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    Pushing the Limits - 7 Weeks on Epi


    I am going to be logging a cycle of Epi-Strong, its an Epi clone dosed at 15mg per cap.



    I am a 27 year old male, and this is going to be my second cycle. First cycle was H-Drol and that was about a year ago. I am going to be using this cycle to try and recomp a little bit. Right now I am at 14% bf and I would like to see that come down a bit.

    I am planning on pushing things a little this time though. Assuming everything is going well and gains have not dropped off and sides are not too extreme, I will run this for up to 7 weeks and maybe up to 60mg/day. I am going to be running AI cycle support to help keep my organs happy. (As happy as they can be while running a methyl)

    Now, I am not saying I am FOR SURE going to be running the epi for 7 weeks. If my body feels like sh*t around week 5, then I stop the Epi at week 5. If I am feeling good and am still seeing strength gains then I will keep going up to 7 weeks. Bottom line, I will be listening to my body.


    I will be having BP read every 3-4 days. Right now I am usually right around 116/75 so hopefully BP wont be too much of an issue on this cycle, especially with the AI cycle support.



    (*Edit* Goals and diet are listed in post #8)


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    Cycle Layout, Supps & PCT


    Cycle Layout

    Epi-Strong – 30/45/45/45/45/45/45 (I may bump up to 60mg starting week 4 depending on gains and if sides aren't bad.)



    On Cycle Supps

    AI Cycle Support
    Glucosamine, MSM, Hyaluronic Acid
    Fish Oil
    Multi-V
    Whey



    PCT Layout

    Nolva - 20/20/20/10
    DAA - 3 gr/day for 6 weeks starting day 1 of pct
    Erase - Will start around week 3 (not sure how I will dose it yet)
    Endosurge – Start day 1 of pct and will run for 8 weeks
    Lit-Up – Preworkout
    *plus all of the on cycle supps
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    For 7 weeks u'll proabably need to increase the dosage at the end, but that's comes down to how u r responding
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    For 7 weeks u'll proabably need to increase the dosage at the end, but that's comes down to how u r responding
    Yea, originally I was thinking to do something like this: 30/45/45/45/60/60/60

    This is my first time using epi though, so I thought I should start out with a more conservative approach and see how i respond and up the dose as needed. However, I might drop the second week of 30 though and bump it up to 45 starting the second week.
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    To dosage erase, use airbornes method... Start week 1 of pct 1/2/3/3/2/1.

    Second what r ur goals with this cycle, reason I ask is personal I would run a test base like 4ad from AMS, and I would mix in some trenazone or trenavar cuz the are awesome. Sure it's a little extra money but the addition of tren is pretty nice . Id run trenazone at 2ml for 6 weeks or trenavar at 60-90mg for 8 weeks.
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    And 7 weeks of epi isn't really that wild. Maybe look in to some UDCA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    To dosage erase, use airbornes method... Start week 1 of pct 1/2/3/3/2/1.
    Thanks man, that sounds like a good way to go.
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    Goals For Cycle


    I am going to be recomping during this cycle.

    I am planning on eating about 300 cals over maintenance on days i lift and will be eating right at maintenance on cardio and off days. I might tweak this depending on how things are going on the cycle, but that works pretty well for me when I am natty. I have never tried to recomp on cycle before. Last time was an all out bulk.

    I will be drinking 1.5-2 gals of water/day

    My macro breakdown is going to be around 50/30/20 (p/c/f) on off days and closer to 40/40/20 on lifting days.

    I use an app on my phone and track every single thing I eat or drink.

    Ultimately I would like to drop a couple BF% while gaining some strength.
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    U should real consider adding tren it will cut u up nicely, or furuza but epi will already dry out ur joints do that might really dry u up
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    Subbed, sounds like a fun time bro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaDgErFaN View Post
    Subbed, sounds like a fun time bro!
    Thanks man, glad to have you along for the ride!
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    I am using cycle support on a ternavar /protomax stack and bp readings have been good the whole cycle

    I am pre contest and have been using ec stack with alpha yohimbine so calories are lower and no extra fat or carbs or simple carbs or anything, bodyfat is extremely low and I kept it low year round so this helps a ton.

    if my bodyfat is 15 % or so and I use ec bp readings are moderate like 120/80. I think bodyfat levels play a huge role and thats why I am a big believer in staying lean, not tipped, lean, year round
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    Quote Originally Posted by threeFs View Post
    Subbed. Heard nothing but good about Epi
    Thanks for following along! Yea, a lot of great feedback out there on epi, I am really excited to be trying this compound!


