very good though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078 View Post
    Thanks man and welcome aboard.

    All I have to say is holy back pumps and calf pumps. Time to put the taurine to good use. I have a rotator cuff injury from years ago playing softball nagging me so I'm taking it easy on my shoulders. It really gives me hell doing bench press. Will post today's macros tomorrow. Haven't noticed any strength increases yet, hoping week two I will start seeing lifts go up. I definitely feel pumped and can go longer in the gym.
    Shoulder injuries blow. But ya definitely add taurine. If you need a good joint supp cissus it up.
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    Yesterday's macros were 3700 cals 128 fat, 321 carbs, and 331 protein. There was some dirty cals in there yesterday. I didnt train yeterday but did an hour of cardio when i woke up. Today I woke up weighed 245 no change since last time i weighed. Today I also trained Chest and Tris. I had a spotter so I took advantage of that and gauged where I was on my bench press press. Here was the workout.

    Bench Press
    135x15, 225x12, 275x8, 315x1, 335x1, 355x1, 225x13

    Incline fly
    25'sx15, 30sx12, 35sx12, 40sx12,

    Dips
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    Elevated push up
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    Pushdowns
    80x12, 100x12, 110x10, 120x8

    One arm overhead DB ext
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    Tomorrow is an off day but may hit the gym in the morning for cardio. Nothing really new to report.
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    Does the bioforge contain DAA? If not you can use both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy
    Does the bioforge contain DAA? If not you can use both.
    No it does not. I have done a little research and was surprised to find a few who ran Erase, DAA, and Bioforge. Not necessarily in a PCT format tho. I wouldn't see any harm. I haven't found a dosing protocol for it yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magg0078 View Post
    No it does not. I have done a little research and was surprised to find a few who ran Erase, DAA, and Bioforge. Not necessarily in a PCT format tho. I wouldn't see any harm. I haven't found a dosing protocol for it yet.
    Yeah I would go for it without concern. Should be a decent stack.
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    Sorry no updates the last couple days. Been out bow hunting trying to put some more deer in the freezer. I'm back home today getting ready to hit back and bis.
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    Just got done with my back and bis workout it went a little like this:

    EZ Bar Curl 21's
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    Lat Pull Downs V bar
    135x15, 150x12, 165x10, 180x8

    Incline DB Curls
    25sx10, 30sx10, 35sx10, 40sx8,

    DB Pullovers
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    Prone T Bar Rows
    2 plates x 12, 3 plates x 10, 4 plates x8x2,

    Standing One Arm Cable Rows
    60x15, 70x12, 80x12, 100x10

    Machine Lat Pulls wide grip
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    One Arm Preacher Curls (drop sets)
    (40sx10, 30sx10, 25sx10, 20sx10)x3

    Getting ready to down some eggs and grits, will go back tonight for a little cardio, trap, and calf work. Starting to feel that Alpha Feel and really loving the SD/Dermacrine Combo! I just now noticing strength increases but noticing that I'm feeling a little more sluggish. Hopefully when I start the Epi on Sat, this will subside a little.
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    The ground beef I'm cooking with. Almost no fat, fresh from a local farm.
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    I wish I had access to farm fresh meat in the city, it's here, just really expensive.
    Just inject.
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  37. New Member
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    5'10"  230 lbs.
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    Jan 2011
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    132
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    125
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    11
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    38.27%

    Sorry for not logging on, but I'd thought I'd check in. As far as my macros have been, I really don't have a clue. I'm ashamed but I've been trying to follow close to my protocol. I did some light shoulder work yesterday in the gym along with 30 min of cardio and also some trap work. I also went and played golf yesterday and doing so injured my foot. I don't know how, just know I woke up with it hurting. Feels like a sprain. I'm still gonna try to train legs today. I'm now noticing huge mood swings and heavy lethargy. I have almost no drive, but to eat and sleep. My libido is still high and noticing a lot of heavy sweating though out the day. My dreams have been a little crazy. I think the compound has fully kicked in. I'm gonna try to keep my spirits high and keep pushing. I will be sure to track my workout and macros again.
    IF IT HAS FOUR LEGS OR SWIMS OR FILES, IT DIES!
  38. New Member
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    5'10"  230 lbs.
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    Jan 2011
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    132
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    11
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    Stiff Leg Deads
    135x15, 225x8x4

    Leg Ext
    135x15, 145x12, 170x10, 190x8

    Prone Leg Curl
    130x8x4

    Squat
    135x15, 225x8, 315x8x3

    Calf Raises
    225x10x4

    DB Lunges
    30x10x4

    The pain in my foot subsided after I got moving around. It's still sore but I managed a good leg workout. I did 10gs taurine preworkout, but back pumps were fn crazy. Legs are pumped for sure.
    IF IT HAS FOUR LEGS OR SWIMS OR FILES, IT DIES!
  39. Primordial Performance Rep
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    Everything you described is in line with SD coming into play at full force.
    Just inject.
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  40. New Member
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    5'10"  230 lbs.
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    I went back in to the gym this evening and did a chest workout.

    Low Pulley Cable Flys
    80x15, 100x10, 120x10, 140x8,

    Bench Press
    135x15, 225x10, 225x8x3

    Pec Fly Machine
    75x8x4,

    Incline DB press
    65sx10, 70sx10, 75sx8x2,

    DB Flys
    30sx12, 35sx10, 40sx8, 45sx8,

    Sick pumps, especially after pre-exhausting before doing bench press. Going back in the am to do arms. Changing up my split just to switch things up a bit.
    IF IT HAS FOUR LEGS OR SWIMS OR FILES, IT DIES!
  

  
 

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