    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    I am using cycle support on a ternavar /protomax stack and bp readings have been good the whole cycle

    I am pre contest and have been using ec stack with alpha yohimbine so calories are lower and no extra fat or carbs or simple carbs or anything, bodyfat is extremely low and I kept it low year round so this helps a ton.

    if my bodyfat is 15 % or so and I use ec bp readings are moderate like 120/80. I think bodyfat levels play a huge role and thats why I am a big believer in staying lean, not ripped, lean, year round
    Glad to hear the cycle support has kept BP readings normal!
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    So I decided to bump up the start date to tomorrow. I have already been preloading my cycle support and joint support for over two weeks, as I was planning on preloading everything a little longer than the 2 week recommendation. So I am g2g there!

    So tomorrow morning will be the first dose.
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    FWIW - I am in my 6th week of Epi recomp. I had to bump to 60 @ wk4. My cycle has been 30/40/40/60/60/60

    So far my body is still handling well. I added MENT at week 5 to help my lethargy which has been my only side and started late week 1 or week 2.

    I have enough Epi to go another week so I too will be venturing past the 6 week mark. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by daniel11 View Post
    FWIW - I am in my 6th week of Epi recomp. I had to bump to 60 @ wk4. My cycle has been 30/40/40/60/60/60

    So far my body is still handling well. I added MENT at week 5 to help my lethargy which has been my only side and started late week 1 or week 2.

    I have enough Epi to go another week so I too will be venturing past the 6 week mark. :-)
    Yea, I have heard a lot of people say they felt they needed to go up towards 60mg. If thats the case for me, so be it. I have a ton of this Epi-Strong. I got a bunch when they (*********) discontinued it and were having a BOGO sale.

    Glad to hear you have been virtually side free even at the higher doses! Hopefully I will have as good of luck.

    How much past 6 weeks are you planning on going?
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    most likely only an extra week. Maybe a a few extra days beyond that if I still have caps left and body is cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    And 7 weeks of epi isn't really that wild. Maybe look in to some UDCA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    And 7 weeks of epi isn't really that wild. Maybe look in to some UDCA.
    grab aegis. thats what i just did.
    you'll only need one bottle. itl run you bout 40 bucks, but IMO its worth the xtra support, especially for longer 7-8 weekers
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastMode 1 View Post
    Im IN.
    Thanks for following along man!



    Quote Originally Posted by BeastMode 1 View Post
    grab aegis. thats what i just did.
    you'll only need one bottle. itl run you bout 40 bucks, but IMO its worth the xtra support, especially for longer 7-8 weekers
    Thanks, I'll have to look into that
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    Day 1


    Alright, today is day one! Obviously nothing to report yet. I am off from the gym today but will be back in tomorrow. My dosing schedule looks like this:

    8am - 15mg Epi and 3gr fish oil
    Noon - Cycle support, Joint support, multi-v
    4:30 - 15mg Epi and 3gr fish oil
    9pm - Cycle support and Joint support

    I am planning on sticking with that dosing schedule throughout the cycle. Once I up the dose to 45mg I will take 2 caps(30mg) with my 8am dose. That is also my preworkout dose as I usually start working out around 9 or 9:30.

    Also I picked up some taurine today to combat any possible back pumps.
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    Day 2


    Weighed in at 204 this morning. I want to get another bodyfat reading done soon too. I had it tested a couple weeks ago and it was at 14%, im guessing it is still right around that.

    Followed the same dosing schedule as yesterday.

    Still to early to make any comments yet.
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    how did you test it??
    bf scales and calipers are helpful. I use both.

    they arent totally accurate, but when you are bulking/cutting, they def are helpful in determining if your bf% is changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastMode 1 View Post
    how did you test it??
    bf scales and calipers are helpful. I use both.

    they arent totally accurate, but when you are bulking/cutting, they def are helpful in determining if your bf% is changing.
    My buddy is a trainer at my gym and he tests it for me using a 7-point caliper test. I know they aren't totally acurate but thats ok with me, I only use the numbers to help track progress. The way I look in the mirror is more important to me than the exact numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RJW719 View Post
    My buddy is a trainer at my gym and he tests it for me using a 7-point caliper test. I know they aren't totally acurate but thats ok with me, I only use the numbers to help track progress. The way I look in the mirror is more important to me than the exact numbers.
    Agreed^^^
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    Day 3


    My blood pressure before this cycle had been averaging 116/75. I checked my blood pressure tonight and to my surprise it was 110/63. I thought "that cant be" so I waited a few minuets and checked again and it was at 108/64. I was thinking how can my blood pressure have gone done since starting epi? I think I figured it out though, I quit using any type of stimulants about a week before the start of this cycle. I had been using Maximize V2 preworkout and I would drink a few cups of coffee every morning. So my guess is that the epi hasnt caused any increase at all and removing the stimulants has lowered my BP.

    Diet Macros:
    Total Cals: 2631
    Fat: 83g = 29%
    Cho: 180g = 28%
    Pro: 279g = 43%

    Kinda slipped on the diet today.
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    Day 4


    Had an awesome workout today. I know its pretty early to be seeing anything from the epi, so it might just be placebo but my endurance was great and I was able to squeeze out more reps than normal.

    No sides to mention.

    Libido is good, & my junk is still working great. The wife helped me to perform 2 tests today to ensure proper functioning



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    Good to hear things are going well so far. Just wait till week 3, then the fun will really begin.
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    How are you testing your BP? Is it one of those stands in a store or do you own your own BP machine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaDgErFaN View Post
    Good to hear things are going well so far. Just wait till week 3, then the fun will really begin.
    Thanks bro! Yea I can't wait!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaDgErFaN View Post
    How are you testing your BP? Is it one of those stands in a store or do you own your own BP machine?
    I have my own at home
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    Day 5


    Off from the gym today.

    Noticing a little bit of acne popping up on my face and got one on my shoulder.

    BP reading tonight was 115/63

    Muscles are feeling fuller and I am noticing a little more vascularity, especially across my front delts.

    I am back in the gym tomorrow and will weigh myself and see if there are any changes in weight.
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    Day 9


    Yesterday I upped the dose to 45mg/day and will be running it at that for the rest of this week. After this week I might up it again to 60mg for weeks 3-7.

    Weighed in today @ 207.5. Thats +3.5lbs from the start.

    I am noticing MUCH better endurance in the gym, and strength is already starting to go up. Another thing I am noticing is recovery is much better as well. Usually the day after working out if I flex the muscles hit in the previous workout they feel kinda sore, but the last few days I can flex the muscles hit the day before as hard as I can and they feel good and strong.

    My wife commented this morning that my "shoulders are looking more defined". My shoulders are definitely the one area that I can also tell are looking better already.

    Vascularity is increased all over, but the most in the front delt area.


    Haven't checked the BP in a few days but I will be doing that tonight.

    No sides to mention other than a few pimples. I have been taking 2gr of taurine before workouts as a preventative measure but not sure if I even really need it. Joints are feeling good. Not noticing any shedding either. So far I am feeling awesome on this cycle!
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    Good thing you already started the taurine!!! That will probably prevent pumps for sure and allow you to stay at a lower dose throughout. Also you may find that 60mg of epi shuts you down pretty hard. It did me for sure. That said, its nice to see you have a good pct laid out. Good luck and kill it! I loved epi!
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    what flavor cycle support is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by N.Woods Giant View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabz View Post
    Good thing you already started the taurine!!! That will probably prevent pumps for sure and allow you to stay at a lower dose throughout. Also you may find that 60mg of epi shuts you down pretty hard. It did me for sure. That said, its nice to see you have a good pct laid out. Good luck and kill it! I loved epi!
    Yea the taurine seems to be working as I have not yet had any back or calf pumps. Knock on wood. How long did you run epi at 60mg?



    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    what flavor cycle support is it?
    Its the orange flavor. I actually like the taste too. I know a lot of people say they dont like the flavor but I dont think its bad at all. I just dump a scoop straight into my mouth, take a sip of water, swish it around and swallow.
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